C_SPAN3 Accuracy of Battlefield Information Henry Waxman

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

starting shortly.

www.c-span.org

House Oversight Committee. Jessica Lynch to testify. Also will probe Pat Tillman death.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. It's also available here on webcast for The Oversight Committee Site

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1242

[maddezmom]

2. thanks for the reminder

:hi:

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

3. code pink is there

edit

and the cops are harassing them

[Solly Mack]

4. Police attempting to make Code Pink move again

[Solly Mack]

5. Police officer telling them to move...woman asking "Is there a lawyer in the room?'

"We've moved 3 times and now you want us to move again?" "The chairs aren't marked"

Was getting loud and heated...but Code Pink stands firm and does NOT move.

[Solly Mack]

6. Waxman opening

Speaking on the disinformation and phony information put out

[cspanlovr]

7. I love Henry! Go get 'em!

[Solly Mack]

8. Waxman addressing the Lynch story falsehoods

[Solly Mack]

9. Now on to the Tillman story

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

10. when susan schmidt is involved in the story

you know it's bullshit.

[Solly Mack]

11. Tom Davis, R- Virginia speaking

the Pentagon never fed the Washington Post... "hollywood" version of the story

goes on to Tillman...speaking on the physical evidence destroyed and info suppressed and manipulated

[Solly Mack]

12. witnesses being seated - now taking oath

Waxman thanking everyone for being there

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

13. kevin tillman - original official story is pure fiction

[Solly Mack]

14. Kevin Tillman speaking

reading his statement....a strong one...

setting the stage of the news at the time...and Tillman's death in the middle of it all...Abu Ghraib news hitting the WH...troop extensions....and then Pat Tillman's death

" to further exploit Pat's death he was awarded the silver star"

"it was utter fiction" (details released - at the time- of Pat's death)

"it was intended not only to deceive his family but to deceive the American people"

[Solly Mack]

15. "This was NOT some fog of war" - Kevin Tillman

getting to the point of his brother's death...tearing up...

[Solly Mack]

16. "field hospital report was falsified" - Kevin Tillman

"it (the lie told about Tillman's death) had the desired effect - to shift focus from Abu Ghraib"

[Solly Mack]

17. Kevin Tillman still speaking....I hope everyone is listening to him

[me b zola]

40. CNN played his testimony in full

I hope a lot of people saw it too.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

18. it's going to be interesting to hear the republicans on this.

[Solly Mack]

19. Pat was no longer a use as a sales pitch after the partial truth came out

[flyarm]

20. I AM SITTING HERE CRYING AND MAD...NO FAMILY SHOULD

have this done to them..

and it WAS DONE TO THEM..for propaganda..and greed by the mother fucker in this white house!

DAMN I AM SO MAD..

HOW LONG DID WE TELL PEOPLE THIS STUFF..and we were not believed..because the MEDIA DIDN'T TELL THEM???????

i know i typed this stuff over and over and over again on so many blogs and web sites...

i was called a liar..

i told so many friends..i put signs on my home..and i was called a liar and a traitor..

yes today i am mad..i am even more sad..for the familys and soldiers who have been put through these lies..and have lost the loves of their lives..

for lies..

fly

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. I remember this too damn well fly. How about the soldiers that rescued her. The ones that died when

they came home? Single car accident? Someone getting killed at a house party by someone in concealed clothes jumping over a neighbor's fence? One killed in Afghanistan. There was someone else who died...can't recall who now.

Then there is the Iraqi lawyer, who quote end quote lied about her story and he was bankrolled by the same PR firm that assisted with the making up of the story about Kuwait incubators during the first Gulf War.

I am sitting here furious too!!!!

[flyarm]

90. yes we posted many times the mysterious deaths of the soldiers who were with jessica

yes indeed ..ommmsweetomm..we poste dover and over and over the lies..and the mysterious deaths of the soldiers who supossedly rescuded Jessica..

i will check my files i believe i still have the stories ...

yes OMMM..we tried to get the truth out there..and we were called traitors and told to leave our country..

i put signs on my home..large signs and had my life threatened..

but OMM..what we have and had is truth..

we tried....


and i love you for that!!

fly

[Solly Mack]

21. "Deliberate and calculated lies"

Kevin Tillman telling it like it is

it (the lies) is not a "misstep", it is not an "error in judgment"

it is a "deliberate lie"

[underpants]

23. Damn I wish I could see this

C-Span is locking up on me and the committees feed is bad.

[Solly Mack]

26. Try CNN...they are also showing it...don't know for how long though

[Solly Mack]

22. Kevin Tillman listing other lies told about the deaths of troops

[Lasher]

24. Tillman told his superiors his Iraqi trainees were trying to kill him

He was told to shut up.

[Solly Mack]

25. "powers more interested in protecting a narrative than at getting to the truth

and justice being served"

And that's the TRUTH of the entire mess....Iraq and Afghanistan

[Solly Mack]

27. Lynch speaking "setting the record straight will be something I'll have to do

for the rest of my life"

[Solly Mack]

28. Lynch still speaking...now speaking on that day "that I'll never forget"

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

29. surprise - fox news isn't covering it

[Solly Mack]

30. Lynch describing her injuries

"nurses tried to return me to the Americans"

[Solly Mack]

31. Lynch "all repeating the little girl rambo... who went down fighting"

"it was not true"

[Solly Mack]

32. Lynch "...American people don't need to be told lies..."

[Solly Mack]

33. Dr Gene Bolles up now formerly of Landstuhl

Chief of Neurosurgery

[Solly Mack]

35. "Here today to discuss Jessica Lynch"

"her injuries...truth coupled with fiction"

"addressing those today"

"did a complete exam on her...no evidence of gunshot wounds...no entrance or exist wounds...did have puncture wounds...consistant with a motor vehicle type accident..."

"I... to operate...lumbar spine and fractures..."

"permission to contact her parents"

"asked by father if she had been shot...I said no"

"I never leaked her condition to the press"

[Solly Mack]

36. Q&A of witnesses begins

[Solly Mack]

37. Murphy speaking "you chose truth over personal glorification"

[Solly Mack]

38. questions directed at Tillman family

still Chris Murphy - D asking

Kevin Tillman: "my chain of command told me Pat potentially died of fratricide"

"BC went over it in detail...without a doubt 'friendly fire'"

[Solly Mack]

39. Mary Tillman speaking

"we believed everything he (COL. Bailey)told us...I took him at his word"

later

"story started changing"

and again later

the story changed again

"it didn't add up to us"

[Solly Mack]

41. Mary Tillman discussing being killed by friendly fire and gets a silver star

and going on to ask questions on the "why" did command do what it did...with broken rules of engagement yet CID concluded there were no violations

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

42. dan burton up

nice haircut.

[Solly Mack]

43. watermelon man gonna recreate Tillman's death?

[IChing]

44. The e-mail on Tilman speech the by pResident

This is big

[flyarm]

45. this email is scathing!!....eom

[flyarm]

46. this email is scathing!! eom

[AlCzervik]

47. this whole thing reminds me of the cover up after the code red in "A few good men"

[Solly Mack]

48. Email and the WH again

[Solly Mack]

49. HA! shows the WH knew how Tillman died and weeks BEFORE the family did

[Solly Mack]

50. Gotta admire and respect the Tillman family. They aren't about to

be intimidated

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

51. wow doesn't look like many republicans are there

and only giving speeches. no hard questions when they do speak.

[IChing]

52. Mr. Duncan is an asshat blames in on the huge beaucracy and not

looking at the few in the chain of command that had the reigns of control on Tillman's story.

[Skidmore]

53. Duncan (R-TN) "military shouldn't be worshipped" and

who knew, we need oversight. Is this guy up for re-election, or is he just talking poo.

[Solly Mack]

54. wanna keep it from happening in the future? hold the liars accountable

in the present

[Solly Mack]

55. "why the uniform was cut off"

Kevin Tillman - "I don't know why they would"

[IChing]

56. Paddlemarks? Wow didn't know about this part thanks Dennis

Burning his clothing?

[Solly Mack]

57. Unreal isn't it?

a man with his head shot almost clean off....

[AlCzervik]

60. "He had no head" really i didn't realize the whole extent of his injuries.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

58. that army guy over kevin tillman's right shoulder is freaking me out

no expression whatsoever all morning. i don't know if he is there to testify for the tillmans or the army.

[AlCzervik]

59. the military guy with all the ribbons? Me too. is he smirking?

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

61. hard to tell

[IChing]

62. Issa is very hostile and losing attacking the witnesses-"they"

attacking both Tillman's family and jessica.

[bdamomma]

87. I am not listening to this but this is shameful to treat people like

this who losted their son to a illegal war. They love to smear the American people don't they? Like we are nothing to them. They prove that everyday, that we do not mean anything.

[flyarm]

63. this reminds me of the Mai Lai cover ups during Vietnam...makes me sick! eom

[flyarm]

65. manufactured story..that generals would make this story up on their own...eom

[Solly Mack]

64. Issa is a piece of shit

He is trying so hard to mock both Lynch and the Tillman family

[flyarm]

66. i can't stomach that mtf'er..i despise him..who would vote for

that little fucker..

fly

[flyarm]

67. ohhh issa was in rotc and spit on..during Nam..what a fucking liar!! eom

[flyarm]

69. if issa was in rotc in 70's why wasn't he sent to Nam????????/

we need to look into that prick!! a little closer...

fly

[IChing]

72. Issa was ROTC at "Kent State" and a car thief

In 1971, Issa allegedly stole a Dodge sedan from an Army post near Pittsburgh. The allegation has made by a retired Army sergeant, and published in a 1998 newspaper article. Issa denied the allegation. No charges were filed.<2><3>

In 1972, Issa and his brother allegedly stole a red Maserati sports car from a car dealership in Cleveland. He and his brother were indicted for car theft, but the case was dropped.<2><3>

Also in 1972, Issa was convicted in Michigan for possession of an unregistered gun. He received three months probation and paid a $204 fine.<4><5>

On December 28, 1979, Issa and his brother allegedly faked the theft of Issa's Mercedes Benz sedan. Issa and his brother were charged for felony auto-theft, but the case was dropped by prosecutors for lack of evidence. Later, Issa and his brother were charged for misdemeanors, but that case was not pursued by prosecutors. Issa accused his brother of stealing the car, and said that the experience with his brother was the reason he went into the car alarm business.<2><3>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrell_Issa

[mrreowwr_kittty]

77. And now he's a Republican Congressman. Perfect. n/t

[Solly Mack]

70. What you said and said so well!

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

68. says he was in rotc... um.. a soldier at kent state

in early 70's. "a time when soldiers were spit on." he must have got there after the national guard opened fire on the students.

[11 Bravo]

71. Yoiu can't spell "pissant" without "Issa".

I can't believe that smarmy little fuck has the stones to ask Kevin Tillman, "Where is your evidence?" What a contemptible little ass-wipe he is.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

He's a POS and shows his true colors at these hearings. People who see him

on Real Time, and like him, don't have a clue.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

mica - another POS

[AlCzervik]

73. Oh how i hate John Mica and is truly terrible roadkill hair piece.

[flyarm]

74. i think Pat would be very proud of his mom and brother...they make me proud!!

Mary Tillman and Kevin ..are my hero's...they speak for those who lost their voice ..and they stand for truth...yes indeed , they are my hero's!

fly

[Solly Mack]

75. They have been awesome!

[AlCzervik]

76. i agree, what they're doing is important for everybody in the military, how many other

Pat Tillman's are there without the name recognition.

[JoMama49]

82. Mica is excusing what happened because "everyone makes

mistakes", and the Military is no exception, but it's okay because absent the Tillman and Lynch incidents, the Military is infallible!

[AlCzervik]

78. omg Mica STFU---seriously! You are adding fucko to this hearing, wasting the

panels time.

[sabra]

80. that was disgusting

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. WTF? Briging up Corzine...his going 91 MPH???? eom

[Solly Mack]

81. Oh no he fucking didn't! the "poster child" comment

Gee...see to it that you aren't undermining the military when you speak the truth about the military...so be careful what you say

[flyarm]

83. watson..to tillmans ..thank you for your tenacity..we need more Americans like you!

I love this woman..

yes bushits..we need more Americans like these people..Americans that tell the truth and face the truth..

umlike Mica and Issa mother fuckers!

Mica had the nerve to bring in Virginia Tech..and mistakes by the VT administration...

i am so damn sick of the lies and the mother fuckers who cover up the damn lies!

i am just so tired of it..really...

fly

[flyarm]

84. Watson saying there will be a "counter attack " on the witnesses..

what a sad day for all of us ..that that is the case..

watson thanked them for their courage ..knowing there would be a counter attack on them..but that now congress has a record..

i really have such disgust for my own country..i say that honestly.

fly

[IChing]

85. Why is Hayes who is not on the committee speaking?

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

86. apparently because he represents ft bragg area.

it's a "look at me" moment.

[seemunkee]

88. What was the point of that?

He didn't ask anything, just wanted his "I support our Troops" moment.

[IChing]

89. Mary Tillman is awesome

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

91. new thread started for convenience

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x741744

[flyarm]

92. Mary Tillman..we shouldn't be allowed to have smoke screens in our face!!

god i love this woman...she is mad..and she is right!

i love this woman..this mother...

Pat would indeed be proud of his MOM!!

fly