Rahm Emmanuel serves a very useful purpose

[Freddie Stubbs]

He serves a proxy in which DUers can attack President Obama without having to post nasty things about President Obama. Whenever the administration does something to get you panties in a bunch, it must be mean ole Rahm behind it.

President Obama would never to defend the previous administration's warrantless wiretaps. It must be Rahm.

President Obama would never use signing statements. It must be Rahm.

President Obama would never cut a deal with Joe Lieberman to scuttle the public option.

One thing to keep in mind is that Chief of Staffs usually last for about two years. Who will DUers blame when Rahm Emmanuel leaves?

[tekisui]

1. You are right. The buck stops with Obama. Rahm shouldn't be the fall

guy. he is not the President. He works for the President.

[Kingofalldems]

2. False statement--Many people here warned about Emmanuel

as soon as he was named. You don't seem to like DUers too much. Aren't you a big fan of Joe Lieberman?

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Was President Obama warned about Emmanuel?

Do you believe that he did not know what he was getting?

[tularetom]

3. Well, if that's his job he's very good at it

It's easy to blame all kinds of crap on him, because he's an extremely unlikeable son of a bitch.

And the fact that Obama thinks that Emanuel is actually helping him does not reflect well on Obama.

[lamp_shade]

4. Oh they'll probably continue to blame him for years to come. Count on it.

I happen to like and admire the guy.... a lot.

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. I don't think that he continue on after the midterm elections

Perhaps they will blame his successor.

[undeterred]

5. Obama chose Rahm and continues to choose him.

Rahm doesn't do anything Obama doesn't want him to do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Chiefs of Staff serve that purpose all the damn time

[flyarm]

7. so does Lieberman..Obama's chosen Mentor in the senate!

Remember Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate
By: fflambeau Monday December 14, 2009 10:05 pm

Those who are up in arms over Sen. Joe Lieberman’s "veto" of the extension of Medicare should remember this. When Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Washington, D.C. in 2005, he selected as his mentor none other than: Joe Lieberman.

Here’s David Sirota writing about this, after discussing Obama’s stab in the back of the progressive Lamont in Connecticut and his stab in the back of the progressive Christine Cegelis (Obama backed Duckworth) way back in 2006:

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18929

[SIMPLYB1980]

8. Primary wars!!!!

[flyarm]

9. don't play that bullshit of deflection..this concerns all Americans and our health care!

if you don't give a shit ..fine..but don't expect the rest of us not to give a shit or care about the lies and deceit going on!

what part of the "facts " and "truth" don't you like????????

Take it up with Rahm or Joe or Obama..

[SIMPLYB1980]

10. LOL!

:rofl:

[patrice]

13. 1++++++++++++++++++~

THANK YOU!!!

Let's call this bullshit out!

[chimpymustgo]

15. Thanks for the reminder - and perspective.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Are you suggesting that Lieberman is doing this at Obama's behest?

:shrug:

[flyarm]

20. that is for you to decide....with the facts of course.n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. The 'facts' you present seem to be similar to the ones trying to tie Bill Ayers to Obama

[Dr Fate]

25. Connecting Obama to a Senator he is negotiating with is akin to an Ayers connex?

Not hardly.

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. I was responding to a post which suggested that Leiberman was doing this at Obama's behest

That is a lot different than the two negotiating over legislation.

[Dr Fate]

38. And you responded with an intentionally false , or at best, an ignorant comparison.

You seem to be saying that anyone who thinks Obama & Joe are working together is the same as thinking that Obama & Ayers worked together.

Considering that Joe currently works with DEM leadership on HC and considering that Ayers has zero to do with anything,that was a dishonest or false statement on your part.

Hanging on semantics wont win the day for anyone this time.

Either Lieberman & the Blue Dogs are acting at Obama's behest, or Obama will be acting at the behest Lieberman & Blue Dogs. Same outcome either way.

Obama, Blue Dogs & Lieberman are indeed working together on HC- and no one is on the level of an Ayer's/Obama accuser for thinking so.

[laughingliberal]

26. I don't recall Obama hiring Bill Ayers to work on his campaign or in his administration

nor do I know of any case where anyone in his administration has gone to the Senate and asked them to co-operate with Bill Ayers. Fail.

[Dr Fate]

29. Blue Dogs often use dishonest arguments like these. After all, Blue Dogs are conservatives.

We all know what the conservative/centrist record is on being honest and getting things correct.

Just look over the past 10 years or so. Look at where Blue DOgs stood on Iraq, Afghanistan, Bush's tax cuts, Wall Street, etc, etc. Quite a dismal record in deed.

When they were not engaged in bald faced lying, they were still just flat out wrong.

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. The far left is quite adept at distorting facts

[Dr Fate]

36. If you think DEM leadership connex to Joe is the same as saying Ayers is conected to DEMS...

...then you are either lying on purpose in the typical Blue Dog conservative fashion, or just plain ignorant.

Feel free to tell us which one it is. Either way, you are incorrect.

Joe is Senator that negotiates with the Whitehouse. Ayers is the liberal boogie man that Blue Dogs & centrist DEMS used to trash Obama during the primaries, and that Republicans later used against him in the general.

You claim that "the left" is distorting facts about DEM leadership's relationship with Lieberman, yet you are the one who is caught distorting facts with odd-ball comparisons- either out of ignorance or dishonesty.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

42. Having read your posts over the years I have to say that

for anybody to consider you far left they'd have to be dumb as a fuckin' rock or a repuke....... oh wait. It's the same thing never mind. I mean if a moderate guy like you is the far left Bernie Sanders and Thomm Hartman must have Maoist shrines at home.

[Kingofalldems]

43. You noticed Bush/Lieberman's #1 pal on DU is at it again

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

45. Ahhhh Aaaahhhh adouche!!! Sorry I must be allergic to something. Maybe

the blue fur.

[Dr Fate]

39. I have no idea what you mean when you maintain that Liberals distort facts more than conservatives.

Please feel free to give us examples of you, as a Blue Dog DUer catching Liberal politicians distorting facts.

You know- the same way that us Liberals at DU always catch Blue Dog, DLC & "centrist" DEM politicians distorting facts.

Hmmm-maybe I can help you out:

Like when the far left said Bush & Blue Dogs were lying about WMDs, for instance?

Oh wait- it was the Blue Dogs & Bush who were distorting the facts that time. Liberlas were not the ones distorting the facts at all-it was Bush, Republicans & conservative DEMS who were putting forth all the fake information.

My bad!

Oh- I know- you mean like when the far left lied about the detrimental effects that the various Bush/Blue Dog plans of the past 10 years would have on the economy- oh wait-again, the conservatives were the ones with poor facts that time too. Liberals WERE telling the truth about how conservatives were wrong on economic issues.

I'll have to admit, I have no idea what you mean when you maintain that Liberals distort facts more than conservatives.

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. I responed to a post which suggested that Lieberman was opposing HCR at Obama's behest

I have yet to see any convincing evidence of such collusion.

[Dr Fate]

37. I'll bite. Show us where Obama said he is opposed to Joe's demands on HC.

Show us where the WH says they disagree with Lieberman's demands.

If you cant prove they oppose each other, then it's fair to assume that they agree more than not.

Are we really saying that Obama is going to pretend to agree with Joe, when he really does not? Sounds like a form of collusion to me.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

44. No...freshman senators are ASSIGNED a mentor and Obama was ASSIGNED to Lieberman

Lieberman campaigned against Obama. Why would he do that if they were so close?

[patrice]

11. WHICH, ultimately, gives the President HIS OWN options, which he has been playing rather

close to his chest, I'll admit, and could include RE, as though the President were playing chess with RE and poker with all of the pieces RE has on the table.

[OHdem10]

12. Perfect case: Good COP--Bad COP

[rudy23]

16. ObamaRahma.

You never saw Bradley Whitford do anything Martin Sheen didn't want him to do. Rahm isn't freelancing either.

[laughingliberal]

28. ObamaRahma! Perfect! nt

[blindpig]

18. Your right, it is Obama

He hired him, accountability starts at the top. Doesn't matter, it all still sucks.

[AllentownJake]

21. I think plenty of people point out who works for who in Rahm bashing threads

It generally are people making the step from cheerleader to realist that start blaming Rahm, eventually it dawns on them who works for who.

[flyarm]

23. absolutely!!!!!! eom

[LaPera]

22. When Rahm Emmanuel leaves, we'll "blame" the next DLC CoS - it all leads to Obama anyway.

[Dr Fate]

27. I get your point- Blue Dogs, the DLC and conservative DEMS are screwing everything up.

We already knew all that, but good to see you indicate it as fact.

Rahm, Lieberman, Obama, Blue Dogs- you have a point-they all share blame.

[laughingliberal]

30. He serves at the pleasure of the President. I'm sure he'd be out of a job if he were not carrying

out the wishes of the President.

[change_notfinetuning]

31. Yes, I use the A-hole-In-Chief to try to wake people up, and admit this

administration's shortcomings, make that major fuck-ups, without having to throw down their Obamapoms and say goodbye to their dream.

And although he does serve that purpose, I still believe that Rahm Emanuel is the cancer in the Obama administration which will cause a fatality if not removed.

[defendandprotect]

35. Obama is to blame for eloping into the White House with the DLC . . . and

a variety of corporatists --

However, DLC Rahm has plenty to account for on his own --

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

40. The

strikes again.
















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[backscatter712]

41. He's Obama's bad cop alright. n/t