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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:20 PM
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Obama is the Best We Will Get
I do not mean that in a negative way. The best presidents have actually been pretty good for the country, despite their flaws. LBJ gave us the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and Medicare. However, he was only invited to the show, because he gave his big corporate donor, Kellog Brown & Root, the quagmire in Vietnam. The U.S. ended up spending several billion (1960s) dollars to build infrastructure in that country during the Johnson administration, and KBR was the big recipient of that corporate welfare.

http://www.counterpunch.org/carter12112003.html

Bill Clinton turned the economy around and brought (short term) prosperity for some of the nation’s most oppressed citizens. However, he never held Janet Reno accountable for the massacre of civilians in Waco----an error that would end up costing him dearly when she allowed the Starr Conspiracy to move ahead.

FDR, that most laudable of presidents, who was beholden to no special interests because he was as rich as sin---people do not like to remember what he did to Japanese-Americans during World War II or how he deliberately ignored the plight of Jewish people in Europe, because fighting for non Christians was not politically expedient.

JFK entered office with the hopes of America, sick and tired of red baiting and the Cold War, riding on his head. His administration was dubbed Camelot. And yet, maybe it should have been called Denmark, as in the state in which something was rotten. How else do you explain the Bay of Pigs or the way he and his brother wiretapped Dr. King?

There never has been and there never will be a “perfect” United States president. The whole notion of perfection in an elected leader is anti-democratic, smacking of divine right---you know, that concept which Founder Tom Paine shot down so eloquently in Common Sense .

But where says some is the King of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal Brute of Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve as monarchy, that in America THE LAW IS KING. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is.


http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense4.htm

Got that? America is only as good as her laws . The president is elected to enforce those laws. We should judge his worth by how well he does that job.

The mark of a truly bad president is not failure to right injustice with a stroke of a pen. A wretched president is one who believes that he is above the law, like Richard Nixon with his illegal invasions of Cambodia and Laos and George W. Bush with his practice of legislation by administrative decree. A bad president tells his DOJ to ignore the Voting Rights Act and his EPA to ignore the Clean Air Act. W.’s ultimate crime, the one that history will hold him accountable for, is the way he broke the law, time after time, whenever it stood in the way of his ambitions.

What are Obama’s sin? He has failed to light a fire under Congress to force them to enact meaningful health care reform. He has failed to prosecute 1) banksters 2) Bush administration officials 3) insert your favorite villain here. He has not vetoed DOMA retroactively----now there is a notion. If voters really want one man to have the power to write and unwrite the law, maybe they should pass a Constitutional amendment giving him that power. It would make things so much simpler. We would not need elections anymore. We could give all the power to Il Duce ---pardon me, the president . Then our chief executive would have no excuse for not doing all the things he said he would do. Show of hands among the self styled “progressives” how many want to see this added to the Constitution?

We all have a constitutionally guaranteed right to bitch and moan about what our elected political leaders are doing. Democrats are much more likely than Republicans to exercise that right against one of their own. It is the very nature of the Party, which tries to include many different types of people with many different points of view. Our motto is “Strength through Diversity.” We expect our leaders to do their best to find common ground that will benefit all, on the theory that when all members of a democracy prosper, the whole democracy is stronger.

Maybe I am just paranoid by nature, but when I see the corporate media paying so much attention to the supposed rift between Obama and the base, I do not see a rift between Obama and the base. I see a corporate media which wants us to believe that there is a rift. Why? Why did the mainstream media conspire to label Al Gore a liar, when W. told so many lies? Why did CBS fire Dan Rather after the Bush AWOL story? Why did reporters give serious coverage to folks that said that Kerry, not Nixon, was responsible for the incursion into Cambodia?

For the two or three readers who do not know what was at stake in the 2000 and 2004 elections, I will remind you. Karl Rove promised the corporate media unlimited mergers and acquisitions. “Give this election to W.” he said “And you can form one big news monopoly with the GOP’s blessing.” Never mind that such a behemoth news company would violate United States law. W. was the hero of the corporate fascists because he was willing the break the law.

The mark of a good Democratic president should be his eagerness to uphold the law.

Now, I understand that even Democrats get corrupted by the more or less universally held notion that “Gee! Wouldn’t it be great if we had a man in Washington who could fix it all?” Read how Noam Chomsky predicted that the executive powers which Nixon grabbed for himself would not be trimmed even in the wake of the Watergate trials.

The Watergate affair and the sordid story that has unfolded since are not without significance. They indicate, once again, how frail are the barriers to some form of fascism in a state capitalist system in crisis. There is little prospect for a meaningful reaction to the Watergate disclosures, given the narrow conservatism of American political ideology and the absence of any mass political parties or organized social forces that offer an alternative to the centralization of economic and political power in the major corporations, the law firms that cater to their interests, and the technical intelligentsia who do their bidding, both in the private sector and in state institutions. With no real alternative in view, opposition is immobilized and there is a natural fear, even among the liberal opposition, that the power of the Presidency will be eroded and the ship of state will drift aimlessly. The likely result will therefore be a continuation of the process of centralization of power in the executive, which will continue to be staffed by representatives of those who rule the economy and which will be responsive to their conception of domestic and global order.


http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19730920.htm

I am not afraid of Obama. I am afraid of the American desire for a messianic leader. When did we stop listening to the Founder’s injunction

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."







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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:22 PM
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1. CheezWhiz is food
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 09:22 PM by upi402
He's a corporatist who appointed the same guys who created the financial crisis... to fix it.

WHATTHEFUCK?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:55 PM
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17. Good one
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 10:35 PM by BeFree
He did, however, manage to keep the banking system from total collapse, if what Biden said is true. I believe Biden.

Obama is hamstrung by deeply hidden waves of political power.
The type of power none of us will ever understand.

No doubt when he took office they sat him down and told him their plan.

He only has some leeway, and that only comes if he can sway 51 senators and 218 house members to vote for what he wants. Remember these people in congress are insurance co. salesman, lawyer and big business folks. Good luck with that, eh?

Obama is the best we could politically have at this time. I see no one else who could do any better.

It is his to manage. I think he will do alright.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:33 PM
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19. good point
I know, but sure wish he didn't appoint the same damned crew that sailed us into this mess under Clinton.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:25 AM
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31. Best. Reply. Ever.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 12:31 AM by PurityOfEssence
Fuck that crap about Roosevelt and the Jews, too: he did everything he could to get us into the war, even to the point of deliberately precipitating Pearl Harbor by moving the fleet there from San Diego. (On edit: I'm aware of the St. Louis, which was not a stellar moment, but that's another argument.)

I used the term Pied Piper repeatedly throughout the primary season, and I keep flashing back to the same feeling. Whatever cockamamie witches-brew of bizarre personal quirks drives people to still see Barack Obama as anything else than an ultramoderate in need of everyone's love and firmly convinced that the monied elites can be accommodated successfully, I'm sick of hearing it. He's NOT a champion of the people. He's NOT anything CLOSE to being a stolid bulwark of a leader. What the FUCK are people thinking? The odd tweak here or there to seem like he's giving the reactionaries a run for their money belies the reality of the flaccid attempts at mild semi-reform.

So many people are so wound up with their personal egos by having publicly proclaimed him the veritable second-coming that their fragile self-worth is zealously lashing out at any evidence to the contrary. It's tiresome. It's not amusing. It's dangerous.

As I and MANY others have pointed out: if he can take the flood tide of disgust and a true arithmetic legislative advantage and piss it away by asking permission of the cadre of monarchists for some help with some ever-so-slight "reforms", while caving at any sign of resistance, we could well hand the whole thing back to the trogs. Mass disgust is a very real thing, and I dread a nation of scofflaws.

A REAL leader would have stood up and stated flatly what his health care plan needed to be, instead of letting Congress blither around and hide behind the Potemkin Village of giving a damn until it was basically too late.

I was hoping for at least velveeta.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:45 AM
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42. +infinity
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:58 AM
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43. I enjoyed your response as well
>I was hoping for at least velveeta.<

So were millions of others that can't take another 4-8 years of anyone in the White House more beholden to his corporate campaign contributors than those who spent time and money to get him elected. We gave him EVERYTHING to succeed. He's pissed it away, while blaming us for having the audacity to expect him to act decisively in our best interest.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:55 AM
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39. When your starving it beats dirt..
imho.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:01 AM
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41. Yes it is.
:rofl:

And so is cake.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:35 PM
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56. You got my Cheez Whiz, boy?:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:24 PM
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2. We can certainly do better. Stop trying to scare peole away from defending liberal principles.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:26 PM
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4. Until WE reform our election system, he is the best we will do.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:28 PM
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6. no we've already done better in recent history: Bill Clinton..
at least Clinton stood up to the Republicans and fought back even though he wasn't a progressive.

We can do much better than Obama by picking a real progressive - someone like Anthony Weiner, Dennis Kucinich or Alan Grayson.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:47 AM
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32. Not true
Bill Clinton tried his damndest to out-Republican the Republicans and threw a lot his of his "base" under the bus in the process.
The Three Strikes Law put a lot of black men in jail for minor offenses and he rushed back from the campaign trail to execute a mentally retarded man in Arkansas to prove his "tough-on-crime" bonafides to white suburban voters.
When conservative Democrats told him to move to the center, he withdrew the nomination of Lani Guinier, a blck female to be Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights because she was too "radical." He made this determination after she was thoroughly vetted, for God's sake.
And then there was "welfare reform" to please white suburban voters, NAFTA and myriad deregulation that help precipitate the current financial crisis (even though G.W. Smirky did most of it.)
This meme that Bill Clinton was a good president is bullshit.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:43 AM
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47. You forgot probably the "best", Bernie Sanders.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:32 PM
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55. Clinton rolled over for Republican policies and labeled it triangulation. It's a myth that
Clinton 'fought back' during his terms. If he actually HAD fought back with any might he would never have been impeached in the first place.

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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:42 AM
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45. Then, we are in really deep shit. We have already had a "couple"........
.............of "worst", and if he is the best, I would say "God help us" if I believed in god.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:25 PM
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3. FDR was rich and had connections.
He knew who was who and how to get things done.
The same thing applies to LBJ.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:29 PM
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8. LBJ had connections and I suppose was fairly well to do but not Roosevelt's league wealth wise.
LBJ was the best President in the 20th century for getting things passed but FDR had much longer staying power because of the nature of the two different wars they ended up fighting.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:59 PM
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22. I was saying that LBJ had connections and understood
the power that knowledge gives one. He was not wealthy like FDR was.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:04 AM
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27. Wow . . .
you really need to read something honest about LBJ --

Start with Robt. Caro --

and he was very lenient --

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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:45 AM
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48. AND most importantly, his FOUR terms.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:27 PM
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5. K&R....if he's the best we'll get, then I'm disappointed; he's just not good enough....n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:02 AM
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26. "Not good enough"...? Obama has totally betrayed the voters . . . !!!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:28 PM
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7. If true
then we are really screwed. :yoiks:
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:30 PM
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9. Possession of marijuana violates federal law. I'm not in favor of enforcing THAT.
Having the executive branch means having the power to pick and choose. Just make sure your guy is president.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:30 PM
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10. it's yet to be seen what his ultimate influence will be
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 09:33 PM by bigtree
. . . on policy and on the 'wars' he's maintaining and 'ending'.

I'm afraid of the mediocrity we've come to expect from our politicians and their comfortableness with that apathetic response from the public to their prevarication and mendacity.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:07 AM
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28. Obama is on the corporate train . . . he's not getting off . . .
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:32 PM
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11. Clinton didn't fix crap
a series a bubbles and happy accidents obscured ongoing structural rot. I have never read Clinton's white paper on how or why he came to his deranged free trade policies or why a man who studied law considered himself qualified to preach economics.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:35 PM
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12. I'd take 'bubbles' and 'happy accidents'
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 09:36 PM by bigtree
. . . right now. My working-class family grew strong and prosperous during the Clinton presidency, after suffering through the Bush-Reagan era.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:36 AM
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36. Almost everybody would and that's how we get here.
Your family did great under Clinton in spite of what was done, not because of it. You made $$ because there was a literal revolution in technology and human communications, a double wave of prosperity the likes of which has only occurred a few times in history. What Clinton's policies did with this windfall was to give it to those that needed it least and to cut short the economic benefits these waves provided by exporting it.

He killed the golden goose to make dinner for a few billionaires.


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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:37 PM
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13. Honestly - I think Janet Reno and the FBI were justified at Waco
That is how you handle Domestic Terrorist compounds
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:45 PM
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14. I love our President and the First Family
and I love what he has done for our country. People are too quick to dismiss his accomplishments and the hope he brought to our broken democracy.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:43 AM
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46. He brought hope and quickly and devastatingly killed hope for millions of his supporters.
It's not our fault we lost "hope" when taking into account everything he has actively done and passively not done over his first year.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:03 PM
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50. You're good at the constructive criticism game
not.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:03 PM
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51. Wasn't trying to provide constructive criticism in this case. Clearly.
I was trying to explain the reality of what has actually happened over the past year.

That's all. Nothing more.

Not giving up. Ever.

My constructive criticism to Obama and elected Democrats: You are going to have to start fighting for the values and beliefs you supposedly share with me for me to believe you are truly on my side. Oh, and please stop knee capping important progressive ideas that you campaigned on.

If they were to adopt my advice above they would re-energize the activist base that can actually fight on their behalf.

They have done so very little during the past year which had such enormous potential. It was squandered. They have a few more months to pass good strong legislation that I can actually use as an example for others pertaining to important issues that they campaigned on.

I don't want a pony. I want elected Democrats to fight for Democratic values.




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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:14 PM
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53. blah blah blah
You're one of those who have no intention of being civil here. You're not a Democrat either. You'll never be happy and will never stop whining.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:48 PM
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15. Not for a minute do I
believe he is the best we can get.
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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:53 PM
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16. We have a President who believes in the separation of powers...
I think that's great. We all just need to take a breath & let him do his thing. This instant-gratification thing is nonsense. He's got our backs; it's time for us to have his...
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:25 PM
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18. Excellent post
Great summary of what's critically important versus politically desirable.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 AM
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34. I thought so, too. I Ked and Red it, yet it's still negative.
I guess it's over the heads of many here.

The ones who want a dictator, as long as the dictator is progressive.

And the other ones can't grasp a big picture, and the ones that don't understand the constitution.

And the one's who just have unrealistic expectations and blame others that their expectations aren't met.

Yeeeesh.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:19 AM
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35. The negative recs say a lot
It's becoming more and more clear that a large number of posters here are neither Democrats nor favor democracy. Is this DU, DU (dictatorship underground) or AU (anarchy underground)?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:40 PM
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20. Masturbation will make you go blind.
... please mommy, can I just do it until I need glasses?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:27 PM
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23. What the fuck does that mean?
:shrug:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:11 AM
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29. I think it means....
whatever the heck you want it to mean.

(Elaine on Seinfeld)


And, surely Obama isn't going to be called the "best we'll ever get" 1 year into his serving us for 4 years! It's as bad as saying he's the worst ever, after that same period of time.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:15 AM
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30. "ever" is not in the O/P
Best available now? Quite possibly true. There is a distinct lack of good leadership in this country.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:48 PM
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21. Most of us aren't looking for a messianic leader. We are looking for a LEADER.
The times demand a leader. Where President Obama has failed is in not using the base of grassroots supporters to help him to win the big battles. Why haven't they supported him? Because he has not ASKED them to do that. He has asked them to support compromise after compromise after compromise. Now it's clear that he isn't willing to fight the fights he told us he was going to fight. That's not leadership.

Why is he not being the charismatic reformer he said he would be? Maybe it was all just part of the schtick to get elected. Or maybe he sees the forces he's up against in the Congressional ranks as being too powerful. Or maybe he has been given his marching orders by whoever gives Presidents their marching orders.

Whatever the reason, he still has a chance to be one of the best Presidents, but so far he's not showing much promise in that category.

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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:48 PM
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24. TRUE.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:01 AM
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25. I'll take Grayson -- !!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:50 AM
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33. And what a sad statement your subject line is.
You're right, we need election reform, specifically campaign finance reform. Publicly funded elections for every office, from dog catcher to president. But the chances of that happening are slim and/or nil.

So where are we going, and what exactly am I doing in this handbasket.

Oh, shit:yoiks:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:37 AM
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37.  Too many errors and false premises to go into now, unrec, n/t
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:50 AM
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38. I disagree that 'he is the best we will get'.
You speak as though you are a serf or a victim. I am not a serf or a victim, and I refuse to dumb down my expectations from a glorified elected official.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:58 AM
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40. I would have phrased the thread title a little differently
It's not pertinent to our current situation whether or not he's the best we will get. He's what we have.
I want to make the best out of that, and I want him to make the best out of it. I do NOT want to be backed
into a situation like the Republicans under Bush Lite, where, they resigned themselves with "he's all we've
got, therefore he must be wonderful."

Obama could still become a good Democratic president. He's only been there a year. But training session is over,
and after January of next year, our decisive majority in Congress is sure to erode, maybe even significantly.
Time to get to a few late night jawboning sessions with key people in Congress to move legislation forward, and
making staff changes where appropriate (I'd start by making Rahm Secretary of After-Dark Garbage Removal, and
bringing back Howard Dean to Washington for a little progressive inspiration).

I'm not sure the rift between Obama and the base is as small as you (or I) might wish it were, but you make some
valid points (quoting from "Common Sense" you can rarely go wrong), and I never unrec anything. I consider it a
useless gesture anyway. If you disagree with something say so and, if so inclined, say why. We get enough groundless
"NO" votes from Republicans in Congress. It's not a tactic worthy of emulating, but that's just my opinion.



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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:56 PM
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52. I wanted to rec this.
I thought your post was quite profound. Why can't I rec. this?
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:24 PM
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54. Excellent post! K & R. n/t
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:13 AM
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57. Obama is the best we will get only as long
as we keep electing leaders who tell us what we want to hear, instead of leaders who tell us what we NEED to hear...
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Fruittree Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:19 AM
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58. Thank you!
I admit I only skimmed - I'm bordering on being late for work - but I get so discouraged over the criticism - not difference of opinion - but just blanket negativity about Obama that I'm always happy to know other people are out there who believe that just because he hasn't re-made the world in a year doesn't mean he's an awful president. There are going to be ups and downs but what matters is I think he genuinely cares to do the right thing.
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