I did a little bit of sniffing around about Stan Dai

[jmowreader]

According to the liberal blogosphere, Stan Dai is the Operations Officer for the Department of Defense Irregular Warfare Program, the Assistant Director of the Intelligence Community Center for Academic Excellence at Trinity Washington University, and a known expert in the field of assassinations, overthrowing friendly and other foreign governments, and assorted black bag operations. He is currently a "freelance correspondent." He was a fellow on terrorism at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

Okay, let's put on our intelligence community hats (okay, I will put mine on and you put on some tinfoil) and look at this asshole.

He's twenty-four years old. It's possible to be an intelligence officer when you're 24, but there's a term for 24-year-old intelligence officers: "Sergeant." You won't be the "operations officer" of ANYTHING at the age of 24 when you're a college graduate (meaning you've got at most two years in the building)--you'll be doing fairly low-level shit. And it at least USED to be possible to be a known expert in the field of assassinations, governmental overthrow and black bag operations at the age of 24 but this man wasn't even alive when the Viet Cong disbanded.

The FDD terrorism fellowship is an ACADEMIC fellowship--you get to learn a little about terrorism, but you're not working any real terrorists. You can't! You don't have a security clearance! The IDD is a think tank that was formed after 9/11, so it's not very old. Their terror fellowship takes you to Tel Aviv for lectures and tours of border security checkpoints so this explains the "trained in Israel" thing.
The DoD Irregular Warfare Program is another academic fellowship, and the same strictures apply.
The Assistant Director of the ICCAE? So far as I can tell it's a real fancy name for the departmental secretary. I found the ICCAE application form; in about five places you will find "return this to Stan Dai." BTW he doesn't do that anymore and I can't find out why. Was he fired? Did he quit? Did they give him a job more in line with his capabilities and he decided being the janitor wasn't fitting for a person of his extreme background? I do not know, but he's no longer there.
So far as I can tell, the ICCAE at Trinity Washington University is kind of a fraternity for people who think being a spook sounds like fun--it "allows students to pursue the major of their choice." There are colleges who offer majors in intelligence, but this isn't one of them--Notre Dame College in Ohio has one, and it features courses like "Strategic Intelligence," "Writing for Intelligence" and "Methods of Research and Analysis." You need 12 credits in a foreign language. And you have to be a nice person to graduate: "Students...who exhibit behavior that is not conducive to ensuring employment in this field will be placed on probation or disenrolled."

Essentially we're talking a guy who has gobs of theoretical training from people who probably know as little about actually sitting rack as he does, no practical experience in the intelligence community and probably no security clearance. The high-styled way he describes what he did, and his status as a conservative minority (at the risk of sounding racist, how do you think the monumentally stupid Michelle Malkin, Star Jones and Thomas Sowell get airtime?) gets him on television. But as far as actually knowing anything about this business? I would be very surprised if he knew anything about practical intelligence work like...oh, the Cycle of Intelligence. (If you go to MI school they introduce the Cycle at the very beginning; it is critical to understanding the business. And it is right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_cycle)

And don't mention that he was caught with a listening device for a wiretap. It would take you all morning to learn everything you would ever need to know to tap any phone in America. It's simply not that hard.

[Skink]

1. If your name is Kermit however and you want to depose....

doesn't matter how old you are.:9

[Land Shark]

2. Asst Director (2d in command) of 100% Intel Commun.-funded college RECRUITMENT program

Rather than saying "secretary", given that all students who wanted to apply are urged to "Contact Stan Dai" and given faculty who provide confidential references "Contact Stan Dai" and for more information on the program as a whole or to ask questions it's "Contact Stan Dai," and given the website STILL has his name on it (especially the scholarship application) and Dai's a frequent speaker at college events (and has appeared on C-Span, Fox and other places) why don't we say this for starters:

From early in 2006 to (at minimum) just prior to the November 2008 presidential election, Stan Dai's salary was 100% funded by US intelligence services, and as Assistant Director of the Intelligence Community Center for Academic Excellence at Trinity Washington, he worked as a primary recruitment interface tasked with accomplishing program goals including recruiting as many candidates, especially those of color, to work in the Intelligence services of the United States. Whether or not he has a continuing recruitment or other relationship with the Intel community is not known, and subject to various reasonable speculations. That being said, the statement by Politico foreign service reporter to the effect that Stan Dai did NOT presently work for US intelligence based on phone calls and inquiry with US intelligence services is not dispositive of any issue one way or the other, since the CIA does not at all confirm the identity or status of all employees or assets, especially when, as could exist here, disclosure of that status could lead to investigation and exposure of intelligence networks, relationships or assets.

[jmowreader]

3. You got a link to that?

Incidentally, even if all this is true (and it well may be) it still doesn't say Stan Dai knows anything more about intelligence than how to recite a speech they taught him to say.

If you go to the building at Fort Meade, you will find several cafeterias. There are people who wash dishes in the cafeterias. They are completely innocent of any Intel Community knowledge, but their salaries are 100 percent funded by US intelligence services. Now...if one of those people were to go home tomorrow night, find her husband in bed with the next door neighbor and shoot both of them, our press would portray it as some huge Secret Squirrel Black Bag Assassination. You know they would.

I am still not convinced this guy knows jack shit about intelligence work.

[Land Shark]

6. There are various links, but perhaps this will help

The reference in the OP indicates you already have the application to be returned, whether it's a student seeking Intell Community CAE connections or a faculty reviewing an applicant or general questions: Attn: Stan Dai.

If you look at the statutory purpose of the Intelligence Community-funded program it's to recruit a talent pool of skills with special preference on minorities and languages, as well as foreign travel experience. Since Dai was born in China then became a US citizen I presume but don't know that he has language skills and foreign travel experience or at the very least an ability to converse knowledgably about them

The key word in my reply, which is not a bold claim at all in my book, is "recruit" or "recruitment." It's simply a common sense description of what they are doing at the IC CAE given the statutory command to do so. The most readily available metaphor is the military recruiter, only it's for the CIA. Does that mean he's an intelligence genius? Nope. It's a sales job. Does that mean he's currently on an IC payroll? Nope, but we don't know, and can't know, that he's NOT. Does that intrigue me beyond all pale? Nope, I think his past work as a recruiter is more than enough to raise the issue of his present contacts and involvement.

Although I can't rule out intelligence involvement here (not for purposes of a professional job but for others...) I'm not trying to prove that either. Just like Flanagan's the son of a US attorney provides an interesting connection, Dai's interesting connection is that he was recruiting college and high school students to fill the pools of applicants for intelligence agencies. It's undeniable that's true given the panels and colloquia he was organizing.

What does it mean? Could mean good recruiter gone bad, could mean some past contact urged him to get together with O'Keeffe, i don't know. It's not up to us to let attitude or speculation control an investigation, if that's what we're doing. I'm not investigating myself, but nevertheless I don't agree with the characterization that Stan Dai, Phi BEta Kappa, is a dumb guy or an intelligence newbie in all regards.. Most of the colloquia he organized and/or spoke at were "by a grant from the Office of the Director of National intelligence (ODNI)" or a sister agency.

Since you asked for a link, but I don't think one is needed given what you already have, I'll just give you the statutory purpose link that explains the IC CAE and makes it crystal clear that recruitment of a talent pool for intel is the core mission. Hopefully the link matches the text since I got to run now and can't check:

“The provision is intended to develop programs that will enhance ethnic and cultural diversity throughout the Intelligence Community through the recruitment of individuals with diverse ethnic and
cultural backgrounds, skills, and language proficiency.”
Public Law 108-177, Section 319
http://www.trinitydc.edu/programs/intel_center/IC%20CAE%20GuidanceProcedures%20April05%20seal.pdf

Also the intel community's purposes, expanding upon the intent of the above and related statutes, is stated in several sections, but section 1 includes recruitment, parts 3 and 4:

I. Develop relationships at universities and colleges with IC CAE in support of national security imperatives; then institutionalize the IC CAE program.
1. Appoint a IC CAE Program Director to lead, direct and coordinate the development and implement the Community-wide IC CAE effort.
2. Institutionalize a systematic long-term program at universities and colleges to recruit and hire eligible talent for IC agencies and components.
3. Increase the pipeline of students (potential employees) with emphasis on women and ethnic minorities in critical skill areas, core business functions and leadership positions.

Bottom line: While I make no claim as to his intel expertise, at the same time I don't think we can consider him unschooled, personally. The NOLA deal appears unschooled, sure. But if the purpose was to give citizen watchdog journalists a bad name it was a bit of a masterful job. I don't attribute that intent to Dai either. All I'm saying is that it's fair to say he recruited talent for intelligence agencies for at least two years, ending apparently just prior to the 2008 election.

[Land Shark]

21. Best way to characterize Trinity years is "Recruiter of students for Intel Agencies"

As to what he is now, nobody knows for sure, and we probably can't know. IC denials aren't proof per se unless we can rule out undercover status of any kind. Wouldn't it be a crime to reveal who's an agent? Even if operating domestically? I think it probabably would be even with limits on domestic operations.

[LuckyLib]

4. Just exactly what the hell is Trinity Univ Washington?

This guy's credentials don't pass the smell test. Wa-a-a-a-a-y too young to be the boss of anything related to intelligence.

[jmowreader]

7. Trinity Washington University is a very old Catholic women's college

Reading the Wikipedia description:

This institution has eight buildings: the Main Hall, the gym, the library, a science building, the building with the chow hall in it, two residence halls and the chapel. They have an enrollment of 2000 students. They play seven relatively cheap sports at the D3 level--basketball, cross country, lacrosse, soccer, swimming, tennis and volleyball.

Now this gets interesting...http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/index_page2.html says the ICCAE closed at Trinity in October 2008 after its one-year grant ran out, which indicates the Office of the Director of National Intelligence realized they weren't getting value for money.

[formercia]

12. It takes a while before anyone is allowed to go solo

I have doubts over his bona fides, but again, if he were running a cell, it would compute that his handlers would want to downplay his importance.

[eleny]

5. A guy with an embroiderd resume

k&r

[newtothegame]

8. On the internetz? n/t

[jmowreader]

9. It helps to know how to read between the lines

No one who's 24 is going to have all the experience Dai claims to have.

[glitch]

14. Tell that to all the young Regent's University grads given responsible positions in the Bush DOJ.

I think formercia nailed it upthread. But then my tin is strong. :evilgrin:

[jmowreader]

18. On Regent University...tell me about it!

The thing is, you didn't HAVE to know what you were doing to hold a responsible government position in the Bush administration and it was usually better if you didn't. Good Job Brownie would have spent the war shoveling horse shit in Louisiana if competence was Bush's watchword. Since fealty was Bush's word, Brownie fit right in. As to the Regent grads...exactly how much legal experience do you really need to select prosecutors when the only things they're concerned about are (1) how much do you love Jesus and (2) how long have you been in the Federalist Society?

[glitch]

19. 3) and are you loyal, and we mean really loyal? Would you give your life for your liege? nt

:puke:

[jmowreader]

20. That too.

And an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope!

[Oilwellian]

10. Some interesting info

The Leadership Institute: The Group That Helped Launch The Conservative Careers Of Two Alleged Phone Tamperers

We know that at least two of the young men charged in connection with attempts to tamper with Sen. Mary Landrieu's office phones led conservative college newspapers that received seed money from The Leadership Institute. But what's the Leadership Institute?

On its website, the nonprofit boasts that it "prepares conservatives for success in politics, government and the news media." It's trained more than 79,000 students over the years, and employs 58 people. The group is led by longtime Republican player Morton Blackwell, who was elected to the RNC's executive committee in 2004.

The Leadership Institute says it "actively supports the entire conservative community" and makes its list of 25,000+ "LI-trained conservative activists and students" available to other conservative groups.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/the_leadership_institute_the_group_that_helped_lau.php#more

The sources of the Leadership Institute's funding remain somewhat mysterious. But we do know that Morton Blackwell trained Karl Rove:

In 1979, Rove trained at Morton Blackwell’s Leadership Institute. Its slogan: “For conservatives who want to win.” Blackwell helped co-found the influential Christian Right Moral Majority as well as the highly secretive and far-right Council for National Policy.

http://wakeupandsaveyourcountry.com/kudzufiles.htm

CNP membership is a conspiratorial who's who: Ollie North, John Singlaub, Pat Robertson, J. Peter Grace, and so on. (Erik Prince's mom is also on board.) The CNP receives a lot of its money from the Moonies, and also appears to have ties to the Scientologists. Along with Blackwell, CNP co-founders included some bona-fide kooks -- Illuminati-spotter Tim LaHaye and Glenn Beck's spirit guide, Cleon Skousen. (Skousen thought that Wall Streeters are commies.)

Just as Watergate allowed us a glimpse at things that were far more important than a third-rate burglary, the Landrieu incident allows us to peek in on a phenomenon which is much more important than the attempt to bug a senator. The far-right networks which achieved such astonishing success in the 1980s understand the need for new blood. The superstars of the Reagan era have aged; many are downright ancient. And so the gray-haired eminences are hiring 20-somethings to do some dirty work. If those jobs are done well, the 20-somethings will rise within the system.

Wiretappers O'Keefe and Robert Flanagan also work for another right-wing pressure group called the Pelican Institute, which wants to replace Medicaid with vouchers for private insurance. Again, the funding is mysterious.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-watergaters-spooks-and-bucks.html


About the intelligence center where Mr. Dai was an assistant director:

Intelligence Community Center of Academic Excellence (ICCAE)

Through the academic partnerships that are being fostered by the Centers of Academic Excellence (CAE) program, we are building, recruiting, and hiring people with diverse backgrounds, skills, and language proficiencies that are not currently well-represented in today's Intelligence Community. The work done by the CAE program is not just to the benefit of the Intelligence Community; these students are helping to keep America safe, and for that I am thankful.

Director of National Intelligence


The Intelligence Center of Academic Excellence was established in the Fall of 2004 with a grant from the United States Intelligence Community as a pilot program with the goal of increasing the pool of eligible applicants for positions in the community. Each year, the ICCAE at Trinity holds a colloquium, which is open to the public, and features speakers and panelists from throughout the Intelligence community.

http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Trinity_Washington_University#Intelligence_Community_Center_of_Academic_Excellence_.28ICCAE.29

Who are the academic partners?

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) IC Centers of Academic Excellence (CAE) Program Office establishes long term partnerships with Academia for the IC to help meet the requirements articulated in the authorities.

Providing competitively awarded grants to universities to establish programs in national security studies through their unique disciplines of study will create a new diverse talent pool from which the intelligence community can recruit.

All universities:
Develop or enhance curriculum to build the skill sets needed in the IC professions
Conduct pre-collegiate outreach in their geographic regions
Host a colloquium with consortium universities to heighten IC issues and careers
Send at least ten "IC Scholars" abroad to obtain language and cultural awareness or immersion experiences
Provide end of grading period reports for oversight and compliance of all program requirements

Present Universities:
California State University San Bernardino (CSUSB)
Clark Atlanta University (CAU)
Florida International University (FIU)
Norfolk State University (NSU)
Tennessee State University (TSU)
Trinity University (TU)
University of Texas El Paso (UTEP)
University of Texas Pan American (UTPA)
University of Washington (UW)
Wayne State University (WSU)

New Academic Institutions Selected

Through the 2009 Broad Agency Announcement (BAA) process, the ODNI has competitively selected seven new academic partners for academic year 2009-2010. In addition to the current ten academic institutions (listed on the Institutions page) and the requirements listed above, these new institutions will be conducting research in IC related areas. These institutions include:

Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University, Tallahassee, FL
Miles College, Birmingham, AL
University of Maryland, College Park, MD
University of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE (in a consortium with the University of Nebraska Omaha, Creighton University, and Bellevue University)
University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, Blacksburg, VA (in a consortium with Howard University, Washington, DC)

http://www.dni.gov/cae/

Who developed this program?

Proteus USA. In order to formalize the effort and continue the momentum of the first
consortium, in October 2005, the National Intelligence University, Office of the Director
of National Intelligence and the Center for Strategic Leadership, U.S. Army War College
established Proteus USA to focus on examining uncertainty, enhancing creativity,
gaining foresight, and developing critical analytical and decision making processes to
effectively provide insight and knowledge to future complex national security, military
and intelligence challenges.

Proteus USA’s overall goal is to become a relevant and value-added umbrella and
catalyst organization to promote related work in this area. The Group’s focus areas are
listed below:
 Educational Exercises/Experiential Learning. This area examines course work,
computer assisted learning, role playing games and simulations that new “futures”
concepts and methods on “critical and out of the box” thinking.
 Analysis and Decision Support. This area looks at the application of new novel and
innovative processes in intelligence analysis, decision making and planning at the
strategic and operational levels.
 Future Research and Publication. This area promotes the study of new concepts
and applications for identifying future threats and capitalizing on opportunities.
To operationalize these focus areas, Proteus USA has developed a series of initiatives
and established the following programs:
 Annual Future Academic Workshops: bringing together experts from the
communities of interest to share ideas.
 A funded Proteus Monograph Series Fellows Program (PMSFP): collecting the
newest ideas.
 Publications: showcasing members work and developing workshop reports and
digests, papers, articles and quarterly newsletters.
 An informative website for research and sharing Information:
https://www.carlisle.army.mil/proteus/
 Proteus Writing Excellence Award (PWEA): encouraging graduate level writing.
 “Futures” Intelligence curricula development: educating at all levels on how to face
future complexity, change and uncertainty.
 Academic and Educational Outreach: sponsoring other educational research
projects, symposia and related events.
 Complexity Gaming Enterprise and Game Development: exploring the use of
educational role playing simulations to better understand complexity which
includes enhancing the capabilities of the “Protean Media Critical Thinking Game”.

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/proteus/docs/proteus-info-paper.pdf

It's rather obvious Mr. Dai recruits/recruited college students (under the guidance of the Army War College) for our intelligence communities. When you consider the extreme right wing and christian right connections of the other players in the Landrieu caper, and Mr. Dai's connection to the intelligence community and U.S. military, well, I smell a stinking nest of no good. This is a clear example of the insidious infiltration of our military and intelligence communities, by extreme right wing and christian right groups. We should all be asking how Dai & O'Keefe hooked up.

[MinM]

11. Ladies, meet your new gender diversity coordinator, Mr. Angry Penis

Lindsay Beyerstein debunked some of Dai's claims a few days ago...

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2010/01/ladies-meet-your-new-gender-diversity-coordinator-mr-angry-penis.html

Stan Dai, one of the four Republican operatives arrested this week for allegedly plotting to tamper with Sen. Mary Landrieu's telephones, is a bit of a self-styled spook, at least in his own mind. His resume features some relatively junior administrative gigs with programs sponsored by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Defense. He also liked to publicly hold forth on terrorism, intelligence, and surveillance in videos and in before the Junior Statesmen of America.

You can rest easy, Laura Rozen was able to confirm that Dai never worked directly for a U.S. intelligence agency. Rather, he worked for programs supported by grants from these organizations. As far as we know, he never claimed otherwise. But he certainly got a lot of mileage out of his job titles including Assistant Director for the Intelligence Community Center for Academic Excellence at Trinity Washington University and Operations Officer for a DOD fellowship on irregular warfare. Dai's resume also lists him as having been an undergraduate fellow at the right wing Center for the Defense of Democracies. I called the Center to confirm this claim. A spokeswoman explained that the fellowship was a summer enrichment program for college students, which Dai completed in 2004.

So, what is an Intelligence Community Center of Academic Excellence? Mark Hosenball of Newsweek reports that the ODNI gives grants to universities to attract more women and minority students to intelligence work.

Stan Dai, as you will recall is the author of the Penis Monologues, a satire of the Vagina Monologues in which Dai's penis reacts with fury at being invited to a performance of the VM. (Quoth Dai: "MY PENIS IS ANGRY!!!!!!! You want to know what happened to my penis? Joan happened to my penis!")...

[Quantess]

24. 4 incredibly unattractive young men.

They sure lost the odds in that department.

[hedgehog]

13. Thanks for taking the time to lay all this out. It matches what I

found in the little time I had, and goes well beyond.

My take: Intelligence agencies in this country are apparently recruiting right wingers to dabble in domestic politics. Now the question is, are all their recruits this stupid, or is it jut the stupid ones that've gotten caught?

[jmowreader]

16. Give me a couple months and I'll have a good answer to that one

What I think ACTUALLY happened:

We know James O'Keefe is a shit stirrer with no moral compass whatsoever--remember, this is the fucker who had his girlfriend make herself up as a ho to try to entrap ACORN. Before I was married I dated occasionally, and I can just imagine the reaction if I had suggested one of those women go out in public dressed as a hooker. (Let's just say I wouldn't have had to worry about dating again...)

We also know he's kind of the darling of the right. So...if the RW wanted for WHATEVER reason to interfere with Mary Landrieu's phone system they would get this guy. Little Jimmy knows lots of RW tools, and there's this one who just happens to be the next James Bond. Off they go to Radio Shack for the shit they're going to need.

Unfortunately for him but fortunately for us, Stan Dai is just as incompetent in the ways of covert operations as I say he is,

Note to the Right: Next time you decide to do something this illegal, stupid and crazy, PICK UP A FUCKING FLOOR TILE AND CRAWL IN!

[starroute]

15. I'd like to know more about Dai's family and origins

In googling on Stan Dai, I came up with one anonymous post somewhere saying he was foreign-born. I don't know if that's true, but it got me trying to check out his background -- and unlike the other members of this conspiracy, there are no mentions at all of his family in any newspaper stories. There are quotes from people who knew him in high school, but that's it.

So I started trying to find out who his parents were, and it seems there are a number of people named Dai in Lisle, IL (where he's from) and Naperville (the neighboring community where he attended high school).

If you look at the various free people and address lookups online, the name Stan Dai shows up in connection with Yuan Xiong Dai, age 51, who's lived at addresses in both Lisle and Napersville. Sometimes Yuan is shown as a possible relative or associate of Li-Wen T. Dai, age 50, also in Lisle and Napersville. Since Li-Wen is a female name, my guess is they're Stan's parents -- but that's only a guess.

So I have several questions. First, why is Stan Dai's family never mentioned anywhere? Second, if his parents are foreign born (as seems likely), how would that impact his relationship to the intelligence community and ability or lack of ability to get a security clearance? And third, was this minority recruiting program partly an effort to bring in specifically Chinese students for what would seem to be obvious intelligence reasons?

[jmowreader]

17. The second one first

Foreign-born parentage isn't that hard to get around if they can prove your relatives are loyal to the US. One of the best analysts we had in Berlin was born in the German Democratic Republic, and his mom defected with him in 1960.

I can't answer the first one, although it's interesting to think about. Why ARE they hiding Dai's family?

I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN9SoAD7Zo8. It pretty much confirms my suspicions: Stan Dai is full of shit.

Dai claims "terrorism has nowhere to go but up because no one in human history has ever fought to lose." No. Stan, you really, really don't fucking understand terrorism. There are two kinds: state sponsored terrorism (think the Sandinistas or the Taliban), where the government has decided it's cheaper to fund terrorists than to raise an army; and criminal terrorists (al Qaeda, Baader-Meinhof...) which are just what they sound like. You fight state-sponsored terrorists by making terrorism a very expensive way to wage war--Tomahawk missiles are good for getting your point across. Criminal terrorists are dealt with the same as any other criminal--turn the populace against them, have decent citizens apply peer pressure to influence the non-dedicated criminals not to do whatever it is you don't want them to do, then use police work to round up the really bad guys. Terrorism in Europe ended because we caught all the terrorists. Drunken driving went down so drastically after MADD got into it they had to tighten up the laws to keep the bucks flowing in. OTOH, alcohol prohibition failed because drinking is fun and people like doing it. It is possible to end terrorism. Ask the French, Germans, Italians, British...

Dai also talks about "sustainable development" as a way of fighting terrorism. Wrong answer again. Al Qaeda isn't out there blowing shit up because Mosul needs a sewage plant. They are blowing shit up because GHWB built an Army base in Saudi Arabia and Osama is still pissed about that. Garry Trudeau hit the nail on the head several years ago: BD and his Iraqi interpreter were on patrol, and BD asked the interpreter why Iraqis fought each other. The interpreter pointed at a house and said "the people who own that house killed two of my family's relatives, and we are punishing them for it." Turns out they did it in 1562. As simplistic as this will sound, if we do two things we can end this crap. First, we must find a respected Islamic Scholar who can go through the Koran and figure out the place where Allah says terrorism is a bad thing. (The best thing would be to have him place a fatwa on the head of every member of Al Qaeda.) Second, we must take the people who now are convinced Allah doesn't want them out there blowing shit up and have them help us go out and kill all the AQ terrorists we can. Don't get me wrong: They NEED sustainable development. They need an industry besides oil. (Iran has a car industry. The Samand car they make is decent--and the commercial is a riot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZTrk6Ke368) But if they try sustainable development without getting a good start on the terrorists, the terrorist problem will remain AND they will start running around blowing up the sustainable development.

I would never be able to work against terrorists if fuckers like Stan Dai are running the effort--I believe in "what works" instead of "what will make the most noise and cost the most money."

Now let's talk the third one. They want Chinese speakers to become intelligence professionals because they already speak Chinese--one of the hardest languages for a Westerner to learn.

[Hannah Bell]

25. lisle:

In July 2007, Lisle was ranked #20 in Money magazine's list of "100 Best Places to Live."<2>

In July 2009, Lisle was ranked #17 in Money magazine's list of "Best Places for the Rich and Single".<3>

According to a 2007 estimate, the median income for a household in the village was $71,570, and the median income for a family was $89,264. Males had a median income of $56,151 versus $37,104 for females. The per capita income for the village was $35,693. About 1.7% of families and 3.6% of the population were below the poverty line, including 3.2% of those under age 18 and 8.4% of those age 65 or over.


i was wondering whether dai might be vietnamese-chinese, & his parents here in the vietnamese diaspora following the war.

[undeterred]

22. "Irregular Warfare Program"

What the hell.

[JackRiddler]

23. Thank you... Please check out the Stan Dai compilation thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7578398

This needs to be seen in context. 22 other of these new kind of on-campus CIA recruitment stations were set up with taxpayer money in the last four years, although Trinity's interestingly was the first. Trinity's at least became a magnet for neocons and conservative movements, which brought in the thinktank and foundation money from that corner. I can imagine that's exactly what happened elsewhere, we shall see. They did dirty tricks politics already while in these programs, you can read of examples in the thread above. I think Stan Dai and O'Keefe and Wetmore and their friends are the cutting-edge risk takers who caught caught, within a much larger phenomenon of campus-based right-wing political disruption groups financed by the neocon money and through this CIA recruitment program. I don't care how ridiculous or incompetent they may be, or their trainers at the Pentagon in "irregular warfare." The first attribute that matters here is not their professionalism at spook craft - a sector of the government that by definition engages in illegalities and will subvert democracy - but the fact that they're engaging in organized deceptive political subversion and, in this case, alleged felonies.