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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:00 AM
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Talk about an unabashed regressive tax, here's how car sales tax works in SC:
“A maximum sales tax of $300 is imposed on the purchase of motor vehicles, including recreational vehicles, boats, motorcycles and airplanes.”

So, if you buy a new Toyota/Ford, you’ll pay the same sales tax as the person who buys a Jaguar or Mercedes Benz.

http://www.sctax.org/Publications/mov2sc.html

What a nice tax break for the affluent.

What's the skinny in your state?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:04 AM
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1. At least there's a reasonable cap.
I don't think there's a ceiling in MA.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:17 AM
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4. I don't think you get the "regressive" thing.
One of my pet peeves is people's ignorance about how the rich pay a LOWER PERCENTAGE of taxes than the poor.

Poor: buy a $6,000 car, pay $300 = 5% tax

Rich: buy a Benz @ $300,000 (and I've seen them for more than that) pay $300 = 1/10th of 1%.

The rate should have a FLOOR (e.g.: first $5,000 = no tax)

But to have ANY ceiling is REGRESSIVE.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:31 AM
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6. The tax is one thing that keeps me from buying a new(er)vehicle.
I'll be damned if I'll pay almost $2,000 tax on a 30K vehicle. I'd burn the money first.

$300 and I might be more apt to spring for one.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:30 AM
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20. how much is the sales tax in your state on a 30k used car?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 12:26 PM
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24. In Calif it would be $2,625.00.. n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:18 PM
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26. $1875,
And I refuse to consider paying that much.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:44 PM
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35. so the other thing keeping you from buying a 30k car,
is the fact that you're not in the market for a 30k car.

either that or you're a tax cheat.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:47 PM
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37. No way will I throw away that much money in taxes on a damn car.
I'll drive older vehicles before I pay out that much money for nothing.

If you've got $$$ to burn, more power to you.
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:59 PM
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34. $2580 Everett WA
Varies slightly depending on local tax rates (bare minimum in WA is $2100, maximum is $2670)
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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:46 AM
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49. NC/SC
Mecklenburg County NC = (4%) $1200 + $35 CATS + $30 INSP + $45 DMV + 1.225% PPTax
York County SC (across border) = $300 + $0 CATS + $0 INSP + $25 DMV + 0.750 PPTax
other suburban NC counties has no CATS (Charlotte Area Transit System) Fees, South Carolina no longer has vehicle inspections.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 12:32 PM
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25. why? you pay the same amount of tax on any other purchases
anything else you spend $30,000 on, say over 5 years, and you are gonna pay that same amount of tax. Why should a car be an exception just because it comes in one fell swoop. Especially considering that such an exception would just be a break for the rich people who can afford $30,000 cars. Hey, that's only $5,000 less than I paid for my house.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:20 PM
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28. And $30K is high-end these days?
Where have you been living?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:43 PM
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33. some place where I paid $3500 for my 16 year old used car.
that's okay though, right. I should pay full sales tax on my car while you pay the same amount on your car that costs ten times as much. That's fair, right?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:44 PM
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36. Just so you know,
currently the most "expensive" vehicle I own is worth about $5,500.

I said I wouldn't pay $1,875 tax on a 30K vehicle even IF I could afford it. It's a deal-breaker in itself, as far as I'm concerned.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:20 PM
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42. for me, though, the $30,000 price is much more of a deal breaker
What is the difference between a $30,000 car with $1,875 tax on it, versus a $32,000 car? Is it more annoying to pay $1900 to the state or $1900 to an auto company? And what about the interest and insurance that you pay on such a vehicle? I tend to hate insurance companies more than I hate the state government. At least with the government I get roads, libraries, fire departments and schools for my money.

My question is, who is the state gonna serve and cater to - the majority, or the upper 30% who can afford $30,000 cars?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:17 PM
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41. +1,000! "But to have ANY ceiling is REGRESSIVE." -- EXACTLY.

That includes the FICA/SS tax, BTW (the fact that, much to my amazement, escapes many - if not most - people).
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:41 AM
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14. The cap makes it worse, another instance of the rich paying far less than the rest of us. n/t
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:07 AM
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2. No maximum in Colorado
and the plates on a Jag would be more than a Toyota.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:07 AM
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3. So anything over $6,000 is tax free.
They should at least have the tax on the whole amount. If they don't need the revenue then they should reduce the sales tax on vehicles.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:22 AM
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5. Do they make up for it with personal property tax on vehicles?
From the OP link: "Personal property tax is collected annually on cars, trucks, motorcycles, recreational vehicles, boats and airplanes, based on their fair market value."

A Ford owner would most likely pay less personal property tax than the Mercedes owner.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:01 AM
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7. I see what you mean; possibly, to some extent.

I still think the $300 cap is doubleplusungood.



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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:14 AM
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8. They should do it by weight.
Hummer 1000. Pinto 100.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:36 AM
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12. Average minivan, 3900 pounds. Ferrari F430, 2400 pounds.
Still want to tax by weight?
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:49 AM
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17. How much would Kevin Smith pay?
Sorry. Coudln't resist.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:17 AM
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9. As someone has posted before--the South is ruled by aristocrats
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:22 AM
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10. that's not fair...... and i'm buying my next new car in SC.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:51 AM
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18. Careful Now....
Many states have laws that will require you to pay sales tax in the state where the car is titled if you purchase it out-of-state. So you might end up paying the SC sales tax AND the sales tax from the state where you live.

There in place to specifically prevent what you're contemplating.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:32 AM
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21. In Texas, and I'm not sure if this is the same in every state
If you purchase a vehicle here to be registered in another state, you only pay sales tax in the registering state. So if you buy a car here to be registered in SC you'd only pay the sales tax in SC, not in Texas. I would think it's the same for every state, you wouldn't pay the sales tax twice on one purchase.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:59 AM
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22. Don't be so sure....
In-State auto dealers don't want you jumping the border to buy where the taxes are lower. I can tell you for certain that this used to be the law in Pennsylvania. Purchase a car across the border, and you'd pay PA sales tax at the time you license it.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 12:03 PM
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23. Right, when the vehicle is registered you pay taxes
If you purchase in Texas but are registering in another state you're charged no sales tax on the purchase, you pay the sales tax in the state you're registering it.

If someone from PA purchased a vehicle in Texas, they'd only pay the tax when they registered the vehicle in PA not in Texas and PA.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:20 PM
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27. I find that a little hard to believe, frankly....
I can't imagine someone in the Texas State Assembly offering to let somebody off the hook for a purchase made in Texas -- and then allowing another state (which may or may not reciprocate) to collect the sales tax.

From my own experience, I was relocated for one year to a job in PA and bought a car in Ohio the month before the new assignment came through. When I went to get PA plates put on my car (it was unclear when -- or if -- I would return to Ohio), I was told that I had to pay PA sales tax because the purchase was within six months. No credit for the Ohio sales tax I had already paid.

Needless to say, I kept my Ohio plates until the end of the assignment.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:17 PM
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31. I worked in a car dealership for many years, you may find it hard to believe
But that's the truth in Texas. You pay sales tax in the state where it's registered.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:39 PM
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32. Works that way here too
* Excise tax is collected at the time of issuance of the new Oklahoma title.
* Oklahoma residents are subject to Oklahoma excise tax on vehicles purchased in another state.
* Nonresidents who purchase vehicles in Oklahoma are not assessed Oklahoma excise tax, provided they title and register the vehicle in their state of residence.


http://www.tax.ok.gov/mv3.html


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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:30 PM
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46. I've personally been asked this bye the WA DMV
I've registered two vehicles that were previously registered from out of state. The first question they asked was do you have proof that you paid sales tax somewhere and they wanted proof. If I didn't have that proof, they would have just added the tax onto the registration cost.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:09 PM
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48. Quick Answer to all three response - I stand corrected
Texas does provide this, and there are states that really do avoid double taxation.

But it's on a state-by-state basis. You results may vary, depending on where you live.

And with the economy hammering state budgets, I wouldn't be surprised if states start soaking out-of-state car buyers as a way to generate revenue.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:23 PM
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29. True.
Otherwise everyone around here would be buying in tax free New Hampshire.

You pay when and where the car is registered.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:12 PM
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40. What if you are not registering the vehicle?
Technically, a vehicle for private use does not have to be registered.
One could buy the vehicle for a ranch or onsite fleet use.
No tax is paid whatsoever?

Many construction companies do this. "Yard trucks" are not registered or insured and require no driver license to operate.

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:31 AM
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11. What about SC ain't regressive?

I doubt that any other state is so consistently reactionary in all aspects of the law and regulation. SC was founded for the purpose of making the rich richer and things haven't changed that much in 350 years.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:40 AM
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13. This is worse than most, in my experience. Many western states simply have
a flat fee for vehicle registration.

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:41 AM
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15. In NJ EVERY time that car is sold it gets hit wih 7% sales tax
until it's junked.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:54 AM
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19. That's what needs to be corrected.
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 10:54 AM by TheCowsCameHome
Tax should only be levied on the initial sale, and even then it's too much.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:45 AM
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16. "What a nice tax break for the affluent."
SC has a 4% sales tax and only charges a maximum sales tax of $300. Yet in "Liberal" and "Progressive" California, sales tax range from 8.75% to 10.75%. If I purchased a $20,000 vehicle I would end up paying $2,468.00 after sales tax and registration on top of that this "Progressive" state charges a $25 EWaste fee on all TV's 35 inches or more yet the state is STILL BROKE. :mad:

In California you can't afford to be affluent anymore.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:52 PM
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39. "..charges a $25 EWaste fee on all TV's 35 inches or more yet the state is STILL BROKE."
so- you somehow feel that a $25 e-waste fee on big tv's should be able to close all the budget gaps...? :crazy:
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:03 PM
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45. My point is California taxes the hell out of everything and fails miserably to keep a budget
then they have the nerve to ask for MORE.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 10:41 PM
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47. it's a state full of people who want a lot of services...but don't want to pay for them.
ballot propositions are a bitch.
and apparently a pretty shitty way to run a state. :shrug:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:32 PM
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30. Personal Property tax required for licensing - every single year - based loosely on NADA value
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:51 PM
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38. 7% sales tax in Indiana
Collected by the dealer and sent to the state. If purchased from a private owner, the tax is paid when the vehicle is registered.

Then there is the excise tax...
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:22 PM
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43. Incredible. The wealthy always get a break, while the social services are being slashed in nearly

every state. :mad:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:42 PM
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44. Worse than you stated...
Should read:

So, if you buy a new Toyota/Ford, you'll pay the same sales tax as the person who buys a Learjet or Hatteras yacht.

Just think: you'll pay $300 sales tax on this...

http://www.hatterasyachts.com/Page.aspx/pageId/11570/pmid/146022/100-Motor-Yacht.aspx

Price? "On request." (Which goes without saying when you're dealing with customized products like 100-foot yachts, but if your bank balance doesn't have nine figures before the decimal point we recommend shopping at the local bass boat dealer.)
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