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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:24 PM
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What is the estimated number of deaths, per day, that result from our lack of National Health Care?
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 02:26 PM by ThomWV
I have seen estimates that as many as 8,000 people per day die in this country as a result of the inability to procure professional treatment, be that with or without insurance. That number may be high, and it may be low. Do you know of a better number?

What is the cost of our delay - in human lives? It just seems like a number that should be on all of our lips, all of the time.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:26 PM
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1. 122
and that's a lowball estimate.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:30 PM
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5. So, every day in the US Health Care system is like the worst month in the Iraq War
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 02:32 PM by ThomWV
Dear sweet Jesus.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:14 PM
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15. And the MIC gets billion$ while the poor Insurance Cos aren't on the dole

YET

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:28 PM
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2. 45,000 per year is the number I've seen
comes to 120+ per day.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:29 PM
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3. Harvard Medical School recently put out a study that says that 45,000
people a year die for lack of health care in this country. That would be 124 people a day and change.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:30 PM
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4. It's about 45,000/yr, or 125/day. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:33 PM
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6. Something like one every twelve minutes.
I plan to offer that on a bumper sticker soon.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:34 PM
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7. are there any stats of how many have died because they have insurance that has a
deductible so high that the person doesn't go for medical care?

Are there any stats of homes and lives being ruined because people had medical care that the insurance companies later REFUSED to pay for?

Are there any stats of people who have died because insurance refused to pay for a costlier, more effective treatment - and forced the patient to take a cheaper treatment?

There's a heck of a lot of questions that should be asked about health insurance stats, especially in light of the fact that we are going to be mandated into buying insurance.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:06 PM
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12. Good point. No one ever studies how insurance itself is killing people
Well I'm sure someone has, but it's not politically popular at the moment to talk about it
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:44 PM
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8. There's a lot of information in this:
Indiana Health Care Facts
• In Indiana, there are 1,600,000 (1.6 million) Hoosiers with no health insurance coverage at all. That is 29% of the state’s population. And the last data on children showed 159,000 were without coverage.

• The number of uninsured in Indiana is growing at twice the national average. Indiana ranks 23rd among the states in the number of uninsured persons.

• We have the highest per capita rate of medically bankrupt families, over 77,000 Hoosiers. And surprisingly, 75% of those declaring bankruptcy for medical reasons had health insurance when they got sick.

• Insurance companies are for-profit entities who exist for the sole purpose of making money. With health care being a profit driven industry, our health, yours and mine, has become a commodity for sale. This is personal.

• We lost 138,000 manufacturing jobs from 2000 to 2004. Many of the service sector jobs replacing those jobs lack health insurance.

• Indianapolis is the second most expensive city in the nation for per family health insurance premiums. Anthem/WellPoint, headquartered in Indianapolis, is one of the largest health insurance companies in the nation. The CEO, Larry Glassock, received a bonus of $42.5 million in 2003.

• Indiana has a history of innovation in the medical arena. Eli Lilly and Indiana University Medical Center are known for creative ideas and innovative thinking. In the 70’s we passed medical malpractice legislation that served as a model for many other states. We can lead the way again.

• The most efficient, cost effective way to care for the state’s population is to have a government sponsored program of insurance, like Medicare, to cover everyone. Patients would have free choice of doctors and hospitals. There is simply no better way to do it.

• Do we really have a coordinated health care system in this country? No, we do not. Should we, YES!

National Health Care Facts
• Health care costs have risen three times faster than wages since 1999. Insurance premiums have risen 119% in the last nine years.

• Health care costs per capita will rise from $8,300 per person to $13,000 per person by 2019 without changes.

• Single payer is NOT socialized medicine. We already have a program of government sponsored insurance to cover many of our citizens – Medicare. It could be expanded to cover everyone. This would be social insurance, not socialized medicine.

• For every one percent increase in unemployment, one million people become uninsured.

• America wastes $350 billion in “administrivia” costs by having 7,000 separate insurance companies. That $350 billion could be redirected into Health Care for every person in the United States.

• Medicare for All (Single Payer) Reform Would Be Major Stimulus for Economy. There would be 2.6 Million New Jobs, $317 Billion in Business Revenue, $100 Billion in Wages. The number of jobs created by a single payer system, expanding and upgrading Medicare to cover everyone, parallels almost exactly the total job loss in 2008, according to the findings of a groundbreaking study released in Spring of 2009.

• As insurance premiums rise and more employers drop coverage, an increasing number of Americans are living without health insurance. Nearly 90 million people—more than one in three non-elderly Americans—went without health coverage for all or part of 2006-2007. And four out of five of those individuals were in working families.

• Wall Street Journal: More Small Firms Drop Health Care. Accelerating health-care premiums and sharp revenue shortfalls due to the recession are forcing some small companies to choose between dropping health insurance or laying off workers -- or staying in business at all.

• A study, published in April 2008, in the Annals of Internal Medicine, found that 59 percent of doctors surveyed “support government legislation to establish national health insurance.” Thirty-two percent oppose it and 9 percent were neutral, according to results of a survey conducted last year of 2,193 physicians across the U.S.

• The uninsured live sicker and die younger. As documented in an essay to medical and public health students of the Johns Hopkins University in 2003, over 100,000 people die purely because they don't have any insurance (and that was based upon research in 1997). And having health insurance does not always translate into having health care.

• America’s health care system is ranked 37th in the world, right after Costa Rica, by the World Health Organization. We rank 36th in infant mortality, after Cuba and Taiwan, and well behind Canada and the European nations.

• In the US, we spend more per capita on health care than any other country on earth. We spend about twice as much as the Canadians, and almost three times as much as the English and the Japanese.

• Medical bills are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. Even more surprising is that 75% of those declaring bankruptcy had insurance at the time they got sick. Even with insurance you’re not safe.

• Public opinion polls consistently find that 65% or more of Americans surveyed favor government Health insurance, even if it means tax increases. More and more, business and labor groups are coming to the same conclusion. In a 2002 poll of U.S. physicians, 49% favored national health insurance versus 40% opposed.

• Both the General Accounting Office (GAO) and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reached the same conclusion: if we eliminated private health insurance and covered everyone under a single government program, we would increase efficiency and cut overhead so much that it would leave enough money to cover all the uninsured.

• Every other industrialized nation in the world has come to the same conclusion –a government sponsored program of universal health insurance. The United States stands alone spending the most, covering the least, and with poor health outcomes compared to the rest of the developed world.


Need more information? Visit Hoosiers for a Commonsense Health Plan (www.neindianahchp.org)
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:51 PM
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9. ...


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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:53 PM
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10. 100 or so a week. I made a mental permanent note of it, I think that it is correct. N/T
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 02:58 PM
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11. nope, 123 plus a day!!! way more than dwi deaths...
5 an hour, or as someone wrote above, one every twelve minutes. Almost 3 times that due to dwi, and think of the ruckus raised about that? A question and answer all should be concerned, and ashamed, about...profit based health insurance is the main culprit...
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:09 PM
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13. Jesus ---some things are just too hard to fathom
and then I repress.....so it's a hundred a day I've been remembering!
Thanks for setting me straight, we need to know.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:25 PM
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17. Knowledge entails responsibility...
We need to let all know, 5 an hour might strike some, 45,000 a year might strike others, its a shame and a sin, and who can blame anyone for repressing, its a painful fact to know... :(
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:12 PM
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14. The consensus seems to be 4 more since you posted this.
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Alias Dictus Tyrant Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:16 PM
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16. Relative to what? There are no meaningful numbers.
All the statistics are bullshit, primarily because it is hard to account for relevant outcome differences. What are the metrics? What is the baseline for medical outcomes that we are comparing to?

For example, if the US had UK cancer care, 800+ additional people in the US would die every single day on average. If we use countries as a baseline, there are very few that will offer a competitive baseline for medical outcomes. Maybe Switzerland?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:25 PM
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18. over 35,000 every single day
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 03:27 PM
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19. I think the best studies I've seen are in the 120 - 125 per day range;
roughly 40,000 per year.
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