***OFFICIAL DEBATE THREAD 7*****

[The empressof all]

# 6 IS HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x764237

[RL3AO]

1. Thanks

[bdamomma]

2. thanks empress of all, you're very good with the threads.

[Wetzelbill]

3. unfortunately BW we have a dim bulb moderating the debate

[valerief]

8. and another dim bulb running the country

[Wetzelbill]

16. Rimshot!!!!

[Bicoastal]

4. What WAS wrong w/Obama's tree answer?

[Wetzelbill]

a dick for a moderator was the problem

:)

[LSK]

5. DK calls out Obama on all options on the table regarding Iran

[LSK]

11. Obama sounds like hes cheerleading the "threat" of Iran

[glaeken777]

6. the real problem with this debate

is that there's eight of them. It reduces this to trite questions and replies...

I'd rather see 2 mini-debates among four people with expanded answer allowances. Participants in each would be chosen by lot.

[Deb]

Gravel- "Who the hell are we going to nuke?"

I do so love having this man up there.

[halobeam]

7. Obama gets more time...

I hope someone is counting the inaccuracies in the time given each candidate.

[NightWatcher]

15. he;s laying the groundwork for his support of an Iran attack

boo

[MadBadger]

63. He did no such thing

Just because you will not take any options off the table, doesnt mean you are supporting an attack on Iran.

[MazeRat7]

9. DK speaks the truth... WORD !!!! -nt

[Colobo]

10. Williams is an asshole: "I'm talking lightbulbs..."

[AlCzervik]

14. he is a giant asshole.

[derby378]

112. He has a point...

Anyone can show up at an Earth Day rally. Doing something at home is a little different.

[goodhue]

It IS disputed!

[Wetzelbill]

12. "provocative" "dichotomous" Dennis lost the W vote

but he was a hard sell anyway. :)

[Solly Mack]

13. gimme oil or gimme death...as long as other people are doing the dying

[RL3AO]

17. WOW!

[valerief]

18. I love Gravel. He said "Bejesus!" nt

[DesertRat]

26. LOL

[Bicoastal]

36. Next, "consarn it," and "hornswoggle", dagnabbit!!

[tridim]

69. He's the Admiral Stockdale of this debate.

Except he's smart.

[Solly Mack]

19. YES!!! LMAO who the hell are we gonna nuke?

[goodhue]

20. who we gonna nuke!

[MazeRat7]

21. Gravel... SNAP!!!!

[MazeRat7]

32. .

[valerief]

39. That would make a great news headline for this debate. nt

[ecstatic]

22. Uggh. I hate all this war talk nt

[malta blue]

23. "Who the hell are we gonna nuke???"

:applause:

[MadBadger]

24. Say Your Wife JOHN

[MadBadger]

37. delete

[valerief]

25. This is the Jesus question, Edwards. nt

[goodhue]

27. oh lord

[bigwillq]

28. Bad pause for Edwards

[cgrindley]

43. What a lame-oid

That was a crappy crappy crappy answer.

[Moochy]

Honestly though what is a good answer?

It was a bad pause, but I bet others would have been similarly stumped.

[ChiciB1]

49. Better A Pause That A BLURT!! n/t

[BlueStater]

113. The question was stupid to begin with n/t

[ecstatic]

29. wow. Edwards blew it with this one. nt

[jannyk]

57. I thought the opposite. Because he appeared thoughtful

and didn't give a 'canned' reply. What the fuck was he supposed to say?

[cgrindley]

91. Naw, he appeared trapped (nt)

[Exultant Democracy]

30. Say Wife!

[AlCzervik]

40. ding ding ding.

[LSK]

42. yeah, he missed it

[chimpymustgo]

71. He thought about it. Then hit it OUT THE PARK!

Of course, his wife was the quick easy answer. But I like what he did with that. He showed us more than we were expecting.

[fooj]

107. I believe Edwards to be a sincere and thoughtful man.

It didn't surprise me in the least that he would pause for a moment to reflect on that question. Honestly, I wouldn't expect ANYONE to answer that immediately.

[Moochy]

108. Exactly

Its a hard question even if you are not in a lighting round debate format.

[GreenArrow]

97. Say Jesus!

He looked like Bush the time he was asked about his mistake and W said he couldn't think of any.

[AlCzervik]

31. ok it's God time----blech.

[LSK]

33. I want to see DK and Obama debate Iran for an hour

Dammit!!

[IChing]

34. The jesus question......Brian Williams is still an asswipe.

[Wetzelbill]

35. it appears he is about to headbutt Obama

[jannyk]

38. WTF? Moral leader question !!!

[AlCzervik]

44. thats code for God.

[Solly Mack]

41. oh fer fucks sake

here comes god

[Bicoastal]

46. When it comes to God-fearing America, you just can't fight the numbers.

[Solly Mack]

52. or the ignorance

[glaeken777]

that was a painful silence on the moral question

but Edwards recovered very well. I think he was trying to figure out how NOT to phrase an answer that would remind people of *'s idiot answer to the same question in 2000.

[Solly Mack]

88. Yes, he recovered

[Cameron27]

60. ROFL they've always got to drag god into it.

[Solly Mack]

81. it's like a shield

[ecstatic]

45. good answer Clinton nt

[Colobo]

47. Edwards blew it sooo bad...

[ChiciB1]

59. Not!! Just Took His Time... Fine With Me?

What would YOU say?? Oh, God is my LEADER... that ALWAYS works, but he wanted to think about it, I would too!

[winga222]

61. For us cube rats

what did he blow?

[dancingme]

72. yes he did

he should have immediately said "my wife" and talked about how inspiring she is.

[dancingme]

83. Dennis's wife is SO much taller than him!

[malta blue]

48. WALMART???

:wtf:

[robinlynne]

53. her state. arkansas.

[MN ChimpH8R]

Corporatist Hillary dances and dodges

on this one. Big surprise.

And what is up with this asshat moderator. He BLOWS REPUKE GOATS.

[DURHAM D]

87. Not in my view. Answered very clearly. n/t

[Wetzelbill]

50. wow, Edwards... I thought I lost the feed for a second

[glaeken777]

68. Biden and happy talk

Wow.

Why not just say, "Get a haircut you fuckin hippies!"

[blogslut]

95. lol

:)

[Wetzelbill]

99. yeah no kidding

[MadBadger]

51. You cannot take all options off the table ever. That doesnt mean we are going to attack

[bdamomma]

54. Gravel is vocal alright

he's right though, we have the most of nuclear weapons, kind of hypocritical we tell everyone to get rid of theirs, and we have ours.

Walmart?? question, this is not a game show you know Brian, this is supposed to be serious.

[IChing]

90. Gravel has shown the most passion and made the debate interesting

but this debate format sucked and Brian Williams is still an ass-wipe.

It really didn't get me interested by the stupid questions
but it did introduce me to Gravel . I think everyone except Richardson and Dodd did OK.

[fooj]

109. Me, too.

That is...introduce me to Gravel. He certainly spoke his mind. I liked him.

[DesertRat]

55. From moral compass to Walmart? WTF!?

[halobeam]

56. GRAVEL...GO GO GO GO...Who we gonna Nuke????

Handed Obama a problem lol and GOOD.

[Wetzelbill]

58. My moral leader is free market, warmonger Jesus!!!!

[AlCzervik]

62. good, i'm also in my waning moments and fuck you again Williams, we aren't going

anywhere.

[seasat]

64. Did her accent just thicken when answering the Walmart question.

I used to use that tactic when I was in traveling sales. I'd intensify my GA accent to match the customer's.

[MazeRat7]

65. if WE go down a 3rd time... you all will have to visit me on a mountain in NM -nt

[Cameron27]

66. Go Biden, man he's cooking tonight.

[ecstatic]

67. And Biden slams Kucinich and Gravel... "happy talk" nt

[MedleyMisty]

77. And lost any support he may have had from me with it

Sorry, not into killing.

[Moochy]

85. Yeah no kidding

:mad:

[halobeam]

94. Happy Talk? That pissed me off....how he twisted what they said

out of context. He lost me right there. Yes, we need to intervene in behalf of being being genocided, and that was not the context in which Dennis was speaking.

Biden = politics as usual, dirty.

[dennis4868]

80. Yes Biden....

Lets fucking bomb the whole god damn world and enough of this happy talk! :-(

[robinlynne]

70. unebleievabel question. the dems haven't lost yet!!!!!!! stolen elections!

[cal04]

73. thanks The empressof all

for all the threads

[Bicoastal]

74. It's OVER?!?!

I thought we just started!

[kiahzero]

75. Excellent final answer by Biden (n/t)

[DURHAM D]

96. Amen - the happy talk comment will be on the news tomorrow. n/t

[lonestarnot]

76. Thanks

:applause:

[MazeRat7]

78. That was horrid... but I'm liking Richardson, Biden, and Edwards in that order... -nt

[Wetzelbill]

79. I'm Brian Williams ... that concludes... oh who cares.

[Bicoastal]

82. Chris better not go easy on the Republicans...

[fooj]

115. I'll be watching. I thought the very same thing!

[GreenArrow]

84. Man, is Edwards smug

or what? He's really hard to watch.

[LSK]

92. huh???

[GreenArrow]

101. watch him with the sound off

the guy is totally scripted and full of himself. Smug is the word. And the way he talks out of one side of his mouth...ugh. I know he's beloved on here, but I don't trust him.

[fooj]

111. That's HOW the man speaks. I suppose it's all relative.

One person's perception of smug is another person's perception of sincere/thoughtful.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

104. Maybe for you, definitely not for me. eom

[michaz]

110. I totally disagree!!

[LSK]

86. Elizabeth Edwards just embraced DK

[bdamomma]

89. other than Brian, I think they did good.

here we go with the spin, at least Keith is there.

[Iwasthere]

93. I'm voting for DK at msnbc

[Moochy]

102. Linkage!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18335732/

[mloutre]

98. Just one otter's opinion, but...

Hillary needs to fire her fashion consultants. She's in a stern drab gray suit with a pearl choker and coupled with her too-stern facial expressions that makes her look like Cotton Mather. Obama has great posture and a really great tie. Edwards, astonishingly enough, has a great haircut but his facial expressions make him seem more natural & at ease than many of the others do. Kucinich is coming across as very thoughtful, prepared, & extremely relevant. Biden is coming across quite well, as is Bill Richardson. Dodd seems very solid, well worthy of his place on the stage. Senator Gravel seems like the requisite huh? say wha? representative of the old school fuddy-duddy type of politician, definitely not a 21st century guy.

My shallow surface impressions of them is that Hillary seems very arrogant, hectoring, pedantic. Edwards & Obama both seem like very viable candidates for President, I'm glad they're both running, that makes it a really good run for the roses. I'm also glad Dodd & Biden are in the Senate and I hope they both will continue to be influential there. Richardson would make a very good cabinet officer. Kucinich is much more real & definitely more salient than his characterizations in the field might indicate. And Mike Gravel needs to retire at the end of his current term.

That's just one otter's opinion, though. Your Mileage May Very.

[krkaufman]

100. Holy Crap!! Brian Williams accuses "many" of the Dem candidates of corruption.

I just started watching the debate, and was ASTOUNDED at Brian Williams' phrasing of his question to Obama, regarding unethical ties to a contributer:

"Aren't you practicing the kind of politics that many others on this stage have engaged in?"

WTF?!?! Did Williams just accuse the Dem candidates of Abramoff/Delay-type politics?!? Pixxes me off that Obama, nor any of the other candidates, called Williams on the slur. (The little lies begin to drop.)

If this was NBC, I'd hate to see a Faux News-moderated debate.

p.s. The question was around the 18-minute mark, from the start of the broadcast.

[DURHAM D]

103. I wish someone would watch the replay with a stop watch

and figure out how many minutes (questions) Brian wasted talking about the format, time running rapidly, and all of the other please look at me shit. What an arrogant ass.

[halobeam]

106. Oh I whole-heartedly agree

what Fox did, was call GE and got the Dem back. These questions and format robbed all of us of a real debate.

Disgusting.

[fooj]

114. You aren't the only one who caught that!

:grr:

It was disgraceful.

[krkaufman]

118. Have any of the pundits mentioned it? Disgraceful is right.

Someone needs to write Williams and ask for an correction and apology on the NBC Nightly News.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

105. I asked my completely unpolitical unbiased husband, "Who won?"

His answer; "Hillary."

He opines that she gave the strongest and to the point answers to the questions.

[krkaufman]

116. Standard "reform" response Dems need to learn...

The first step in reforming the government is getting the out-of-control, Republican Party out of the Executive Branch, and restore accountability. Whether the Democratic nominee is myself or anyone else on this stage, it is imperative that we return transparency and accountability to the White House and all of the Executive Branch -- as has been shown to be all the more pressing in the past few weeks.

[krkaufman]

117. Proper response to Williams' framing of "Model Supreme Court justice" question ...

... would be to tell Williams that framing the question/response to choosing one of the existing court members is an illegitimate frame. The Supreme Court has been so overloaded with far-Right idealogues that the Supreme Court no longer represents the viewpoints of mainstream America.

Thank you, Mr Williams, but I'll select my model justice from the pool of all our justices.

[krkaufman]

119. When asked how the "weak on security" label has been pinned on Dems ...

... would it be so hard to tell Brian Williams that it has come about by fear-mongering, unintelligent demagogues making accusations that are echoed repeatedly by an incurious, lazy, sensationalist press until, through nauseating repetition, nonsense and lies take on the illusion of conventional wisdom?

The so-called catapulting of propaganda.