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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:12 AM
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Obama to indefinitely imprison detainees without charges
Obama to indefinitely imprison detainees without charges
By Glenn Greenwald

(updated below)

One of the most intense controversies of the Bush years was the administration's indefinite imprisoning of "War on Terror" detainees without charges of any kind. So absolute was the consensus among progressives and Democrats against this policy that a well-worn slogan was invented to object: a "legal black hole." Liberal editorial pages routinely cited the refusal to charge the detainees -- not the interrogation practices there -- in order to brand the camp a "dungeon," a "gulag," a "tropical purgatory," and a "black-hole embarrassment." As late as 2007, Democratic Senators like Pat Leahy, on the floor of the Senate, cited the due-process-free imprisonments to rail against Guantanamo as "a national disgrace, an international embarrassment to us and to our ideals, and a festering threat to our security," as well as "a legal black hole that dishonors our principles." Leahy echoed the Democratic consensus when he said:

The Administration consistently insists that these detainees pose a threat to the safety of Americans. Vice President Cheney said that the other day. If that is true, there must be credible evidence to support it. If there is such evidence, then they should prosecute these people.

Leahy also insisted that the Constitution assigns the power to regulate detentions to Congress, not the President, and thus cited Bush's refusal to seek Congressional authorization for these detentions as a prime example of Bush's abuse of executive power and shredding of the Constitution.

But all year along, Barack Obama -- even as he called for the closing of Guantanamo -- has been strongly implying that he will retain George Bush's due-process-free system by continuing to imprison detainees without charges of any kind. In his May "civil liberties" speech cynically delivered at the National Archives in front of the U.S. Constitution, Obama announced that he would seek from Congress a law authorizing and governing the President's power to imprison detainees indefinitely and without charges. But in September, the administration announced he changed his mind: rather than seek a law authorizing these detentions, he would instead simply claim that Congress already "implicitly" authorized these powers when it enacted the 2001 AUMF against Al Qaeda -- thereby, as The New York Times put it, "adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies."

Today, The New York Times' Charlie Savage reports:

The Obama administration has decided to continue to imprison without trials nearly 50 detainees at the Guantánamo Bay military prison in Cuba because a high-level task force has concluded that they are too difficult to prosecute but too dangerous to release, an administration official said on Thursday.

<snip>
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Yesterday, prior to this decision being announced, I conducted a 20-minute interview with ACLU Exeuctive Director Anthony Romero regarding that group's newly released report on Obama's civil liberites record after the first year in office, pointedly entitled: "America Unrestored." I'll post that discussion later today. Additionally, I will have an analysis of the Supreme Court's obviously momentous decision in Citizens United -- invaliding restrictions on corporate and union election spending -- posted later.



UPDATE: Just to add some thick irony to all of this, today is the one-year anniversary of President Obama's Executive Order to close Guantanamo within one year -- an anniversary the administration decided to celebrate not by fulfilling its terms, but instead by announcing that the central feature of Guanatanamo -- indefinite detention with no charges -- will continue indefinitely.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2010/01/22/detention/index.html
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:20 AM
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1. unacceptable and unsupportable. nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:35 AM
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2. I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand your meaning?
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:52 AM
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3. holding people without trial indefintitely is unsupportable and unacceptable
whether it's Bush or Obama doing it.

i feel the same way about the patriot act.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:54 AM
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5. Thanks!!! me too! nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:33 PM
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10. Me 3 nt
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 01:08 PM
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14. Exactly so
I agree completely.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:54 AM
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:35 PM
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13. Kind of tough to argue here...
maybe they are avoiding it...
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:12 PM
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6. Disgusting but not surprising.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:13 PM
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7. Yeah, isn't that sad? nt
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:20 PM
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8. Unfortunate, if true.
I eagerly await the report from the task force.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:26 PM
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9. Very sad. And disappointing. n/t
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:35 PM
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11. I think Cheney just "unrec'd" your post.



K & R



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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:10 PM
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21. oh shoot, that would be a shame, oops...
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 05:11 PM by maryf
shoot might not be a wise word to use regarding that man!
:hide:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:35 PM
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12. One of my many fears under bush* was that tyranny was released it would never get back in the box.
I see nothing to indicate that Pres Obama wants to restore our freedoms so easily stolen by bush*.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 04:44 PM
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20. neither do I
nothing to indicate that at all...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 01:26 PM
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15. This is reporting based on a task force recommendation we have not seen. And there may
be other options:

Podcast Interview with Rep. Jane Harman, D-Ca.: Closing Gitmo While Continuing Indefinite Detention is ‘Trading One Black Eye for a New Black Eye’
January 22, 2010 1:42 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/01/podcast-interview-with-rep-jane-harman-dca-closing-gitmo-while-continuing-indefinite-detention-is-tr.html?nwltr=politics_ppunch_hed
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 04:42 PM
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19. Very sad that it was promised a year ago...
one would think some task force would have come up with something in that time?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 01:32 PM
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16. Doncha know? A new Bin Laden tape surfaced.... Terra! Terra! Terra!
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 01:32 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 01:34 PM
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17. And the irony, she stings
Interesting that "bin Laden tape" just happens to come out today, isn't it?

:tinfoilhat:
:fistbump:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 01:47 PM
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18. ::: hearing Alanis Morissette singing "Yes! Isn't it ironic" in her head ::::
If Bush was still President, Olbermann would include this "coincidence" with his Nexus of Politics and Terror list.

BTW... with my own :tinfoilhat: in place, I started to make up my own list in 2004, well before Keith came out with it.

And Missy Vixen! :hi: :toast:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 05:15 PM
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22. How is it they can try Hermann Goering, Rudolf Hess and Adolf Eichmann but not these guys?
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 05:16 PM by rug
Because they can't get a conviction, even in their kangaroo courts.

Spin it.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 09:11 PM
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23. K&R nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 09:41 PM
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24. Thanks!
:hi:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:47 AM
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25. Does this minimize Bush's guilt? Or does it actually create a legal argument against Bush?
I have to wonder if Obama isn't getting legal advice that says if he lets the prisoners go that it legally frees Bush.

I know, it's a crazy thought. But it's crazy times.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:56 AM
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26. *****"an administration official said on Thursday"***** ANOTHER NON SOURCED OBAMA HATE STORY
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:33 AM
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27. kick
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