*101 reasons why men cheat /By Mark Morford/

[madokie]

*101 reasons why men cheat
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(Tiger Woods Edition). The timeless question comes round again. Can you answer?
/By Mark Morford/

/ *NOTE: Many of these also apply to women who cheat. So don't kid yourself,
sister. /

[elleng]

1. To spread their genes around;

Its natural.

[seabeyond]

3. and the women that equally screw around is cause they are ___? lets have all the cutsey

why a WOMAN just has to screw around....

[madokie]

4. Thats next weeks column

I'm sure

[seabeyond]

5. better to pretend women dont. then it remains men just gotta, cant help it, spread the seed

and not merely a character flaw.

[JonQ]

12. So if it's a character flaw when men cheat

would it likewise be a character flaw when women cheat?

[seabeyond]

15. huge "duh" there jonq. nt

[JonQ]

18. Not really

the extremely sexist faux feminists on here (to be distinguished from letimiate feminists) tend to attribute any failing on a mans part to him being awful and any failing on a womans part to well men being awful.

[seabeyond]

19. i havent seen that; instead of baseless accusations without proof for groups.... please

provide links.

[Hello_Kitty]

49. Ah, the convenient Strawfeminist

The one who exists in the minds of certain guys on DU, to be trotted out whenever they need her to make a point about their nonexistent victimhood at her hands.

[BoneDaddy]

148. yeah right

look in the mirror and reread your own comments.

[Hello_Kitty]

24. Oh but the great double standard only punishes women for it.

We're dirty whores if we cheat but when men do it they are victims of their manly urges and scheming women.

[seabeyond]

28. wait now... not necessarily true. havent you heard the excuse, ....

if the man had taken care of her, met her needs, she needs emotional connection, her hubby just wont talk to her

so it is like a poster and i concluded, dont perceptions from society just depending who they want to accuse. there is truth in that

i saw it as women are just bitches. but was pointed out, sometimes society gives the woman the out. same with me, some see men as asses. and some think.... men just gotta, cant ask more out of them than who they are.

[Hello_Kitty]

37. I have heard that and I think it's more of a modern development

I agree that it's bullshit. If your husband isn't "meeting your needs" either work on the marriage, get out of it, or agree to have an open relationship. But the age-old double standard where all men are permitted multiple partners and "good" women are expected to be monogamous is still the rule in most of the world. And evo-psych crap takes the place of religion to enforce it for the supposedly "enlightened" liberal doods.

[seabeyond]

40. hey, per a thread, we even have a state or two with that LAW on record

wife fined/jailed for affair.

no mention of a man.

i hear ya

[Hello_Kitty]

41. Judges and juries have been known to go light on men who murder cheating wives

Even when it's clear the murder was premeditated. But when a woman lashes out violently at an unfaithful mate, she's just a crazy bitch.

[dustbunnie]

31. Tiger Woods isn't being treated like a victim.

If you want to know who keeps perpetuating that myth, go look up an Elizabeth Edwards thread.

You'll find many women proposing this very concept.

[JonQ]

74. I've never seen that

you are making things up.

Men who cheat are generally ridiculed on here.

[Scout]

57. ohmigod! he didn't say "some men" ... you mean ALL men cheat?

and you aren't calling out Mark Morford on this horrible accusation against all those fine upstanding men that don't cheat??

:rofl:

i guess you only pick on girls when they do that, eh big boy?

[JonQ]

75. Notice how I didn't say

men are cheaters, or anything like that.

I said when they do, referencing a smaller population of the intersect between A) men, and B) those who cheat.

You really should try to keep up, I can't reteach you everything your english teachers throughout the years failed to teach you.

[Scout]

87. you fail again at comprehending....

Mark Morford, the author of the article in the OP, you know, the one under discussion, did not use any qualifiers in his article headline:

"101 reasons why men cheat"

yet i didn't see YOU take HIM to task for doing the exact same thing you bitch about women posters doing here on DU.

so i guess in your little world if MEN say bad things about MEN, it's OK.

note the headline and the content of my post 57 ... where i refer directly to Mark Morford
ohmigod! he didn't say "some men" ... you mean ALL men cheat?

and you aren't calling out Mark Morford on this horrible accusation against all those fine upstanding men that don't cheat??

silly boy :rofl:

[JonQ]

133. Wel lif Mark Morford were on this board

and able to respond then yeah, you'd have a valid comparison.

Sorry, but you are kind of coming off as an idiot here, I don't know if you realize that but you may want to rethink your approach lest others find that out about you.

[comtec]

6. You and your LOGIC....

This is DU, Logic, and balanced thought has NO PLACE here when it comes to this.
Men are ALWAYS the inferior sex, and women can do no wrong!
(This is SO not directed at you SeaBeyond)
Unless it comes to a woman doing something in favor of a man, THEN she's a pariah.

Sorry.. I know.. bitter, party of one!

Women just get tired of their men, who are incapable of pleasing them properly is all.
After all the woman must ALWAYS be pleased, or she has carte blanche to move on.

Where men are just scum.

Isn't that how it goes in the Feminist Forums anyway?

[seabeyond]

7. wink.... you are probably right and isn't it interesting. i am thinking

(i REALLY find it interesting)

i am thinking men cant help it argument is to pump the male ego and make them not culpable. you see it as men being singled out as asses.

women that cheat
i see it as and women cheat cause they are bitches. (no excuses for them)

you see it as man again fails; not taking care of the little lady

you know what

we are both right, as far as societies perception

but ultimately the truth is

lack of character. for either gender. the ability and willingness to hurt another. not admirable for either gender.

[comtec]

9. yup completely agree

in the end it's a failure of that person, regardless of gender.

[tekisui]

144. Diversity of genetic contributions to her potential offspring?

[Berry Cool]

10. Time for you to burn your evo psych textbook.

We are not just a bunch of Neanderthals. Men like to use it as an excuse, though.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. "We are not just a bunch of Neanderthals."

So, unlike all the other animals out there, we're not the products of our evolution?

[JonQ]

16. Yep

All other animals evolved, and you can see evidence of that in their genotypes/phenotypes and behavior today.

But people were created directly from god (well man was, woman came from adams rib) so we have no traces of prior evolution in our genes or behaviors because it simply didn't happen.

[Hello_Kitty]

35. And that, of course, totally absolves men who act like assholes.

Funny, I thought the whole point of civilization was for people to learn to control their natural urges.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. Unless civilization is just an extension of natural instincts.

Humans are social animals. They form groups that largely interact with each other. They typically form long-term heterosexual monogamous relationships, while occasionally cheating, like many other social animals do. Can we apply evolutionary psychology to chimps or geese or elephant seals or penguins? Or is that just making excuses for asshole animals?

[Hello_Kitty]

79. When sheep or geese develop higher brain functions on a par with ours

I'll call them assholes when they act like assholes too. Until then, you are capable of controlling your behavior. I'm sure you control it quite well when there are consequences (i.e. from authority figures) for not controlling it. This bullcrap "my DNA made me do it!" canard from men to justify acting like jerks is getting really tired.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

85. Who said anything about justification?

This is about explanation.

[Hello_Kitty]

88. There's often a fine and permeable line between explaining and excusing

Particularly where male sexual behavior is concerned. "The poor widdle menz can't help themselves!" But women are expected to be fully responsible for our own behavior and that of every man in our presence.

[seabeyond]

90. except they found a fossil predating all this bullshit that contradicts all the guys claim

and they conveniently ignore that

[JonQ]

146. Not really

you're trying to apply the behavior of an animal that we don't really understand that may be a distant relative from over 3 million years ago to current H. sapiens.

Doesn't work.

I would say behavior trends from a few hundred thousand years ago are more relevant. You can't disprove current evolution by pointing out past evolutionary trends that were different.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

91. No there isn't.

Your moral objections to infidelity are also explanable via evolutionary psychology, but I'm not excusing that, just explaining it.

[Hello_Kitty]

92. Huh?

I've never been married and I don't really care much about the issue. My commentary on this thread is about evo-psych horsepucky being trotted out to explain, justify, excuse, defend, whatever male privilege and assholery.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

93. You don't have a logical reason to care about the issue, yet you clearly do.

Otherwise you wouldn't be calling those who cheat "assholes" or freak out that people have a logical explanation that fits the sociological behaviour.

Humans, like I said, are social animals. Societies have rules, whether they make sense or not. People get upset when those rules are broken, regardless of whether it actually effects them, because that keeps the society cohesive.

[JonQ]

142. HFPS makes an interesting point

why do you care? I could understand if you were being cheated on being pissed at those involved.

But how does this affect you, why should you mind?

Is it because you believe there is a certain standard that others within society should adhere to, a basic sense of right/wrong? If so, where do you suppose that belief comes from?

[Chan790]

130. Well...that's a strawman if I ever saw one.

I can honestly say that looking at the people around me, my close friends and the such to-the-last views on monogamy are gender-neutral. It's not "men cheat" but "people cheat" and "people are expected to be fully responsible for our own behavior and that of every person in our presence."

I'm upfront. I don't believe in monogamy. I don't think it's natural, it's a societal invention that was useful once but now is more-or-less completely vestigial in light of effective birth control. People are happiest with a variety of genitals and partners...variety is after-all the spice of life. I don't care who my girlfriend sleeps with as long as it's safe, sane, and consentual...I know that ultimately she's coming home to me to have a crappy dinner in front of the TV and watch House. (Obviously I place a much higher value on emotional fidelity than other aspects of our relationship.)

What I don't get is why the rest of you get so hung up on f*cking? It's fun but it's really not that interesting...do y'all feel left out when your partner does fun things without you, is that it? I mean that, at least, seems valid. I get pissy when she goes to the Hirshhorn without me.


edit: that was a bit snippy of me.

[JonQ]

76. Who said anything about absolving?

Understanding =! excusing.

For instance, if someone tried to figure out the root causes of terrorism, would you say they are condoning terrorism?

Or trying to understand what causes certain people to become childmolestors means that you support them in their endeavors?

One can seek to understand the roots of human behavior, but still encourage people to act better than that.

[Hello_Kitty]

26. And evo-psych is still a load of junk science horsehockey. eom

[JonQ]

77. So in your opinion

our evolutionary history has no impact on how we act or think today?

We live in groups, socialize and communicate because we want to, not because it was ever an advantage in our history to do so?

Sure.

[JonQ]

134. Unless it shows something you want to hear

then it's the absolute truth.

[cemaphonic]

32. well, we didn't evolve from Neanderthals at least

Although there is a school of thought that there was some interbreeding between early humans and Neanderthals. In general, they are not our ancestors.

[JonQ]

14. Unfortunately this is one

of several areas where science and historical fact are not allowed.

When a man cheats its because all men are disgusting animals, when a woman does it that's because her husband is a disgusting animal and she is trying to liberate herself from his cruel patriarchy.

[proteus_lives]

29. Horseshit.

[Scout]

59. bullshit.

then why aren't they all having children with all their mistresses?

if they really want to spread their seed around, it doesn't do them any good unless there is OFFSPRING...

otherwise they're just spewing and WASTING their seed.




edit: typo

[seabeyond]

61. that damn condom keeps getting in the way. drats.... didnt think it thru. nt

[Lilith Velkor]

68. LOL n/t

[JonQ]

83. A behavior

may have an entirely valid evolutionary history, but due to technology no longer functions for it's original purpose.

Why are tall males (across cultures and throughout history) seen as better leaders and more attractive? Sure that made sense when the leaders job was to scare off other males and provide physical protection. Now it is irrelevant. But we still elect presidents that are generally significantly taller than average for the population.

Obviously this makes no sense anymore, as height or physical size in general has no bearing on leadership, but that is an ingrained behavior (and it isn't just the US, we just have the clearest records).

[seabeyond]

94. what about arti that was 2.5 million yrs before this bullshit you are spouting that suggests

same size, mated and ate veggies not meat.

that would suggest that all of the evo behavior stuff is debunked. and i know you have seen it. people have posted to you as you continually recite this stuff. yet you ignore. what about that science.

[Thothmes]

101. Ardipithecus was not human.

[JonQ]

132. So a fossil fragment of a distant relative from 2.5 million years ago

trumps actual evidence from more recent times, collected from actual humans?

Hey, what about insects where the female is larger and eats the male after sex, what does that prove about our evolution?

Stick to righteous female outrage, science clearly isn't your shtick.

[elleng]

2. dupe

[dustbunnie]

8. Lol, funny. He hit on pretty much all stereotypes. :-)

[Name removed]

11. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[krabigirl]

17. Men and women cheat. Always have, always will. No point in analyzing why.

[dustbunnie]

20. I believe that was the basic gist of the article.

:)

[wuushew]

21. Tiger's poor choices hurt others and himself

[seabeyond]

22. ya. bottom line. nt

[Romulox]

34. I don't feel sorry for anybody in that picture.

:shrug:

[comtec]

137. The kids did nothing to diserve this

I pity them the most.
Having divorced parents I know the hell those kids will go through, even if everything is perfect.
And it won't be.
She strikes me as the vindictive sort, who will teach her kids to hate daddy with the heat of 1000 white hot pointy suns.

Sad thing is it's proof there was probably no real love in that marriage (on either side), only physical attraction and gold digging.

Oh well, reap what you sow I suppose.

it's always the adults that make the kids' lives miserable.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. i love number 63

[Lilith Velkor]

69. #37 FTW n/t

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Hello_Kitty]

30. Right, because men never get emotionally involved with women.

Women are just the useless bags of meat surrounding the good bits. Not actual people that you'd want get to know or spend time with. :eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. Come on, can't anyone have a bit of sophomoric humor here without a sermon following?

[seabeyond]

36. you mean sexist humor. you know, woman just parts. ha ha. liten up

now, lets denigrate then laugh at blacks and gays.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

42. It's amazing that nobody interpreted that as "Ha ha men are really pigs ain't they?"

Which was the intended meaning all along.

But I guess felling outraged is more desirable.

Whatfuckingever. :shrug:

[seabeyond]

43. no. your conclusion is wrong. i dont think men are really pigs. and i dont like to buy into that

conditioning that men are really pigs. i think so much more of men than that and know too many that are not pigs. i wouldn't label them that for anything in the world. and i do know a few pigs. i like them, but i dont have a whole lot of respect for them.

but it is something a lot of people today like to embrace and so more and more men are being conditioned to believe this is who they are

i think that is detrimental to all of society, both genders.

[dustbunnie]

45. Here we go with the "today the world is evil' speech. :-D

I was waiting for it. Because it was so much BETTER in the past. Men NEVER felt like they owned the privilege of cheating on spouses EVER until 10 years ago. :rofl:

You older pearl clutchers slay me.

[seabeyond]

48. stalker mentality bunny. but you got your jabs in at females as usual.

we are after all, merely tits and asses to men, .... in your book. thanks for your continued and consistent enlightment.

so i guess you prefer i conclude all men are pigs and i can let go of my pearls. that is all it takes. good to know.

[dustbunnie]

51. Hahaha... do you even listen to yourself write?

Upthread you post how there are old laws on the books that penalize women for cheating but not men. Then down here you post how it's a new thing, and obviously my generation is worth flushing down the toilet because of all our 'BAD' conditioning. Yeah, I think I'll stick up for my generation when we're basically being insulted by an older someone who sits at home all day and has no clue.

It's perfectly obvious you didn't read the article... again. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to preach once again because the article basically articulates that there are no real excuses for cheating. Only it's done in a much more charming, less judgmental and overly repetitious way.

[seabeyond]

55. where did i say anything about flushing anyone down a toilet. oh, i didnt

you make things up in your post as position i have, how i think, and who i am. lazy lazy way to argue. and dishonest. and in my book stupid cause about always makes a person wrong

you are the one promoting men see women as body parts. you. of your generation, on this board today. hey, ... isnt that YOU buying into the conditioning, you, part of your generation.

do

do listen to yourself

women are things to be used by men, and then you giggle.

[dustbunnie]

62. Another incomprehensible, fallacious post from you.

My first post agreed with the article, stating that there are no excuses for cheating. So don't bother with trying to make me feel like I'm a gender traitor. That crap doesn't work on me.

The rest of my posts were mostly just for amusement, waiting for your inevitable post about how "today's conditioning" is the ruination of the world blah blah blah. You didn't disappoint, just like you never do. Every single gender related thread is another opportunity for you to criticize, belittle and blame my generation. It borders on the ludicrous.

[seabeyond]

64. yada yada yada. retract and retract. excuse and validate argument as you shift from

here to there.

whatever

[dustbunnie]

65. Lol... that would be you, not me. My one point is consistent. n/t

[seabeyond]

67. My one point is consistent.... that women are body parts to be used by men

yes i know

you are very consistent on that point. we hear it often and always from you.

[dustbunnie]

70. Pathetic. You seem to have now officially regressed back to the age of 15.

Good for you. And since you've proven once again that you can't let a gender related thread go by without complaining about the sexualized, brainless conditioned "yutes," I can be on my way with a laugh. I'm sure tomorrow there'll be another chance for you to tsk tsk, clutch, clutch, at the terrible young people and our hedonistic ways.

[seabeyond]

81. having a hissy cause i wont say all men are pigs and i dont see it as complimentary

calling all men pigs

and i am acting 15

[dustbunnie]

82. Who's asking you to call all men pigs? And when did I ever do so?

This is just your childish deflecting tactic you pull out every time someone respond with halfway intelligence to your hysterical "the yutes are conditioned to be hedonists" posts.

I'd say nice try, but I think I'll stick with pathetic.

[seabeyond]

95. it isnt like it wasnt my generation that stepped over the line from sexual repression to sexual free

freedom

we arent willing to once again empower the male with evolution behavior theory that is crap in order for their male ego to feel good and submit

we recognize that females are doing the same as the males are doing. one night stands, cheating, ect.... and that we dont need to give male "they gotta" while we females pretend we arent doing it too. (and you talk about me being a pearl clutcher)

this males gotta spread their seed falls right along in the line of the religious fevor. yet any one of you would be up in arms with the males bullshit in the bible as you allow it to be used as the evo behavior "cult/religion"

and we absolutely know we are more than tits and ass, something you seem to not get.

oh ya

i am impressed with your generation

problem is, you are shittin all over my sons generation and i want much more for him than you want for yourself.

[dustbunnie]

97. Well, that bitter, angry post just about says it all doesn't it. As I suspected.

A middle-aged hausfrau who sits at home all day long searching for gender-related threads on a message board to spew hate on younger generations.

And how brilliant is it to take the comments of a handful of people on a message board and extrapolate that to make the sweeping, insulting pronouncements you do about an entire generation? Not very. It's utterly stupid and illogical.

You may not be impressed with my generation but I am. I see what they accomplish every single day, in business, the arts... in their personal lives, for the environment... the list goes on. There are more women getting degrees than ever before. Most of what I enjoy was forbidden to me in the 60s. Was there a backlash against Andrea Dworkin, et al. Yes, thank Goddess. But you keep on talking about how free and amazing life was back then for women. Maybe some idiot with no knowledge of history will buy that garbage.

And how fucking presumptuous is it for you to sit on a message board and tell other women you don't approve of what they want for themselves. It suits your persona perfectly.

[seabeyond]

98. without even reading any of your other shit. no bitter. not even a little anger

but there you are again.... misinterpreting for your gain.

[seabeyond]

99. lol lol, then on to the body of your post and there you are

using insult like some "mean girl" mentality attacking my female worth with your first sentence. oh ya. another cutsey little fuckin game. grow up. this is exactly the approach the sexist male uses on female if they dare to say shit to them

you never talk about the outstanding of who the female is. the only thing you do on your posts are reinforce this male dominance crap

[dustbunnie]

100. Mean girl is your persona. Not mine. I don't tag team with other women against people as you do.

It's not your worth I'm attacking. I'm suggesting if the only thing you're doing at the moment is sit at home on a message board and rail against the comments of men and the supposed non-achievements of generations younger than yours, maybe you should think about looking in the mirror, or finding something more fulfilling. Just an observation from a brain-dead, overly sexualized female yute.

[seabeyond]

102. and this is just catty. lordy

i didnt even do catty when i was in high school

[dustbunnie]

103. You do it every day. It's never surprising how those with the most opinions about others...

are always the ones who never see themselves.

And now I'm out for the evening. Later I'll probably have some really steamy sex where I totally objectify my sig other. He'll probably objectify me too. It should be loads of fun. Toodles.

[seabeyond]

104. lol, good for you. enjoy. nt

[seabeyond]

105. you have yet to discuss what the issues are in my posts. the best i get from you

is insult, and making argument that i am not even having.

are you telling me this is the best of the best, of your generation

surely if you are all that, you could actually calmly discuss them. instead of ignoring what i am saying, calling me names, trying to degrade me and arguing a totally non relevent topic like you having sex, or anyone else for that matter.

[dustbunnie]

111. (Facepalm)...

There are no issues. Just my laughing at the inevitable, expected posts from you belittling and demonizing my generation. Cheating was a much bigger problem 60 years ago, but hey, why let facts stand in the way when your only goal is to slam the younger generation you fear and loathe so much... endlessly, all day long.

I wasn't making a comment about sex. It was a semi-sarcastic observation about objectification, the other BAD thing my entire generation is guilty of apparently and which seems to be a non-stop issue for you. What I get is that your generation ran naked in the woods playing celtic love tunes your recorders as a prelude to wholesome, emotionally satisfying, consciousness-raising sex (even though half the women couldn't find their clitoris until the 70s), while all of mine has denigrating, back-alley hooker sex in torn black fishnets. That's what I've learned on DU from the United Middle-Aged Pearl Clutcher Association of America.

[seabeyond]

131. you have not one correct statement in your post. you did not draw one correct

conclusion.

tell me how smart you are. how perceptive you are.

are you one of those posters where your intent is to attack, with whatever, regardless of how outrageous and false it is? because if so, i will ignore your posts as i do so often and i do on a few other posters.

sometimes i see some good posts of yours i would like to respond to. but if this is all you have, let me know. i wont bother.

everything you said missed the boat.

does that mean anything to you?

those are questions asked bunny, so i can better understand. instead of me telling you who or what you are. what your motive is. what you intent is. i ask. because i dont know. and i know how stupid i would be to assume i could come to the correct conclusions.

[dustbunnie]

135. Actually every one of my statements is correct. It's documented in this sub-thread.

You've openly disdained my generation, as you do in pretty much every thread. And here's your original post I responded to:

but it is something a lot of people today like to embrace and so more and more men are being conditioned to believe this is who they are

This is absolute baloney, bull feces. The concept of men being "piggier" than women has been around since Adam first pulled Eve under the covers and gave her a Dutch Oven. If anything, the attitudes about such things are more relaxed today than they ever have been. It's false statements like this that prove what a hard on you have for young people.

And don't you think that people who read comments like this over and over are eventually going to feel attacked? That you'll have no credibility when it comes to this balance and fairness you supposedly espouse?

[seabeyond]

136. this is disdain? you prefer to suggest that men are biologically pigs

instead of saying they are taught to be pigs thru culture and society. and i have disdain?

men biologically dominate women and women biologically are submissive. or, it is taught by culture and society. well hm, lets see. forever culture insisted women be submissive and it was a known fact. who were we to say otherwise. and we lived it a very long time. until we didnt anymore.

did we all of a sudden evolve beyond our biological self and become independent and able to take care of self?

of course not

as a culture we said no, and men and women shifted what they believed and no longer allowed society to tell them how they were suppose to behave, think, be.

conditioning.

you say this is disdain. there is no disdain in this post. i suggest i am being more respectful to both genders than you

as far as your harping on your generation? i am speaking of people as a whole. when i talk the last decade i am talking about behaviors and conditioning from our society to ALL people. no particular generation and no particular gender, but to all of us

i dont know how old you are. i dont know where you fit in youth generation. i dont know if you are 18, 25, or mid thirties. and i dont make assumptions

[dustbunnie]

138. The disdain comes in when you project every single fucking cultural negative

onto the younger generations. The fact is, it's far more prevalent for women to call men "pigs" when the culture represses women. There is no real reason for my generation to call all men "pigs" when we have the social freedom to be piggy ourselves. Look to 80s feminist literature if you want to read some amazing rantings about how all men are pigs and leave my generation out of it.

Because if you really are addressing ALL people, of no particular gender then you wouldn't need to preface every single pearl clutching musing with "people today" or "our youth" now would you?

And finally, you could use a bit of education when it comes to gender issues and relations yourself. Here's a starter for you:

There's a big difference in saying Tiger Woods is a pig for screwing 15 women outside of his marriage, especially while his wife was pregnant, and saying all men are pigs.

There's a big difference in saying, Tiger Woods screwed these women because he liked their tits and asses, and saying all those women are good for are their tits and asses.

Capiche?

[seabeyond]

139. you are so off topic, off point, off my post.... making up arguments that arent there

i didnt bring up pigs.

real thumbs up to become equally unattractive. men are pigs so we will just be too. oh joy

today means climate of today as opposed to yesterday

having kids i do talk about youths

fuck your pearl cluthing bullshit, stupid

who gives a shit about tiger, dont think i have ever mentioned him. dont care about him.

you do not know shit about why tiger does or does not do something

and you said, .... yes, that is what the men are after ... tits ass and vagina, but back away from it why dont you

oh no, wait, we women can be just as bad as the men.... hoo yah. i feel much better. men really want nothing more than tits, ass and vagina (giggle, giggle)

how old are you? gonna keep putting yourself in this 'youth generation" what is you age. matters.

[dustbunnie]

140. You posted on a thread about men cheating.

The OP is about Tiger. You posted about how offended you are that men are called pigs and how this concept is a function of "today's people and our conditioning." (Which it isn't. It's a concept as old as Methuselah.) You berated someone for making a joke about Tiger screwing 15 women because he liked their tits and asses (totaling misconstruing his/her post into something sexist) and then also accused me of said sexism for agreeing with that poster.

Then you accused me of trying to force you into articulating that all men are pigs and that I claimed women are to be used for their body parts. (Which I of course never did. I know the difference between men and women wanting to screw others because they like their body parts and the denigration of people because of their bodyparts). I'd say I'm totally on topic. And if those posts of yours on this thread aren't hysterical pearl clutching, then I don't know what is.

I'm in my twenties.

[seabeyond]

141. i posted to a poster stating males cant help it, spreadin their seed and all. we are allowed

whether you see fit or not, to address a specific poster, regardless if you feel it MUST be a mandate on the op.

21, or 29. makes a difference. and again, i am NOT going to fuckin assume cause that always makes me stupid. how is it working for you

[dustbunnie]

143. That's not the post I'm referring to.

I'm referring to the later ones when you started to get all steamy upset. Look at your responses to Commie Pinko Dirtbag and even the way you responded to me later in this sub-thread, accusing me of being sexist.

It's not mandated that people must stick to the OP, but all I can see in this thread is you berating people who actually WERE discussing it, preferring to bulldoze your favorite gender issues into the convo.

And finally, I'd say you do assume an awful lot. You assume everyone is supposed to have your sensibilities and values, even if they DON'T happen to be middle-aged, are not interested in settling down, and want to screw their brains out before they hit thirty. Maybe even be complete pigs about it too.

[seabeyond]

145. pinko said it was sophmoric. i disagreed and said it was sexist. THAT is your beef?

that i dare to say it is sexist and not sophmoric. then YOU tell me i am saying i want everyone to think like me, from that.

no, that is you again projecting what my motive is

in reality, it was a statement, me disagreeing with pinko. again, that is what a DISCUSSION board is about.

you are once again, and wrongly, assuming what my motives are. youa re not asking me what my motive is.

you call it berating, i call it differing opinion or discussing. but good of you to tell me my intent, again

big fuckin deal people are talking op and i am talking to specific posters. girl.... that is acceptable. allowed. part of the discussion board experience.

and again.... you are projecting another incorrect assumption about me giving a shit if a person is a pig or not settling down.

you continue give me motives and intents that arent there.

ask

ask me if i think people shouldnt play before marriage. simply ask. instead of deciding you know what i think..... cause you are ALWAYS FUCKIN WRONG, ask

[dustbunnie]

149. No not from that. Lol, do you have issues with attention span.

Go back to my first post. I was laughing because as I said, it's hilarious how every thread related to gender issues ends up with the inevitable post from you about "today's conditioning," and "our youth" and how fucked up my generation is. It's like old faithful.

You claim the privilege of sounding off at people who don't share your social conservatism, so you should expect that people are going to respond to your bullshit posts as well. Like saying that labelling men pigs is "new" and of "today's conditioning." That is, truly, bullshit. The truth is the exact opposite.

Your motives are quite clear. You want everyone in a cozy monogamous relationship, no one should ever make an off color remark regarding sexuality because those jokes are just not funny dammit. And of course, we can't ever compare ourselves to the animal world either, even though we are one with it. That would be sexist.

[seabeyond]

152. again, you are wrong. but that just doesnt matter to you. it isnt about

being accurate.

god... repugs frustrate the shit out of me with the same tactics

we should get out of iraq

why do you want terrorist to murder our children in their beds?

wtf

[dustbunnie]

153. Like I said. If you want to argue with people about their choice of words -

or the contents of their posts, then I guess you'll just have to deal with it when people call out your choice of words or the nonsense of your posts. It's really simple.

[seabeyond]

154. then there is you, arguing what i dont say.

it is chicken shit.

dishonest at the least

[Hello_Kitty]

50. I would think men would be offended by the stereotype that they are pigs.

Yet a lot of you seem to revel in it. I guess one could learn to be comfortable with the self-perception that he is a stupid grunting animal who can't control his urges so long as he can still think of himself as superior to the useless bag of meat surrounding the tits, ass, and pussy.

[wuushew]

58. Many of us are offended

but the chauvinists/misogynists are very vocal on these threads.

[seabeyond]

60. ah. thank you. good to know

that i dont have to say ALL men are pigs. oooosh. i was under so much pressure and strain thinking to let go of those pearls i was going to have to call the men and boys i know, .... pigs. lol

[JonQ]

147. So why do you keep promoting such a stereotype?

Seems inappropriate.

[Hello_Kitty]

38. Just because you were trying to be humorous doesn't mean you succeeded. eom

[dustbunnie]

44. No you can't. Not here. Although what you said was perfectly true, and not really sophomoric..

T&A is exactly why Tiger Woods did it, and probably a majority of other men too, considering how many cheat by entertaining prostitutes and going to massage parlors.

In the case of Tiger Woods he does seem to have a specific preference for the way the T&A is dressed up though.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

46. &P. Don't forget &P.

:hi:

[dustbunnie]

47. Lol... yes, &P too!

:hi:

[Hello_Kitty]

54. Is that how you see yourself too?

Or is it just other women you put into a category of body parts to be used by men to relieve themselves?

[dustbunnie]

56. What are you on about? I'm just not in denial is all.

Let's see, why do YOU think Tiger Woods had 15 liaisons dangereuses with women who all looked basically the same? Because he had emotional epiphanies with all of them? Um, yeah, okay.

And so, because I have the intelligence to deduce that Tiger Woods went with all these women because he wanted to fuck them it means that I have low self-esteem? I swear, this place is a hoot today!

[Eric Condon]

27. I hate questions like this

"Why do men cheat?" "Why do powerful men cheat?" "Why do people cheat" blah blah blah.

The reason is the same no matter who it is: because there's nothing really natural about monogamy. People do it, and it can be a beautiful gesture if it's meaningful to you. I do it. But I'm the first to admit there's nothing natural about it.

It's like brushing your teeth. We do it because we know we "should," but it's not "natural." A feral person not raised in civilization wouldn't do it without prompting. More to the point, people are supposed to brush their teeth, but there are some days when some people don't.

[Iggo]

39. 101 reasons why men like Mark Morford cheat. (n/t)

[LynneSin]

52. Same reason my cat Abbott licks his balls - because he can

and no one is about to stop him.

Although I do shame him when I catch him doing it.

[justanaverageguy]

53. If it is true that men cheat more than women...

and I'm not sure it is. I've know more women who have cheated than men. But that's just anecdotal and not scientific

Qualifier: I am a married man with 2 children.

Based on conversations that I have had with friends of mine who are also married with children. Men tend to cheat in lieu of getting divorced because to divorce is to lose our kids. We love our kids, but maybe not the wife so much. Or maybe we do love her and we just aren't getting what we need from her (Sexually and/or emotionally). If asking for a divorce meant that we would get custody of the children and she would be the one moving out and paying us money every month, then I think you would find a lot more men just ending the marriage in lieu of cheating. But that's not the case. So a man might decide to have an affair in lieu of getting divorced. I mean what does a man have to lose? He can go ahead and ask for the divorce now, only to no longer liver under the same roof as his children. Or he can stay married and thus still live under the same roof as his kids, while every now a then stepping out to get some on the side. If he gets caught the end result is still the same, he's getting divorced. Yeah, he might also have the social stigma attached with being a cheater, but that will pass and people will move on. Meanwhile the kids are older (maybe even adults by now) and he got to drag it out a little bit longer.

I know that makes us sound like assholes but it's the truth. And by the way no worse than a woman who has been married to a good man for 20 years who has some sort of midlife crisis only to come to the conclusion that she isn't being fulfilled and wishes she didn't get married when she was 20 years old and spent the last 15 to 20 years playing housewife thereby sacrificing the college experience of partying and drinking and all that kind of single person stuff and not pursuing a career!! So now she regrets her husband for "holding her back" (even though not working and pursuing a career was her choice, that as a good husband he supported) so she files for divorce and kicks him out of a home that he as worked his butt off to get. He now has to move into a one bedroom apt because that all he can afford since the judge has order him to pay a significant amount in alimony and to pay her legal bills (of course she get's one of the most expensive divorce lawyers in town). I mean god forbid that the soon to be ex-wife not be able to maintain her standard of living. So now she has the kids, she gets alimony, she gets to stay in the house until it sales, then she get half the equity and continues to get alimony while all along never having to go get a job or do anything to support herself. So her life hasn't really changed expect to the extent that he is no longer in it, while his entire life has been turned upside down and is in ruins. A woman doing that (exactly what my good friend did to her husband) is just as bad a husband stepping out to get some sex on the side in lieu of getting divorced.

And to answer the obvious question, in my 10 years of marriage I have never cheated on my wife. Although, in the name of full disclosure I have been really tempted the few times that the opportunity presented itself. I like to think that it's a temptation that I will never give into.

[Hello_Kitty]

66. Yawn.

No one forced your friend to get married. No one forced him to have children. No one forced him to agree to support the family while his wife stayed home for 20 years. Seriously, this part always just floors me. How, in this day and age, are women able to convince their husbands they need to stay home all day once the kids are in school? How many 15 year-olds really need a stay-at-home parent? Seems to me it's more of a mutual decision that the wife will stay home, that has as much to do with the man's self image as a "provider" as the woman's desire to not get paying work. At any rate, if you're going to be a sucker for the white picket fence happy horsecrap and the 2.5 kids and traditional gender roles that go along with it, you take your chances. You're probably not going to get custody of the kids because the judge will look at who has been their primary caregiver, and since you opted for the traditional domestic arrangement that's going to be the mom. In most of the divorces I've seen where the marriage was more egalitarian, with both spouses working and contributing financially, custody has been shared.

[EOTE]

71. I think you need to read that post again.

I don't think you got much, if anything from it. Are you saying that because the poster's friend wasn't forced into his marriage that the shitty way his wife acted in the divorce was somehow justifiable? You seem to have a lot of anger, I'm not sure where it stems from.

[Hello_Kitty]

73. It comes from listening to people whine about situations they brought on themselves

I've heard this same sob story from men for years. No one forced them to marry or have children with these women. I say the exact same thing to women I know who piss and moan about their divorces or their deadbeat dad exes. "You knew he was like that when you had those kids with him." I find it difficult to believe a man can be married 20 years and not realize if his wife has an exploitive personality.

[EOTE]

78. Nice "blame the victim" mentality you've got there.

How pleasant.

[Hello_Kitty]

80. Victim of what?

I didn't read anything about the wife abusing the husband in that story. She divorced him. She got a settlement and the kids because...pay attention now...he CHOSE to be the breadwinner while she was a stay-at-home-mom and financially dependent on him. You'll find I'm very consistent on my position about these things on DU. Don't create dependents for yourself if you can't handle the obligation that entails. The guy could have stayed single and childless. He chose not to and took his chances.

[EOTE]

84. The husband did as she wanted.

And because of that, he's losing his house, a shit load of money and his kids. That makes him a victim. You're blaming him because you suggest he should have known that his wife would flake out earlier. Frankly, that's bullshit. People flake out all the time and the people around them are often taken completely surprised by it. Somehow I doubt if a husband started becoming abusive after 10 years of being a gentleman that you'd blame the wife for not seeing it coming.

[Hello_Kitty]

86. Those are chances you take when you marry and procreate with someone.

Again, this isn't an abusive situation we're describing here. A woman decided she didn't want to be married anymore. We don't force people to stay married in this country and we don't throw homemakers out on the street with no support. Judges award primary custody of children to the primary caregiver and alimony when it is applicable. Property acquired after the marriage is community property. It's not that I'm unsympathetic to the emotional hardship the guy may be feeling but I'm not terribly upset about him losing the house and money. I rather doubt he's losing the kids since I'm sure he's getting visitation and in most cases nowadays custody is shared.

Once again, when you create dependents for yourself, you create legal obligations for yourself.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

107. "brought on themselves"

What, exactly, did the husband in justanaverageguy's story "bring on himself", and how?

He didn't cheat. The wife divorced on her own volition.

[Hello_Kitty]

128. When you get married and procreate, you take your chances.

Everyone knows that divorces, especially with kids involved, tend to be ugly and expensive and 50% of marriages end in them. But people still take the chance, and then piss and moan about it when it doesn't work out.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

129. OK, I get it. Marrying is stupid.

And before you think of replying something like "hey, I didn't say that!" -- yes, you did. It's the logical consequence of your opinion on this matter.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

108. Delete - dupe

[justanaverageguy]

121. I'm not whining about my marriage

I love my marriage. My original point was to offer why some men might cheat in lieu of getting divorced. I really didn't mean to get into a discussion on the fairness of divorce as it applies to man vs. woman.

It doesn't matter if it's wrong or right, the perception among most married men is that they are going to get SCREWED in the divorce. Therefore I think they may be more likely than the wife to choose cheating over divorce, whereas the wife may not. This original post was concerning why men cheat. That was my $.02

Probably all it was worth I'm sure.

[justanaverageguy]

113. It floors you that women are able to convince their husband

that they need to stay home? Is up to their husbands? That's the implication of your statement and would seem to me that you might hold the belief that wives are subservient to their husbands, although I know that's not your belief. Hell, just ask my wife. She has never really pursued a career. She taught school for a couple of years and hated it, other than that she hasn't worked and both of our kids are in school. There is no "need" for her to stay home. But that's what she wants to do. Fortunately our financial situation allows for it. Not that it really matters to me now, but I did not anticipate this when we met and got married while she was still in college. What would you have me do? Force her to go get a career? Force her to support herself? Leave her? In fact, on a side note, one time a few years ago when our finances weren't so good I suggested that she go out and get a job to help out. Here response to me: "MAKE MORE MONEY!!" She was not going to go out and work. So you see, I didn't "Opt for the traditional domestic arrangement", rather it was somewhat placed upon me. I say placed in lieu of forced. It wasn't "forced" upon me, although I guess by your reasoning I could've just left her on the spot. Of course that would've left her (the woman I've committed to my life to) with two kids (my kids) essentially homeless and no way to support them. That really wasn't an option. So my only option then was to go make more money LOL!!. I did.

With all that being said, it really wasn't my intention to start a discussion on the fairness of divorce. This thread is about why men cheat. My point was when a man who is in a similar position as me (family, nice house, career) is weighing the option of divorce vs. cheating (which I am not currently weighing LOL!!), his motivation to choose the affair is in part because what a divorce means to his life. Whereas a woman in a similar position of my wife could be more likely than the husband to see divorce as the better option because for her divorce will likely be a less dramatic change to her life style.

Maybe it's because I was born and grew up in the south. But I know plenty of women who expect to be provided for. They see it as the man's role. These are modern, college educated women. My wife included. I'm fine with that, really I am. I will provide for my wife and my family until the day I die and then some. However, the flip side of that for my wife should be that if she decides she wants to walk out because she reaches a point in her life and looks back and wishes she had done things differently and wants to go down a different path, then fine leave. Don't destroy my life in the process. A wife that does that is, in my opinion, as low down as the husband who cheats.



Now this is just my opinion and conjecture. I recognize that this is completely anecdotal and not scientific whatsoever.

[seabeyond]

114. there is validity in everything you say. i get that. there are also perspectives i

think you dont see too, though. but that is fine. one of the reasons i am on these threads, listening to what others say is it allow me to see from different perspectives and has helped me to understand what hubby may be feeling or what my boys are experiencing now. i appreciate when another shares. now.... let me give you my story

a view from a stay at home mom

can i go to work now kids are in school? you betcha.

the pick up, drop off, running to school for things kid forgot, volunteering at school, connection to teachers and adm of school (which is vital in kids journey in school), staying up on grades, sick days, off days, homework, breakfast, getting dressed and out of bed, brushing teeth.... all that stuff would now have to be shared by husband too. cause i am not gonna be superwoman. husband has always gotten to sleep later than i. he has always gotten to dress, shower and go off to work without any thinking outside that goal. makes it much easier for him every day, every morning not having any interference to making money.

laundry, cleaning, cooking, dry cleaners, grocery store, nursery, yard work, banking, investments, repair people and general errands .... ect. must now be shared. cause i am not gonna be a superwoman.

both coming home after work and putting dinner together, homework and connecting and listening to kids is now gonna be shared and crammed into a smaller time.

the sittin in peace and quiet and relax mode after a hard day of work is going to be less

as long as a husband understands that his whole world will shift too, and really think this thru, then fine

the kids dont get as much, and if you are willing for that, that is fine too

in our house, i do the kids and i do the house and i do the husbands stuff.... and he works. he gets lots of downtime and i get equal downtime (now that kids are older. younger, he had it easy).

and we .... we... make enough money

we have thought, do i want to go back to work, buy a business. by the time taxes out, i have no degree so little money, expenses of gas, daycare, dinners out cause too tired, more clothes, dry cleaning.... ect, the little money brought in isnt worth it.

and there is so much reward in one taking care of one part of life, another taking care another part of life, and ALL it gives children

so

it is a decision between couples. it would be nice if people could be at peace, and appreciate what stands. it is sad when there is a sense of unfairness and that feeds into marriage.

sorry you have to feel less than content.

*and all that stuff, that is just the surface of what i do that hubby hasnt had to do. or how it has made life easier for him. or how it helped us to have more money not less. 5 minutes and i can think of so much more that has allowed what we have to be more by me not working, not less.

[justanaverageguy]

116. On the contrary...

I feel VERY content. My apologies if my post have come across otherwise, and after re-reading them I can see why you may have thought that.

All the things you mention I absolutely agree with. My wife handles all of those things. She gets the kids ready, she deals with parent-teacher issues. She gets the boys to school and back. She is often the one that gets them to the doctor or scouts or ball practice. Don't think that is lost on me, it's not. I really appreciate it and it is the reason why I've never pushed her to go to work except the one time we were BROKE ASS!!. There is a benefit for me because she stays home. I get that.

In any marriage both the man and woman, separately and together, chose roles. In some marriages, like mine and apparently yours, it's more "traditional" role assignment. That being the man works to provide the means, the woman is the family caretaker. In other marriages it may be more "modern" where man and woman share more similar roles where they both actively provide the means and serve as the family caretakers. One is no better than the other.

Your right our kids might not get as much stuff because we have sacrificed a 2nd income. But there are other benefits they get that goes beyond stuff.

Furthermore let me state for the record. I have chosen my role in our family. With that role comes certain commitments. If I utterly fail on those commitments by cheating, by not providing, by walking out on my family....then fine my wife has every right in the world to take my ass to the cleaners and get everything she can. That's the consequence of my choice. The flip side is that if I'm living up to my commitment and she doesn't want to live up to her's anymore and thus leave the marriage, I go back to my original stance, my life shouldn't be ruined because of her choice. My friend that I refer to in my original post did just that. She is collecting thousands of dollars a month in alimony alone based on the idea that because she has been a housewife for nearly the last 20 years she is unable to enter the workforce and maintain the same standard of living she is accustomed to. She freely admits that her husband has been a wonderful husband and claims to still love him (although he's not feeling loved at this point) It's just that their kids are finishing high school and she feels she is done "with that part of her life" (her exact wording). She now wants to go to school and explore other experiences of life that she can't do while married. For her there was never any real possibility of a real negative consequence of her choice. She still enjoys all the same comforts and security, while he does not. While it may be perfectly legal, it is not right.

[seabeyond]

120. well

i am very glad to hear i read it a bet wrong. i like for people to find their happy place, lol.

i am very much into balance. fairness. dont care either gender. and i would have an issue. mine would be a flat out 50/50 and then i go off to do my thing; he, his thing. and it would be a thank you for the last 16 yrs, they really have been easy, and i have enjoyed. regardless of what happens now, that past will always be.

i get what you are saying. since i hear ya... i really dont have a lot to say about it. i have always been one to not ever ask and take from people. i dont like to owe. when dating, i would insist on paying at least my part.

and to be honest, i didnt do a real good job reading your first post.

[justanaverageguy]

122. Thank you...

good thing you and I never dated... On our first date you would've NEVER paid for anything. Also, I would've opened doors for you, probably would've told the server what you wanted, and not sat until you did, not eaten anything until you did,ect... I know that offends some women today. But I'm old fashion that way I guess. As Albus Dumbledore once said.."It's just being polite" (on the astronomy tower just before they killed him).

[seabeyond]

123. ah ha

see no, you are wrong. lol. if you would have insisted on paying, then i would have invited you over for a cooked meal... even. lol

and doors, manners ect... all good to me. i can appreciate. but then i use them back.

the gentlemanly manners, i probably appreciate more today, than i did yesterday. i teach them to my boys. now that i see a some of them arent around anymore, i am appreciating and feeling good when i do experience them. nice always works for me.

[justanaverageguy]

125. no, no....

my acceptance of your generous invitation would've been conditional upon you allowing me to bring all the fresh ingredients for our finely prepared cooked meal. LOL!!

If that didn't work I would've just stuck $50 in your purse or something.

[seabeyond]

126. lol. nt

[seabeyond]

124. the thing is

i see men struggle with paying bills. and i dont see that they should be the only ones to shell out to enjoy company. and i do know women that think they are owed. that never feels good to me

but further

last week on the board there was a particular thread talking about prostitutes. and men were having a gay old time on this thread. a couple times it was mentioned anytime a man gets sex he is paying for it. saying, going out to dinner and forking over the money he is paying to have sex with her.

that is not an unusual comment to hear from men. and as a woman it makes me say... k, then dont pay. also would make one say, then no sex, and beyond making that statement come true.

as a female, those comments we hear so often, all our lives are bothersome. even though a guy may just think witty and cute, even in jest.

[justanaverageguy]

127. I get that

and I admit that I myself in my obnoxious moments have made that exact or very similar comment. With no real sincere belief behind what was spewing out of my mouth.

Honestly, I don't think I'm a man out of the norm on this, if I really and truly believed that dinner, movie or whatever I'm paying for was just another way of paying for the sex, there would be no sex. No self respecting person (man or woman) would pay someone else to have sex with them. If I have to pay you, then I don't want you to even touch me.

Likewise to your thoughts, I always hate it when I here a woman say that they don't like to let the man pay for dinner or let a guy in a bar buy them a drink because then the man expects sex. Just because you let me by you a beer in a bar one night, I don't really expect you to go back to my place and.......know what I mean?

On edit:
Let me add though, I can understand why women take that position. There are some guys who make them feel that way.

[Hello_Kitty]

115. You are choosing to be in your situation

Yes, leaving would cost money and you'd see your kids less, but you could still leave if you wanted.

[justanaverageguy]

117. Of course I am when you take the concept of "choosing"

to that level.

I could leave, it's just not the best choice or even a realistic choice.

I may be "choosing" to remain in this situation, that doesn't not mean I chose to be in this situation. Rather it's a consequence of past choices that have created this situation. WHICH FOR THE RECORD IS A SITUATION THAT I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO BE IN!!!

To some extent everyone "chooses" their given situation. A homeless man might not have chosen to be homeless, but it could be a consequence of past choices that have caused him to become homeless. He doesn't have to be homeless. He can go jump off a bridge or shoot someone. Hell, Bush probably would've let him join the army and go on his way to Iraq. He'd no longer be homeless!! But those are about as real choices for him as it is for me to leave my family just because my wife doesn't have a career. It's not really a choice.

[H2O Man]

72. Bags of shit dust ......

anyone who cheats on their spouse.

[goldcanyonaz]

96. +1

[slutticus]

89. Hornets' nest meet stick.

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!
Arrrggggggggggg!!!!!!!
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!


:rofl:

[treestar]

106. for Tiger Woods the answer is

Because he can.

:rofl:

[varelse]

109. Let me guess... no one got past the thread title, right?

I mean, seriously...

Basically, men cheat* because:
1) Their penis told them to.
2) The penis is always right.
3) Unless it's not. Unless it's totally, blindingly wrong. But that's really not possible. Just ask it. Wait a sec, it's busy with that Vegas waitress. OK, go ahead. See?

[seabeyond]

110. since i am one of the major culprits, i admit. i only was responding to poster

saying just being a guy cause they just gotta spread their seed.

didn't even care about the article in its silliness.

[varelse]

112. The op ed is hilarious

it's really a comment on the internet/media dialogue surrounding the Tiger Woods infidelity crisis - and it's funny as hell.

With all of the depressing news we are exposed to, I recommend this one as an antidote :D

[Hissyspit]

151. Looks like that. The column is a parody of America's discussions on infidelity.

Which pop up every few months (the discussions, I mean), depending on who is screwing around.

[ensho]

118. marriage is a religious construct

nt

[fascisthunter]

119. temptation of the flesh

everone is subject to this, some for different reasons don't carry out their fantasies...

[Warren DeMontague]

150. It generally starts with a "P".

That's all I'm going to say.