True reform, I repeat, will not occur until healthcare is removed from

[Skidmore]

the employer based system, taken from the unions to use as a bargaining chip, made to be nonprofit, and is single payer.

With whatever ends up as law, this is the place to steer it to in the future.

[Greyhound]

1. Yep, and most of us will be dead before that is allowed. n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Sad, but true.

[still_one]

2. No, true reform will not occur until the filibuster is removed /nt

[el_bryanto]

3. you realize the filibuster works both ways, right?

I mean we used it and the threat of it back when the Republicans controlled the White House and Senate - some people felt like we didn't use it enough.

Bryant

[still_one]

4. Get rid of it. It is unDemocratic /nt

[el_bryanto]

5. Well it is certainly a brake on democracy, that's for sure

But consider some of judges who would be sitting right now without it. And other problems.

Bryant

[still_one]

6. and yes, I know it cuts both ways /nt

[zipplewrath]

7. Only in the strict sense

It is undemocratic in the sense of "mob rule". But you don't want "pure" democracy. The Representative form of government we have is preferable. The filibuster needs some modification, probably towards something similar to the reconciliation rule they now have. But elimination isn't the answer. (Also, we have a problem in the senate with the fact that each state has two senators. Worked great when there were 13 colonies. With 50 states it's a problem) I do wonder if a filibuster should be required to have some geographical support, i.e. 2 states from each "federal region". There are 10 if I recall correctly.

[TheBigotBasher]

11. They threaten to use it on everything.

The Democratic Party used it against some Supreme Courrt appointments and backed down on worse choices.

It is undemocratic and it gives power to a single Senator to work against the programme that he or she was elected on.

[defendandprotect]

8. After Dems/Obama cement corporations in this HC Deform ... we'll get them out????

[Skidmore]

9. I'd say take their monopoly status away from them and make them

all nonprofits. Take the profit motive away.

[xchrom]

10. More like the Swiss model or regulated public utlities.

Not sure I detect any will to get even there.

Opting in this real time for extreme complexity rather than real reform
doesn't bode well -- even for the laughable
incrementalists.

[amborin]

13. k&r

[OneBlueSky]

14. amen . . . n/t

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