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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:26 PM Original message |
My prediction is that NO health bill will be passed and it will go the way of Clinton's plan. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. If so - those on DU who say the bill is worthless better not complain |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. agreed. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Damn right. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. so a bad bill that legally mandates all the things the OP said is worse than what is going on now? |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Yeah we should all STFU |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yup, and an entire year of a President's administration wasted. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. not completely- he bailed out wall st., didn't he...? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
68. Just half a year |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. I disagree, but we'll see. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. That might happen. Hope not. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. I can't see this. Obama has invested so much of this year on Health Care |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. except June, July, August, and September, when he |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. you don't know what he was doing. why pretend that you do? |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. yea, hoping we get something, but those insurance companies |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. You should also add... |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Unfortunately, I agree. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. Then we can start from scratch with single-payer ON THE TABLE. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. not with this congress, or this president. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. They've already done that. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Perhaps the score should be updated for this millenium. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Well that was a point I was trying to make. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Yes. Agreed. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. in 20 years, maybe |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. "CHANGE" is this administration's (supposed) hallmark |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. the Bill will pass, and it will effect change. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. My idea would accomplish health care reform. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. Every single time health care reform has been defeated, gotten a worst bill... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. Given what this "reform" has become, frankly that would be a good thing |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. +1 n/t |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. The next President who runs on HCR better have a plan in hand instead of handing the job off to |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. It has to be handed off to Congress, no matter who is in the WH. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. The JOB was handed off, not a HCR plan which many may have assumed he had worked out beforehand. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. He can set forth whatever he wants. But it must be legislated by Congress-- |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. ANd he DID specify |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Me too--about being pissed and apprehensive. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I am not sure of anything, BUT |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I am inclined to agree--as long there is SOME improvement or benefit |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. there won't be another. Obama is going to sign this Bill. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. We may have to go another route if our government fails us. |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
18. I'm afraid you are probably right. The bill has only gotten this far |
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DarthPortnoy (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
20. Not to worry, |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It seems like what the bill actually does has become irrelevant to Obama apologists. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
24. At least the repubs will be happy. They'll be able to take credit for it and blast ineffectual Dems, |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. I think we share the same crystal ball. nt |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. too bad it's filled with fecal matter |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Yes, I scary variation on the snow globe. nt |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. Or a very nasty magic 8-ball. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
28. my prediction is that when the Bill passes, you will find some other reason to bitch about it |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
33. MSNBC just reported that the POTUS has told Harry Reid |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. MSNBC is parroting a Politico report based on some 'Official' |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Much as I HATE the idea |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. oh I would like to see these insurance companies just suck it up |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. They have quite the racket going, don't they? They don't produce anything, they don't |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
34. President One Term Obama |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Until he takes the oath again on Jan. 20, 2013 |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
45. My prediction is that A health bill will be passed and ... |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Given the content of your message |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. No, it just means they will pass |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I understood what you meant |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The opposite, meaning that it will be a very, very good bill? |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Yep. Anything labeled "Health Care Reform" |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
48. I can't see it. Reid will cut a deal to get the votes. He is essential under orders to do just that. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Forget about Reid |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. right now something is better than nothing. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Agree |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Agreed. Reid understands as much as any Democrat in the Senate that we need A bill. |
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Ghost of Tom Joad (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
57. unfortunately |
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BakedAtAMileHigh (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
66. No No No It Is 3-Dimensional Chess, Right??? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. We got 'em right where we want 'em. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
67. It's looking very possible. Not most likely, not yet, but very possible. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
69. I don't see the House passing this tripe. n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
72. If ths bill passes, all that stuff will still happen, only faster n/t |
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