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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:17 PM
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Octopus (Octopi?) think and create - really

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091215/ap_on_sc/as_australia_coconut_octopus


Aussie scientists find coconut-carrying octopus


Australian scientists have discovered an octopus in Indonesia that collects coconut shells for shelter — unusually sophisticated behavior that the researchers believe is the first evidence of tool use in an invertebrate animal.

The scientists filmed the veined octopus, Amphioctopus marginatus, selecting halved coconut shells from the sea floor, emptying them out, carrying them under their bodies up to 65 feet (20 meters), and assembling two shells together to make a spherical hiding spot.

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"I was gobsmacked," said Finn, a research biologist at the museum who specializes in cephalopods. "I mean, I've seen a lot of octopuses hiding in shells, but I've never seen one that grabs it up and jogs across the sea floor. I was trying hard not to laugh."

Octopuses often use foreign objects as shelter. But the scientists found the veined octopus going a step further by preparing the shells, carrying them long distances and reassembling them as shelter elsewhere.

That's an example of tool use, which has never been recorded in invertebrates before, Finn said.

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"It's another example where we can think about how similar humans are to the rest of the world," Robson said. "We are just a continuum of the entire planet."
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there is a pic of an assembled and occupied coconut home but I couldn't get it to copy



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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:18 PM
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1. They probably realize they cannot depend on us to keep them safe.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:21 PM
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3. I love octopus stew
A childhood comfort food.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:19 PM
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2. "Octopuses" or if you're really geeky "octopodes."
And yeah, neat, huh?

Tucker
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:28 PM
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5. thanks for proper spelling and yes they are really neat beings
nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:28 PM
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4. Nothing new here. Here's a video of an octopus opening a
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 12:28 PM by MineralMan
mason-type jar with a screw lid to get at a shrimp inside. Octopi are smart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocWF6d0nelY
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:09 PM
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11. Yup. This may be a new expresssion of tool use, but it is hardly the
first example of it. They can open jars, open cages, manipulate all kinds of things which are not natural - i.e., instinctual - to them.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:33 PM
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12. I think there was a cousteau film of an octopus opening a
jar many years ago. That's where I first saw it. There are several on YouTube with people's aquarium octopus repeating the trick.

We used to catch them in tide pools in California, handle them for a while and release them. They were always interesting, and usually allowed handling without much distress.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:04 PM
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22. i find them in 3 -4 feet of water off 7 mile beach
in Cayman. The adults will chase around and show off their camo powers, changing color AND texture. the babies will let you handle them. the tiny suckers are pretty sucky, btw -- did you find it surprising how much grabbing power they have?

once you meet one, you'll never eat one.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:35 PM
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6. If the octupus had chosen a ripe coconut, he could have had
an occasional snack by taking a bite out of the wall.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:56 PM
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7. What the heck is Gobsmacked? Is it messy, loud, noisy, confusing WHAT?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:00 PM
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8. Astounded.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:06 PM
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10. Your gob is your mouth.
Irish derivation?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:01 PM
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9. I, for one, welcome our octopi overlords.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:00 PM
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16. Damn it. beat me to it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:00 PM
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17. dup
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 02:00 PM by jgraz
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:00 PM
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18. trip
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 02:01 PM by jgraz
I FAIL at using Teh Internets. :dunce:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:28 PM
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20. You iz not az smart as teh octopusses
:P
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:49 PM
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13. The picture
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:13 PM
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19. Dang! :-)
Cool story.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:57 PM
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14. OMG cute!!!

K&R :D
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:59 PM
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15. sigh
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 02:00 PM by jgraz
Not fast enough
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 02:30 PM
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21. "I'd Like To Be, Under The Sea..."
n/t
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:08 PM
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23. kick for the night shift
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:17 PM
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24. smart octopus
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 09:03 PM
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25. octopodai is the word you are looking for
finally i can use a bit of knowledge i have been nurturing for years. Now i have to get rid of hippopotomai.
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