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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:35 PM
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Greenwald: Karl Rove's belief in "traditional marriage" laws
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/12/29/rove/index.html?source=rss&aim=/opinion/greenwald

Karl Rove is an outspoken opponent of same-sex marriage, citing "5,000 years of understanding the institution of marriage" as his justification. He also famously engineered multiple referenda to incorporate a ban on same-sex marriage into various states' constitutions in 2004 in order to ensure that so-called ""Christian conservatives" and "value voters" who believe in "traditional marriage laws" would turn out and help re-elect George W. Bush. Yet, like so many of his like-minded pious comrades, Rove seems far better at preaching the virtues of "traditional marriage" to others and exploiting them for political gain than he does adhering to those principles in his own life:

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Rove obtained his divorce under Texas' "no-fault" divorce law, one of the most permissive in the nation. That law basically allows any married couple to simply end their marriage because they feel like it. Texas, needless to say, is one of the states which has constitutionally barred same-sex marriages, and has a Governor who explicitly cites Christian dogma as the reason to support that provision, yet the overwhelming majority of Texan citizens make sure that there's nothing in the law making their own marriages binding or permanent -- i.e., traditional. They're willing to limit other people's marriage choices on moral grounds, but not their own, and thus have a law that lets them divorce whenever the mood strikes. That's the very permissive, untraditional and un-Christian law that Rove just exploited in order to obtain his divorce.

There's debate and dispute among various Christian theologians and sects over whether divorce and re-marriage are permissible and, if so, under what circumstances. But what is clear is that the attribute of permanence is every bit as much of a part of "traditional marriage" as the need for a man and a women -- hence, the vow before God of "till death do us part" and "that which God has brought together, let no man put asunder." The concept of "no-fault" divorce is certainly repugnant to most Christian and traditional understandings of marriage. Yet those like Rove who have devoted endless efforts to barring gay citizens from marrying on the ground that our laws must enshrine Christian concepts of "traditional marriage" continuously take advantage of laws that enable them to end their own marriages on a whim, and even enter new marriages with their so-called "second, third and fourth wives," which only seems to intensify their "traditional marriage" preaching.

I've long thought that the solution to the cheap, cost-free moralizing that leads very upstanding people like Karl Rove to want to ban same-sex marriages (which they don't want to enter into themselves, and thus cost them nothing) is to have those same "principles" apply consistently to all marriage laws. If Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and their friends and followers actually were required by law to stay married to their wives -- the way that "traditional marriage" was generally supposed to work -- the movement to have our secular laws conform to "traditional marriage" principles would almost certainly die a quick, quiet and well-deserved death.

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Well said.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:42 PM
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1. K&R
n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:44 PM
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2. I know a happily married gay couple here in Los Angeles who I am quite sure are
personally responsible for Rove's marriage breaking up. Who do I report them to?
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:45 PM
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3. Turdblossom believes that divorce should be between a man and a woman. n/t
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:51 PM
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4. Obviously, we need to ban divorce to save marriage
http://rescuemarriage.org/

That's what we're going to do in California. :evilgrin:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:00 PM
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6. I've always said
if gays can't marry, christians can't divorce. I mean its all about the sanctity of marriage right? If abstinence against sex is good for kids then abstinence against divorce should be great for the grownups.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 04:34 PM
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9. Exactly
As the Rescue Marriage folks say, "It says 'death do you part.' You're not dead yet."
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:01 PM
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7. can we apply this ONLY to one specific pseudo christian cult? nt
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 04:50 PM
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10. LOL!
My sentiments exactly!
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:54 PM
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5. What a repugnant little wad of over-risen yeast dough he is.
What human being in his or her right mind would want to marry Rove?
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:02 PM
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8. I am sure the marriage was over long ago,
if, indeed, there ever was a real marriage. He just waited this long because he thought he could fly under the radar.
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