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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:01 AM
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Dick Armey and Tea Party Activists Craft 'Contract from America'
Republicans on Capitol Hill are developing an election-year alternative to the Obama administration's agenda. But a Tea Party activist in Texas says the politicians in Washington - including the out-of-power Republicans - don't have the "credibility" to offer a contract.

The first Tea Party convention kicks off with a tone of anger and confrontation.His solution? Use the Internet, develop a "Contract from America," and make the politicians come to him.

"You are going to be held accountable by us," said conservative activist Ryan Hecker, offering a preview of what Tea Party activists are going to tell congressional candidates later this year. "We have a plan - a proactive reform plan - for you to follow and not the other way around."

~snip~

To get his idea off the ground, he launched a website, "ContractFromAmerica.com," which encourages activists to offer possible planks for the contract.

From the original 1,000 ideas which were submitted, Hecker whittled it down to about 50 based on popularity. He is currently in the process of narrowing it to 20 ideas. He is being aided in this process by former House Republican Leader Dick Armey, whose conservative group, FreedomWorks, has established close ties with many Tea Party activists around the country.

When the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), convenes later this month in Washington, DC, Hecker says he will launch an on-line voting phase which will take his document from 20 ideas to the final 10 to 12 most popular.

The completed "Contract from America" will then be presented to the public on Tax Day, April 15, 2010.

~snip~
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-activists-craft-contract-america/story?id=9740705

Their 20 Highest Rated Ideas as of Feb 8, 2010 include Abolishing the Department of Education, Repealing the 16th Amendment and Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, among other things:

20 Highest Rated Ideas
Implement the Fair Tax
8787 rating

Legislation shall contain no unrelated ammendments
4479 rating

Congressional Term Limits
3956 rating

Abolish the Department of Education
3516 rating

Pass Nationwide Medical Malpractice Tort Reform
3128 rating

No lifetime salary or benefits for Congress
2971 rating

Congress shall not exempt themselves
2964 rating

An Official Language of the United States
2921 rating

Drill Here, Drill Now
2861 rating

Interstate Health Insurance Competition
2792 rating

cite Constitutional authority for creating laws
2218 rating

Repeal the 16th Amendment
2165 rating

Birth-Right Citizenship
1839 rating

Defund Activist Groups (eg: ACORN)
1779 rating

Nuclear Energy, reduce our dependance on foreign oil
1725 rating

Enforce Existing Immigration Law
1440 rating

Balanced Budget Amendment
1346 rating

Senators Should Vote "No" on "Cap and Trade"
1299 rating

Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913
1226 rating

Free Market
1171 rating



http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:TUiKFNbZHpEJ:www.contractfromamerica.com/+site:contractfromamerica.com+contractfromamerica.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:04 AM
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1. Unrecs make this less visible, and I think it's important for other DUers who may be interested
to see, so please do not unrec just because you don't like the topic
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vegiegals Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:56 AM
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12. this is good to know. thanks for the post
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:37 PM
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19. Sure, vegiegals
I think it's important to keep an eye on these folks. :hi:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:11 AM
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2. the UnFair Tax is their top idea?
Sheesh, it's like Thomas Frank said - the French Revolution in reverse. A bunch of peasants storm the Bastille and demand - huge tax cuts for the rich!!! That's their top demand?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:14 AM
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3. My head hurts just putting this post together
some of the comments at the links are particularly concerning, albeit amusing
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:09 PM
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17. some of them I can agree with
I sorta like the idea of term limits, and also the 'congress shall not exempt itself'

but the UnFair Tax?

Maybe there's a bunch of rich people secretly voting for it.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:06 PM
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16. I hope it stays there. Democrats would wipe the floor with them in 2010.
Any sane analysis of a fair tax that would be revenue neutral would show that taxes would go up for 90% of the country, because the precious deductions for dependents, mortgage interest, etc, would be gonzo.

The American people can be stupid, but I think all but the true freetards that a 'fair tax' would completely fuck over most of us.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:43 PM
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36. +1
i hope they stick with that WHOLE platform and try to defend it to the public

and people like me remember well how many of the 10 points in their last "contract" they even tried to get through...
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:55 PM
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22. I T I S P A I N F U L ...
how friggen hard these morons want to hurt themselves, and frankly, I have reached the point where I would REALLY like to see them suffer the consequences for their breathtaking stupidity ...

Unfortunately, they want to take us with them ...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:34 PM
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33. it's even sadder than the UnFair Tax was promoted by Gravel
and they will have a table at the Kansas Democratic Convention, if previous years are a guide. One of their supporters always shows up at the Wyandotte County Democrats meeting and passes out fliers.

The UnFair taxers seem to have adheremts on the left or in the center too.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:21 PM
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27. FDR had a quote on that
Something about how the wealthy and powerful always get their victims to do the fighting for them. I can't find it onhand though.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:15 AM
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4. Proving once again, that deficit spending and a 'balanced budget' aren't the driving factors.
They just don't want to pay for anything: see "Fair tax" and repeal of 16ht. amendment.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:18 AM
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5. The last thing this country needs is another Contract On America.
God, those fucking repukes have already pummeled this country into the ground. If they get back into power again, they will destroy everything.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:27 AM
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8. With Dick Armey and Freedom Works involved, I see this thing has potential for
worming its way into the established Repug party, much like Norquist's ATR pledge:

“I _____ pledge to the taxpayers of the __________ district, of the state of __________, and to all the people of this state, that I will oppose and vote against any and all efforts to increase taxes.”


The 111th Congress contains 172 Republicans in the House, and 35 Republicans in the Senate, who have signed the ATR pledge, and Norquist has counseled Republicans to oppose just about all of Barack Obama’s agenda. “Bad stuff will pass,” he advises. “Don’t have your fingerprints on it.”
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Grover_Norquist
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:21 AM
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6. They have taken out a contract on America, not a contract from America
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:21 AM
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7. They're still having trouble with prepositions, I see
It's not "with", "for" or "from," it's "on".
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:33 AM
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9. Why is it that I find populism
. . . defined by a corporate shill like Dick Armey just a wee bit Orwellian.
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:49 PM
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37. Double plus good post. n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:46 AM
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47. lol, that's an excellent way to put it!
It is Orwellian. So many of these folks parading as Tea Partiers are too ignorant to see that ~ they make great little foot soldiers, however.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:44 AM
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10. Interesting info here, thanks for this thread. n/m
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:53 AM
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11. No problem, Morning Dew
I think it's important to stay abreast of what the tea partiers (aka the Repugs, the religious right, the neocons and corporatist thugs) are up to.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:02 PM
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15. The comments in the various sections were enlightening
Plenty of careless thinking (and bad spelling) in the section on abolishing the Dept. Of Education.

Defunding Activist Groups had lots of talk of Acorn and not much on faith based initiatives.

The English as Official Language section is a total hoot - the OP there reads like satire and lots of silliness ensues.

Good stuff to be aware of, for sure.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:19 PM
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18. Yes, they are and I think we can laugh at the moment
(you're right, the English as Official Language section IS a total hoot!), but given how the Repubs are scrambling to "own" the Tea Parties, how the neocons control it, and how the Religious Right and the likes of FreedomWorks at al fund it, I'd say we better keep an eye on these folks. The Religious Right, mixing politics from the pulpit, has a fierce get out the vote.
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vegiegals Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:01 PM
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13. Congress shall not exempt themselves ... Love this one....
Congress shall not exempt themselves
By vlunn Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:06 PM


Congress shall not write any provision exempting members of Congress or persons holding any other elected, appointed or hired positions of the Federal Government from all of, or any part of, any law they enact, unless it is clearly enumerated in the text of the bill that such exemption or special circumstance is required to meet its Constitutional obligations.
Rate this idea. (575 Votes. Rating: 2858)
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 12:02 PM
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14. Do they realize the "Fair Tax" will fist them even further?
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 12:02 PM by HughBeaumont
Yes, let's lower taxes on the wealthy even more. You know, because the poor, POOR dears are just SO unfairly taxed with the LOWEST TMTR IN 75 YEARS!!! COME on guys, have a heart! How do you expect the rich to create jobs if you rob them of over 1/3 of their incomes (oh the PAIN!)??

Except there's little to no evidence that economic growth is spurned by tax cuts.

Except there's an overwhelming amount of evidence (say, for instance, ZERO NET JOB GROWTH IN TEN YEARS) that all the tax cuts for the rich did was kill the surplus and put the National Debt on the fast track to insurmountability.

So logically, Ronald Reagan, where is the shortfall going to have to be made up?

YOU guessed it. THEE and THINE. Oh yeah. Just wake your hero St. Ronnie up from his dirt nap: he raised taxes on the middle/working classes no less than 5 times during his term. That's something you don't oft hear in his swimming pool of "accolades".
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:39 PM
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20.  Dick Armey was the main author of the Contract with America.

According to his website, FreedomWorks:
By 1994, the public was disenchanted with Congress. Republicans, who were in the minority, believed that the American people were ready for a bold and dynamic legislative agenda. The result was the Contract with America, of which Armey was the main author.

The Contract was a collection of ten bills that Republicans would bring up for a vote during the first 100 days of a Republican-controlled Congress. The motto was: "If we don't keep our word, throw us out."

The Contract was a success. Republicans took control of the House for the first time in 40 years. Throughout the summer and fall, many of his colleagues and most of the press refused to take Armey seriously when he told them he was running for Majority Leader in the 104th Congress. Armey once again proved the conventional wisdom wrong. He was unopposed for the Leader's post.

Upon taking office Armey delivered the line he has repeated often since,

"The American people didn't give us power, they gave us responsibility."

The 104th was one of the most productive Congresses in recent memory. Fully 60 percent of the Contract with America was signed into law, including a historic welfare reform bill. Congress passed the first balanced budget in a generation as well as overhauls of telecommunications, farming, and health care.
http://www.freedomworks.org/about/chairman-dick-armey

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:38 PM
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51. I see several lies here
The real author of the Contract on America was Grover Norquist. Armey and Gingrich (mostly Gingrich) ran with it, but Norquist was the writer.

The Contract was successful only in that it put them in control of Congress. They only actually PASSED one of the ten items--the term limits pledge. Then they went to the Supreme Court and had it overturned the first time the president used it.

And the only reason they were able to present a balanced budget was that Clinton raised taxes enough to give them the money to do so. If the Republicans would stand back and allow the Democrats to do their jobs, that could happen again.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:47 PM
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21. What beef do they have with the dept of education?
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 03:50 PM by county worker
I think educated people scare the shit out of them.

Say you are an average working class freeptard. How do these things impact you? Well they would make serfs out of the freeptards just like they would make serfs out of the rest of us. Then I guess we would finally have something in common.

Do they have the ability to analyze these ideas and project them into the future to see what effect they would have or is it just stupid stubborn ignorance? Why do they think Dick Armey cares anything about their lives?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 04:52 PM
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23. It's about money
They don't like that it is funded by tax dollars. They also get irritated by the Dept of Ed dictating to the states. You know, like telling them they have to desegregate their schools which means their precious little children have to go to school with black children.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:16 PM
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25. Yes, they fancy themselves New Federalists or something
so the argument from them is that education should be a state issue, not the big bad federal government telling them what to do with their children. It's also a very Libertarian concept, as I understand it.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:14 PM
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24. Their main beef has been that they think the education system has a liberal bias
much like the "liberal media" {sic} meme they tout ad nauseam. But Republicans have long been opposed to increasing support for national education programs. John McCain, John Boehner, Joe Scarborough, Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay advocated abolishing the Dept of Education at one point or another.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 06:07 PM
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30. I honestly believe most of their motivation is racist
It all started in the 70s with the desegregation plans. Many were court ordered, so the wingnuts pulled out the activist judge meme. But they were (still are) adamantly opposed to court ordered desegregation. And the only logical reason is racism.

I am no Dept of Ed fan either. I am sick of the unfunded mandates. But I think the right wing opposition is much deeper.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:40 PM
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35. that idea comes from only the most powerful folks in the 'movement'
because they ultimately know that an uninformed, ignorant populace is that much easier to manipulate...and irony of ironies, the pseudo-tea crowd are walking examples of that...
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:55 AM
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48. They want to privatize education -- and the Obama administration seems
hellbent on doing that also under the "leadership" of Arne Duncan. Who is a big proponent of charter schools? Wal-Mart. Can't you just see the Wal-Martization of education?
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:19 PM
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26. Tax cuts on the rich is #1
What morons. Denying the 16th amendment is another.

point 5 & 10 will strip consumer regulations in health care

Point 15 is meaningless, since cars don't run on nuclear energy and we already have enough grid energy to supply about 150 million PHEVs.



I have a great idea for a contract with teabaggers:

1. Deprive teabaggers of medicare and social security.

2. Force teabaggers to live in a society for a short period of time (6 months or so) where they are on the economic and social fringes, to let them know what it feels like.

3. profit
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:25 PM
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28. Clowns...
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 05:48 PM
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29. That's an insult to clowns n/t
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ejbrush Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 06:16 PM
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31. Hmmm - I agree with 4 of these ideas. Does that make me 20% insane?
There's an old saying about blind pigs and acorns, and another about broken clocks, etc, etc. Four of these ideas have merit, in my opinion.

Legislation shall contain no unrelated amendments
4479 rating
Bringing simplicity and transparency to the process. Yeah, sometimes the sneaky underhanded stuff works in our favor, but it is still sneaky and underhanded.

Congressional Term Limits
3956 rating
Ya know, there are 300,000,000 people in this country. Finding somebody to step up to the plate every few years couldn't be that difficult. We accept term limits for presidents because of fears of consolidation of power, right? How much power can a 4 term senator or a 10 term congressman wield? *cough*cough*Lieberman*cough*cough.

No lifetime salary or benefits for Congress
2971 rating
Honestly, does a one term back-bencher deserve a better consolation prize than a teacher of 35 years?

Congress shall not exempt themselves
2964 rating
Unless they form themselves into a for-profit corporation, I guess. Then it would be OK.

Beyond these, it is a steaming puddle of freeper nocturnal emission. I feel dirty (not in a good way) having read the comments and associated articles.



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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 06:39 PM
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32. K & R!
I'm responding this thread, not to add any "wisdom" to it, but only to be able to add it to My Journal. I want to go through the entire thread later in greater detail.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:36 PM
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34. lol...i remember the '94 contract, and all the repub loons screaming
up and down about balancing the budget, congress needing term limits, etc...which they completely forgot about once they were sworn in...
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:53 PM
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38. That contract accomplished its purpose. n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 08:07 PM
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40. by "purpose," you must mean
"shameless empty-promise ploy to get elected"

because they hardly tried to do the big things (BBA)
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 08:15 PM
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41. Exactly. n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:58 PM
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39. Tea Party Hypocrisy
Energy. Budget Tax cuts. Lift American spirits." This was the infamous list of talking points scrawled on Sarah Palin's palm when she stood to address the first-ever Tea Party Convention in Nashville. It's fitting, given that the agenda of Palin and the movement for which she has become a tribune is short on details about how to govern the country. "Lift American spirits" is about as substantive a description of their agenda as you're likely to hear.

Such vagueness has served the movement well, allowing it to claim to be many things it is not. There has arisen in some quarters a quaint and dangerous notion that the tea party movement is an entirely new phenomenon--a bipartisan, organic channeling of broad (and rational) distrust of and disgust with America's main institutions, particularly Wall Street and Washington, which seem to have formed a perfectly closed loop of rent-seeking and self-dealing. According to Tea Party Patriots national board member Mark Meckler, "Although we are conservative in political philosophy, we are nonpartisan in approach. Both parties need to re-dedicate themselves to the principles of our founding fathers and remember that this should be the government of 'We the People' and not of special interest groups or pork-laden politics."

While the energy and outrage may be genuine and organic, we should not fool ourselves into seeing this as anything but a right-wing reactionary movement, one whose themes (jingoism, militarism and a cult of victimhood at the hands of sundry nefarious betrayers) are as old as the John Birch Society. And yet, because the details of the tea party's worldview remain obscure, it's startlingly popular with the broader public. Forty-one percent of respondents in a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll have a positive opinion of the tea party movement. According to the same poll, the Democratic Party was viewed favorably by only 35 percent. The Republican Party fared even worse with 28 percent.
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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100301/editors
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:38 PM
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44. Thanks for that, pnorman. That was a good read.
:thumbsup:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:43 AM
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45. you may want to make than an OP
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 05:12 PM
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46. I agree, I think it would make a great OP
:thumbsup:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 08:25 PM
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42. K & R! Contract ON America FROM the few FOR the wealthy!
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 08:26 PM by robertpaulsen
:kick:
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 08:34 PM
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43. Don't these people even consider the consequences ...
... of any of their proposals? Can you imagine what would happen if we had both congressional term limits and a lack of benefits for congresspeople? They'd all be owned by whoever promised to hire them after their term ended. They wouldn't vote in their constituents' interests, they'd vote in their long term employers' interests.

These folks are either mentally deficient, or want to destroy the country.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:04 AM
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49. Now we have the "Mt. Vernon Manifesto" (think Grover Norquist)
ughh, as if Armey's Contract ON America wasn't enough:

Conservative leaders gathering in Virginia Wednesday will sign on to a broad statement of principle aimed at giving a coherent framework to the grassroots energy roiling the right.

"The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant," reads a portion of the statement provided to POLITICO by its organizers. "Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead — forward or backward, up or down? Isn't this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?

"The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles," says the statement, which seeks to define those principles as "Constitutional Conservatism."

The statement marks an effort by a group of leading conservatives to put their stamp on a movement that in the past year has been overtaken by a populist uprising against the Obama administration and growing federal spending, if little else.

The statement's drafters, who will sign it near George Washington's Mount Vernon home Wednesday afternoon, include figures from differing wings of the movement: former Attorney General Ed Meese, Heritage Foundation President Edwin Feulner, Family Research Council head Tony Perkins, Media Research Center leader Brent Bozell, Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist, direct mail guru Richard Viguerie, and David Keene, the head of the American Conservative Union, sponsor of this week's Conservative Political Action Conference, with which the signing of the "Mount Vernon Statement" is meant to coincide.

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50. My take on this...long but hopefully worth it
Implement the Fair Tax and Repeal the 16th Amendment: You can kill this notion with one simple full-page ad in every newspaper in America: Put a huge, sinister-looking photo of Henry Kravis' face on it. Over the Kravis face put this text: "This is Henry Kravis. He buys companies and eliminates jobs. For this he earns $500 million a year and pays as much as $125 million in federal taxes. Under the national sales tax plan that's proposed as a replacement for income tax, he would pay $23 million in federal taxes and your taxes would go up. If you think that's a Fair Tax, you're wrong." Repealing the 16th Amendment goes here also because you can't institute the Fair Tax as it is written without eliminating the income tax, and to do so the 16th Amendment wouldn't HAVE to be repealed--it ALLOWS Congress to levy income tax but does not REQUIRE it--but they want the amendment gone anyway. Uhh...you guys know amendments of repeal can themselves be repealed, right?

No Unrelated Amendments: This SOUNDS good but it would bring Washington to a standstill, which I think is the point. I can see it for major initiatives--repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was tacked onto another bill, comes to mind--but if you're writing a defense bill that puts $150 million into bringing troops to Fort Bragg, throwing in another $2 million to upgrade the Fayetteville water plant isn't an unreasonable use of the appropriations process.

Congressional Term Limits: This would do one major thing: turn Congress into a body of people who could afford to buy their own seats. It's very expensive to run for Congress the first time, especially in a primaried election. The people who own their own congressmen don't want to buy new ones over and over. Besides...this is an effort to change Congress into a body of "citizen legislators." Fuck that. I don't want a citizen doctor. I don't want a citizen electrician. I want people who know how to take my appendix out, wire my outlets, change my clutch and get the viruses off my computer doing those things, as do you. Politics is the same way. You need very specific skills--negotiation and leadership--to get me the kind of legislation I deserve. I want PROFESSIONAL politicians doing my politicking for me, and the people who really know how to be politicians are rare individuals indeed.

It would do one minor thing: concentrate control of America into the hands of a few big-state congressmen. Anyone who's got the chops to be a good politician also has the chops to be a good corporate executive, which explains the revolving door between Congress and the corporate world. Let's consider Idaho. It hosts the headquarters of two major corporations: Micron Technology, a semiconductor company; and JR Simplot, an agricultural concern. There are quite a few small and medium companies there, but the kinds of outfits that attract the people you want to be senators just don't exist there. The same is true with places like Montana and North Dakota. Back to Idaho: They need to pull two Senators and two Representatives on a fairly regular basis to send to DC, and the people who would be good at this don't WANT to do it. I mean, you could probably go to St. Maries and drag Jack Buell (he owns one of the biggest truck lines in Idaho and he's County Commissioner for Life in Benewah County) kicking and screaming to DC, but for what? That guy is happy where he is. If you sent him to DC it would probably kill him.

Fuck term limits.

Abolish the Department of Education: You're going to have to show me a reason to do this besides "they won't let them teach the Bible!" The problem isn't that these people want THEIR children to be taught the Bible in public schools but that they want YOUR children taught it, and in the way they want it taught. There's a place in town where you can take your children to be taught the Bible. It's called a church. Take them there.

Medical Malpractice Tort Reform: I really don't think people are suing doctors because they served vanilla custard instead of chocolate at dinner. Yeah, the abusive cases are fun to talk about, but the press's insistence on running those stories camouflages the real problem--not all doctors need to be practicing. Anyone got any stories of people on dialysis because they went in to get their left kidney removed and the doctor took out the right one instead? (Which really means both came out since the left one didn't stop needing to be removed.)

No lifetime salary or benefits for Congress: Congressmen are on the Federal Employees Retirement System, and they pay into Social Security like any other federal employee--which, of course, they are. Snopes is your friend.

Congress shall not exempt itself: Well...on the laws that apply to Congress this would be fine. However! Most of the laws Congress passes can NOT apply to Congress. Imagine telling the Congress they had to obey the hours of service rules for airline pilots. Certainly all the airline pilots in Congress must follow that law...but how many airline pilots are in Congress? I would imagine the number is low-it's hard to campaign for Congress while you're flying an airplane eight hours a day.

An official language of the United States: Żeby zapewniać sprawiedliwość, oficjalny język Stanów Zjednoczonych miał być Język polski.

Drill Here, Drill Now: I'm certain the thirty drilling companies in Fort Worth would be overjoyed to know they drill neither here nor now. Why the morans who wrote the latest contract on America can't just come right out and say they want to turn the surface of ANWR into a pegboard is beyond me.

Interstate Health Insurance Competition and Free Market: Another two-fer, and easy to kill. Most people have credit cards, and most people are paying rates of interest on those cards FAR in excess of their state's usury laws. As an example, Idaho has a state usury law of 12 percent, but if an Idahoan applies for a Home Depot consumer credit card, she will probably receive a card with an interest rate of 25.99 percent or more. This is because credit card banks are allowed to charge interest according to the laws of the state they're chartered in--which naturally means all credit card banks are chartered in the most expensive states in America. The same thing will happen with health insurance--the health insurance companies will simply find the most expensive state in the nation to issue health insurance from, and relocate to it. This'll be a hell of a boon to West Virginia (the highest-rate state because coal miners are expensive to insure, and WV has a lot of them) but not so hot if you live in Hawaii (the lowest-rate state because living in paradise is good for you).

Enumerated Powers Act: if you thought America employed too many lawyers on Congressional staffs now, wait until they have to Constitutionally justify regulating things that weren't even invented when the Founding Fathers were alive. I really don't think Benjamin Franklin anticipated needing Part 101 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (it covers kites) and Jefferson never would have dreamed of writing a law covering "fuel venting and exhaust emission requirements for turbine engine powered airplanes" (part 34 of the FARs).

Birth-right Citizenship: Obama slam. They're also trying to outlaw "anchor babies."

Defund Activist Groups (ACORN): They want to remove from the Federal budget all funding for "groups and organizations." You know, until the 2008 election season none of these people ever heard of ACORN, who'd been in business for thirty years. Now they're evil incarnate? If we wrote a similar one, "Defund Faith Based Organizations" they would scream bloody murder.

Nuclear energy: There are three problems with nuclear energy that make this a nonstarter: no one wants a nuclear plant in his hometown, no one wants a nuclear waste storage site in his hometown, and no one wants them to take the waste from the plant they didn't want to the waste dump they didn't want through their hometown either. And unfortunately, EVERYWHERE is someone's hometown.

Enforce Existing Immigration Law: They don't do this now? I'm not paying out of MY hard-earned tax dollars for a Border Patrol and an Immigration Service?

Balanced Budget Amendment: We can balance the budget without an amendment. All we need to do is remove anything Republicans like from it. States can balance their budgets because the federal government subsidizes some of their needs. The Chinese subsidize the federal government's needs--at 4.5 percent yield.

Vote no on Cap and Trade: I like Cap and Trade. So does big business. The advantage of cap and trade is it gives polluters an in$entive to get their shit together.

Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913: Yesterday we went into some detail about Jonathan Krohn's vanity-press book. In it he says only conservatives are cognizant of history, which explains why they want to repeal the Federal Reserve Act. It was enacted in the wake of numerous financial panics, including the Panic of 1907 in which J.P. Morgan propped up the American banking system with his own money. J.P. Morgan is in a hole in the ground, and no one has come forth to take his place.

I can't think of anything on this list that should come to fruition.
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