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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:59 PM
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Suspected pilot in crash, Joespeh Stack... A bone with the IRS? His last post?
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM by Ellipsis
http://embeddedart.com/

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.



Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010



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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:01 PM
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1. I'm sorry, what is this?
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:05 PM
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3. Looks like manifesto of the guy who crashed his plane
Into the office building in Austin, Texas which happens to house an office of the IRS, with whom he had a dispute.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:06 PM
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4. It appears to be the parting manifesto / suicide note
of Joseph Stack, presumed pilot of the plane that crashed into IRS offices in Austin, TX, today.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:10 PM
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Right-wingers will undoubtedly look at that final line
and claim that commies are rampant and to call for a new red witch-hunt, despite the fact that his manifesto is a ramblin' wreck of madness that is a mishmosh of borrowed political ideologies.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM
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15. Cali has posted some interesting reactions from
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM by redqueen
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:08 PM
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6. The man who burned his house was a software engineer named Joesph Stack...
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:21 PM by Ellipsis
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:27 PM
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23. looks like a suicide note. n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:38 PM
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43. This is the suicide note of the pilot who crashed his plane
into the IRS offices in Austin.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:05 PM
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2. Looks like it.
A suicide note online --- did you find it by googling?

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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:07 PM
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5. Maybe you should send that to the FBI
and a few news stations as well. One would think they'd google the darn guy to find out if he'd posted anything.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:09 PM
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8. feel free
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:30 PM
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27. I would send it to KO. n/t
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:09 PM
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7. embeddedart.com
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:10 PM by EarlG
Registrant:
Embedded Art
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666
US

Domain name: EMBEDDEDART.COM

Administrative Contact:
Stack, Joe dns.5.sgmail@dfgh.net
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666
US
1.3215649879

Technical Contact:
Stack, Joe dns.5.sgmail@dfgh.net
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666
US
1.3215649879

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 16-Sep-2006.
Record expires on 05-Jun-2010.
Record created on 05-Jun-2003.


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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:10 PM
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9. Thanks for the verification.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:11 PM
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11. It's cached as a Software company.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:12 PM
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12. Thank you. (nt)
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:11 PM
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10. Registration of embeddedart.com domain name from whois.com
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:12 PM by FarCenter
What EarlG said
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:14 PM
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13. strange anti-corporate, anti-gov't screed
hope it turns out to be a fake. And if it's real, I have no sympathy whatsoever for this fuckwad. In fact, real or not, I have no sympathy for him.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:15 PM
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14. Tea Party on dudes
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM
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16. It's all over Twittter right now--this link. I'd still pass it to Agent Mike, though!
Either this is the real thing, or some sick asshole. Both deserve a visit...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:17 PM
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17. An anti-tax, anti-government commie?
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:17 PM
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18. It's like a cross between Durden and D-FENS n/t
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:18 PM
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19. Well, dayum! I guess he told them/us.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:21 PM
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20. ........manifesto
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:25 PM
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21. Very easy to understand
Second cohort of boomers, missed the 60s and only knew what his frightened parents told him about the left. Went to school, worked hard, played by the rules, possibly voted GOP. Ended up with nothing when IT got shipped off to India, China, Ireland, and wherever else they could find people they didn't have to pay or treat fairly. Betrayed by every institution he believed in, betrayed by all the newsmen he trusted, betrayed by his own belief system, he had absolutely nothing left, or so he thought.

This guy is one of many millions and it's quite likely a lot more of them will act out against a government that has been protecting the rich and corporate while enabling them to wage war against the American people. The only wonder is that it isn't happening more often.

Too many of us are getting the rug yanked out from under us for it not to happen.

RIP, Mr. Stack. While I deplore what you did, I understand why you did it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:28 PM
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24. I don't understand.
There doesn't seem to be any mental illness involved.

Just frustration and greed... I hope nobody was hurt besides the greedy attempted murderer.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:32 PM
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29. Maybe reading the body of my post will give you a clue.
I don't know where you're getting greed out of the guy's suicide.

I do know where you're getting attempted murder. That's why I hate what he did.

I just know why he did it. I guess you might have to be over 50 and the beneficiary of the full corporate screw job over the past 40 years to understand it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:37 PM
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32. How much if his being upset is about money?
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:37 PM by redqueen
I did read your post.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:40 PM
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33. If you read it
and the manifesto, you'd know that sense of betrayal isn't about how much money he thought he deserved.

It was about betrayal. It was about no future. It was about rage.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:43 PM
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36. I read it, and the manifesto. What's the title of the manifesto?
Who's it addressed to?

Sorry, but my interpretation is that this guy was angry and frustrated mainly about money. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:47 PM
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37. Actually, it reads like he was a rabid anti-tax advocate...
who is railing against the laws he did NOT follow and was caught:

snip


"Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

snip

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them."



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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:01 PM
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39. Sounds more to me like he wanted fairness
Like why does half my income go to taxes when churches and huge corporations pay next to nothing?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:48 PM
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44. He didn't pay the taxes and got caught...
that's not fairness that called cheating and getting caught and, once caught, blaming everyone and everything but himself for his problems. Once he could not get away with cheating, he was going to take as many lives with him as he could, he is simply an asshole and a nutcase, imo.



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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:35 PM
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31. Yep, many here want to label this guy a right-wing tea bagger
but he certainly echos a lot of what we on the left believe too.
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM
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35. Sounds to me like he got involved with
One of the "You don't have to pay taxes cause it's unconstitutional" scam groups from the 80s or 90s and got burned for being stupid. Then he got mad when he had to pull himself out of the hole he dug.

I have no sympathy for this jackass. He was a loser who died in his own cowardice trying to take others with him.

Rest in Peace? Fuck no. He makes me wish I believed in a justice dispensing afterlife.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:01 PM
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40. The tea partyers are just a little too blind or too stupid to be exactly where this guy is.
Or was.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:26 PM
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22. There's a keyboard player named Joe stack with an Austin band on Myspace

Last Straw on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures ...
We found a great keyboardist named Joe Stack and a fluent guitarist ... He has played with a lot of bands in Austin and did the studio work on the album. ...
www.myspace.com/laststrawmusic - Cached

http://www.myspace.com/laststrawmusic
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:28 PM
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25. Here's a cached copy of the page from 2003....
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:28 PM by cbdo2007
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:28 PM
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26. pretty long post for someone in his state of mind
I doubt the authenticity of this, but I could easily be wrong.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:32 PM
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28. A right-wing communist . . .
Well, good. Now both sides can be completely satisfied in the attempt to make sure latest Horrible Crazy Person is in reality a representative member of their opponents' politics.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:34 PM
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30. Yeah this should be sent into the News..
MSNBC can't decide whether or not he used his own plane or stole one.. stupid. I have seen in another posting that he did own the plane. Glad it wasn't an act of terror, but I am sure someone over at Fox News will state it was.. they want it so badly!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM
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34. Save for the last bit about communism and capitalism he sounds like Howard Roark
before he blew up the housing project in Ayn Rand's Fountainhead.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:54 PM
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38. I'm not about to do what HE did, but I can relate to much of what he said...
due to a clerical error, and living in three states in the span of 16 months with 5 different jobs, I mistakenly owed the State of Maryland about $400 -- I was utterly shocked at all the collection calls and letters I got over what is a trivial amount to the state...
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:07 PM
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41. The IRS thought I owed them 1.3 million
It was of course an error, but it took almost a decade to resolve. Yeah, there were times I could have done something...bad.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:21 PM
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42. I Have always found my experience with the folks of IRS to be a good one.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 02:25 PM by Ellipsis
They were always helpful and courteous, at least at the walk in center I went to.


A resolution to a mistake my bookkeeper made, did take a couple years to resolve...
but they were never jerks about it.

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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:05 PM
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45. Actually they were very helpful and courteous
And I discovered that when it gets into high numbers, they assign you your very own tax attorney at no cost. It is just having something hanging over your head like that--even if eveybody knows it's an error--can be very wearing.
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