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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:48 PM
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Judge threatens to send Walt Staton to prison because he gave drinking water to undocumented aliens!
As I See It: Make us all citizens of the world
By Paul deLespinasse
January 6, 2010

The pursuit of "illegal aliens" has become a high government priority. Congress has made it illegal to hire an "undocumented" alien who has managed to get into the U.S. Although discrimination in other contexts is illegal, for the undocumented it is mandatory.

In June, a federal jury convicted Walt Staton of littering. His "littering" consisted of leaving jugs of fresh drinkable water in an area near the Mexican border for entering aliens who might otherwise have died from dehydration (as a great many indeed have).

The 27-year-old graduate student was sentenced to 300 hours of community service, a year's probation, and banned from the National Wildlife Refuge in which he had done his evil deeds. Now he has refused to do the community service and the judge is threatening to send him to prison.

The logic behind making it a criminal act to give someone a drink of water is also impeccable. If more "illegals" die from thirst, this will make crossing into the U.S. less attractive and reduce the burden of policing the border.

It is clear what the next step needs to be: we must make it a criminal act to give or sell food to anybody who cannot document that they are a citizen or here with official government approval.

Christians, for example, including fundamentalists (perhaps especially fundamentalists!), need to think about the implications of their faith here:

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me a drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me ...." (Matthew 25:35)

Does anybody really want to live in a world where it is illegal to give a fellow human being a drink of water?

Read the full article at:

http://gazettetimes.com/news/opinion/columnists/article_aae1c066-faee-11de-9969-001cc4c002e0.html


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:50 PM
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1. Any bets that scumbag judge
goes to church and claims to be a Christian.

When did this nasty mean spirited behavior take over.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:19 PM
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17. I'll be this happened on Tohono O'Odham reservation land.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:52 PM
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2. Christian hate at least SHOULD be an oxymoron.
Unfortunately, it is not.

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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:58 PM
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3. Refuse the community service you agreed to for your CRIME? Go to jail.
He should have been jailed for aiding criminals in the first place, not given community service for littering.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:00 PM
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5. You're joking .... right? Sarcasm .... right?
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:05 PM
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7. Wow, you're a nasty one.
How did I not notice you before?
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:11 PM
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12. Do a search on the username
I looked at just the past month. It takes years for some people to amass such a quantity of vitriol.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:12 PM
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14. I'd like to (username) that (username) but it isn't up to me.
I've read his hatred all too often.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:07 PM
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10. You want to jail a man for trying to save human lives?
What sort of monster are you?
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:08 PM
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11. He was sentenced to community service.
He was aiding human beings, providing water. Did you make a wrong turn on your way to stormfront?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:13 PM
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15. He's now refusing to do the community service he accepted
AS AN ALTERNATIVE SENTENCE TO JAIL TIME. Damn right lock him up. You don't get to pick and choose which laws you'll obey, unless you're willing to suffer the consequences for breaking the ones you break. By refusing to serve his community service this jackass is making a mockery of civil disobedience. He has no morals. Like that time when Muhammed Ali ran away to Fiji instead of accepting jailtime for his act of civil disobedience. Oh wait - Ali had morals. This guy's just a jackass.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:20 PM
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18. "He has no morals?" Did you REALLY just write that? Water to a desperate human is no morals?
God save me from the likes of you.

Vile.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:24 PM
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19. this guy was trying to save lives and you say he has no morals?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:32 PM
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20. He accepted community service as punishment, and now refuses to do it.
I'd say that ranks pretty low on the morality scale. Do the people who would have been helped by his community service obligations not count as much as the illegal aliens he illegally tried to help remain in the country illegally?


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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:47 PM
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23. Morality is a funny word. It often means what we want it to.
Justice can be like that too. The system is rotten but you want to take it out on this guy. Won't catch me playing on your lawn.

--imm
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:41 PM
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33. where are you getting that he accepted community service as an alternative to jail time
It doesn't say that in the article. And there isn't anything about a plea bargain or anything--it says that he was convicted and sentenced.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:46 PM
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35. Jail time and fines were sentencing options - he got community service instead.
Whether that was his choice or the judge's, it was an alternative to jail time.

The fact remains, though, that he can't simply opt out of the community service he was sentenced to perform.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:52 PM
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37. he can if he chooses to risk jail instead
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 02:53 PM by fishwax
which is what is happening here. :shrug:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:37 PM
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21. Did civil rights activists who violated segregationists "Jim Crow" laws also deserve to be jailed?
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 01:39 PM by Better Believe It
Those laws that are repressive, undemocratic and in violation of basic human rights and must be defied. And those who jail such activists under such repressive laws must be opposed and those jailed under them must be freed.

This is basic human solidarity.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:44 PM
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22. Laws against littering are repressive?
To answer your question on jailed Civil Rights leaders, they accepted the punishment for breaking the law - that's what separates civil disobedience from crime. It got them the attention necessary to get the laws changed. If this guy had done the community service he agreed to do, he could be considered to have committed civil disobedience and not a crime. As it stands he's just a criminal.

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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:59 PM
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26. The civil rights activists were forced in to jail. It was coercion not acceptance.
You were calling him a criminal for giving "criminals" water. Now you are pretending that your beef is that he did not do his community service. This stupid reasoning works with your teabag compatriots, but this is a liberal website. What the fuck are you doing here?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:15 PM
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30. those laws were broken with the expectation that sanctions would be imposed
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 02:17 PM by Lance_Boyle
without any doubt. This is how civil disobedience works, and it is one reason why Civil Rights leaders are heroes - they were brave enough to commit civil disobedience EXPECTING to be punished for it.

edited to add - "Liberal" does not mean "blindly accepting of illegal immigration," no matter how much you and other one-world amnesty proponents would like it to.

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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:20 PM
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32. Those laws were broken out of moral conviction
Has for your one-world amnesty comment, you don't know shit, especially about me or my opinions on the subject.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 04:19 PM
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42. So do you really think the judge was merely concerned about enforcing anti- littering laws?
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 04:22 PM by Better Believe It
Come now. You don't really expect us to believe that nonsense now, do you?

And the ever alert cops who arrested the man are hardcore environmentalists taking a bite out of pollution!

Jailed civil rights leaders were charged with breaking laws and were cast as dangerous criminals by the racist segregationists by those who wrote and enforced Jim Crow.

So stop trying to justify and defend a racist judge who obviously is only concerned about keeping out those "wetbacks" just as southern judges wanted to keep those "n---ers" in their place.

Give it a break. People just won't buy your snake oil.

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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:59 PM
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27. I have a hard time keeping track of who's who
around here but Lance_Boyle will be a name I remember.
I play this little memory game...Lance is the boil on the ass of humanity.
Done. Ill remember now.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:11 PM
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29. I want to be around when this boil pops. That's why I don't maintain an ignore list.
I want to smell the pizza when it comes.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:45 PM
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34. He didn't accept the community service as an alternative sentence to jail time
At least, not that I can tell. Where are you getting that information from?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:02 PM
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39. He's making it up as he goes along. Gandhi was often sentenced to fines.
He refused to pay and sometimes went to jail and sometimes did not.

Community service sentence on this "crime" is BS.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:11 PM
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13. WATER? You're a deeply disturbed "human" being, IMHO. nt
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:58 PM
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4. Thank god for peasant justice
Meanwhile all the white-collar Bu$hCo illegal-war-and-torture criminals who are REALLY wreaking havoc our nation run free.

Sounds fair to me.


:mad:
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:04 PM
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6. Welcome to the USA
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 01:04 PM by nykym
Your papers please!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:06 PM
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8. No one would fault you for giving water to a thirsty dog, but
forget about it if you give it to a human being deemed to be illegal by laws made by bigots fifty years ago. I really fear for the morality of this country, not only killing children in their home countries, but torturing captives of our illegitimate wars to justify them and now this and all of it done "legally".
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:50 PM
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25. Dogs have to be liscensed. Just got an idea for a new law...
:think:

--imm
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:59 PM
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38. Depends
on the city. No dog licensing here.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:05 PM
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41. So you are saying you wouldn't give water to a thirsty unlicensed dog?
I feel bad for your karma if you aren't kidding.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 12:01 AM
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43. It might not be pedigreed.
:scared:

--imm
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:07 PM
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9. This is insane.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:18 PM
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16. God bless Walt Staton.
I've been at the Nogales border and watched men squeeze through the barred turnstiles. It was horrifying.

It's quite simple. Nothing will stop them--and they contribute in uncalculated ways to Arizona's economy--they generate millions in tax revenue, contrary to what ma=ny believe.

God bless Walt Staston.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:49 PM
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24. If you're going to commit civil disobedience you must also be willing to accept your penalty
I admire Walt Staton's compassion for the plight of people attempting to cross into the US illegally. However, ignoring a community service + probation sentence does not give a judge much if any choice about whether to regard Mr. Staton as a unconscientious lawbreaker - even if he or she privately believes Staton to be a very conscientious person. Judges do not have a lot of discretion, thanks to mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines, and they have none at all when someone brazenly defies an order/sentence after having been found guilty. Sorry, but we are all forced to sacrifice our consciences at times (every day maybe, for some) in order to show that we acknowledge the basic duties that life in society imposes on us.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:07 PM
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28. If you're going to commit civil disobedience you must also be willing to accept your penalty
I agree with that, but disagree with the orignial ruling. A judge should take motive into account.

If you shoot someone in anger, you are a murderer. If you shoot someone in self-defense, you go free.

If someone litters out of laziness, fine the crap out of them. If someone "litters" jugs of water to save a human life, give them a pat on the back. Where has all the common sense gone?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:16 PM
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31. some cases cry out for jury nullification nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 02:50 PM
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36. He's obviously a danger to society and we must be protected from people like him.
What an awful man. I wouldn't want anyone like him giving me water if I was dying of thirst.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 03:05 PM
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40. Here's a letter Staton sent to the judge to explain his position
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