Tiger Woods Bullshit.

[kentuck]

The media quizzes each other about the effectiveness of the new ad. Will it work?

What are they trying to do??

Do they want the people to believe Tiger Woods is something other than what he is?

He is a lying, cheating, womanizing athlete. He is no hero to anyone except those that worship the advertising dollars that he can bring them. Nobody is being fooled by the media's attempt to rehabilitate him. They see through the charade.

It is all a bunch of bullshit. Tiger is what he is. Please stop this crap.

[Captain Hilts]

1. He's a hypocrite that repeatedly risked his wife's health by having LOTS of promiscuous unsafe sex.

[John Q. Citizen]

11. As I'm quite sure you would know. Since you were apparently present when it happened.

Why didn't you ask him to use a condom?

You know, I can totally understand Wood's wife being pissed. If she were to divorce him I wouldn't blame her, or if she sticks it out, i wouldn't blame her either. It's her business after all, none of mine.

But I sure as hell can't understand why you are pissed. And I can't figure out how you apparently know little details of what happened, (such as your statement that it was "unsafe sex") unless of course you were present when it occurred.

I also can't understand how you would know that he put his wife at risk. Are you privey to their sex life as well? Do you know for a fact that Woods and his wife have unprotected sex? Or any sex at all? How the hell do you know that?

Thanks for filling us all in on the juicy little minute details of your intimate knowledge of Wood's sex life. It must give you a real sense of power to be able to tell what dirty little secrets you have access to.

[Captain Hilts]

19. Do you believe anything you've read about Obama even though you have not met him?

Just curious how you rely on only first-hand information.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

It's Not The Serial Infidelity. It's The Hypocrisy

~

[femrap]

41. It's both to me.

Do you like your SO cheating on you with multiple partners?

The pain from infidelity is real....hell, dudes kill over it.

Many women know how Erin feels. And to have all of this splashed across the headlines and on TV must be a nightmare for her and her children.

I empathize.

Lots of folks are incapable of empathy.

[John Q. Citizen]

65. Is Woods on record chastising others for infidelity or lack of character? Did he

he vote on legislation to burn adulterers at the stake?

I'm not sure what you mean. How was he a hypocrite?

Did he do ads where he claimed to have never been unfaithful to his wife?

[blueamy66]

81. Does he wear a wedding ring?

??

Is his marriage license public record??

[John Q. Citizen]

83. 24 hours a day? I don't know. I have known people who are married who have other

lovers with the consent of the legally wed partner though, so I'm not sure if marriage licenses being part of the public record are relevant to the question of hypocrisy.

Are you outraged at Woods?

Do you know him or his wife?

I don't. I haven't walked a mile in his moccasin's have you?

In fact, I have walked a mile in his wife's moccasins. My ex wife and the mother of my children was unfaithful to me. Are you outraged at my ex-wife's behavior? I was, but that was then. Do you think you have a right to be outraged at my ex-wife for her behavior?

[blueamy66]

86. I've never liked Tiger. He has alwasy been a pompous ass.

This latest stuff is just icing on the cake for me!

I don't want to ever know him. Never did.

I don't watch your ex-wife on television, hawking shit to people. I've never heard of your ex-wife. B

I don't like moccasins either, so I would never walk in them.

:-)

[Texasgal]

29. Unprotected Sex

is a public health issue.

YES. We should be talking about it, not just Tiger but anyone that involves themselves in risky sexual behavior.

[Solomon]

73. Uh oh. Mandate Condoms!

Won't we lose our feedom? Condom mandate. Wonder what the penalty will be.

Judging by threads on Tiger maybe we should burn them all at the stake.

[kstewart33]

31. This isn't so much about sex.

It's about the big con - making millions off of a pristine 'family man' image, for years.

And that makes it everyone's business - at least the business of those who were conned, totally.

No one likes to be taken for a fool.

[Supersedeas]

55. who cares what he does to his wife and family--Tiger is important to golf, to golf advertisers, and

to wannabe golf pros who are as captivated as bowling fans with the positioning of a rolling ball.

The ball is all and I mean ALL that matters to some people.

[John Q. Citizen]

64. But what's important to you? Me, I've been on a golf course maybe 4 times in my

life, and I'm in my 50s. I have watched about one golf tournament on TV in my whole life.

I just can't understand the outrage that some people who have zero connection to the family have about this.


It's another somebody done somebody wrong song.

He didn't do anything that Clinton didn't do, that Edwards didn't do, that my friends ex-finance (and the mother of his son) didn't do, that my ex-wife and the mother of my kids didn't do. He didn't even go on TV and lie to his wife and the nation about it. He admitted his bad behavior and he apologized for it.

I have empathy for Wood's family, especially his kids, and even for Woods since he knows he brought all this on himself.

I just don't get the outrage from people who aren't involved except through TV coverage. I find it very strange.

[Solomon]

74. Actaully, the divorce rate is just about 50% so half the damn

population is doing it.

[Supersedeas]

88. Me, I'm not outraged...I just don't think that he is praiseworthy--but I am sure that there are

adulterous bowlers who couldn't possibily shake their fans either.

I just don't get the sport's hero worship and I especially don't get the sport's hero worship when the 'atheletes' also proves that he's not much of a father or honest broker.

For some people, if he can roll the ball nicely, he's praiseworthy not matter what. I simply disagree.

[onenote]

78. and all of those women thought they were the only one Tiger was boinking.

Want to buy a bridge?

[defendandprotect]

2. Unfortunately, a "sexual" schedule like his will make him a hero in some male eyes . . .

maybe not openly, but it's there --

And, the apologists have jumped in -- including Schultz!

Was really disgusted with that the other day --

Tiger Woods is as much a sexual pervert as Clarence Thomas is --

[Walk away]

3. I think Tiger Woods is an incredible athlete and a cool looking guy...

who makes tons of money selling stuff to people because of those two things.

I don't really give a shit about golf but I was well aware of the "Tiger Woods" brand. For me, it never included anything about his personal life. If people are interested in his sex life then fine, but what does that have to do with golf or selling anything except condoms?

[NoodleyAppendage]

5. Kids look up to him. That's why his personal life is important.

He's taught children now through his behavior that it is o.k. to cheat on your wife like a man-whore and you'll likely get away with no negative consequences if you are rich and powerful enough. Great life lession there if we are interested in producing the next generation of sociopaths.

J

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I'm No Prude And I Recognize We All Have Human Failings

The most disturbing thing about this whole brouhaha is that polls indicate young men are the most supportive. Tiger has made serial adultery cool.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. i hear very little critisism about the women who had sex with woods, knowing he was married and all.

There were how many women who were more than happy to have sex with a married man?

Why isn't their involvement seen to be as morally repugnant as his?

One guy, tens of women.


All those women apparently thought serial adultery was cool, as well. They were more than supportive, they were there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Because Those Women Didn't Hold Themselves Out As Devoted Wives And Mothers.

It's the hyposcrisy.

[onenote]

79. I must have missed all the ads where Tiger held himself out as a devoted husband and father

I don't recall him "holding himself out" as anything other than a really good and successful golfer. But maybe you can point me to some examples of his
publicly posing with his family.

[femrap]

44. How many of these wowen

were married? He broke the 'vow.'

[Berserker]

68. Thank You Thank You Thank You

for saying that. If it were a female the men would still be scum bags for having sex with a married woman and they knew she was married. But lets look at all the gold diggers involved. They all had the dream of taking him away and being rich. This is all bullshit.

[blondeatlast]

10. Yup--I had that same reaction to Charles Barkley (of whom I am quite the fan)'s

Nike "Ia m not a role model" ad.

I got the point he was trying to make--but fail. If you accept millions of dollars in endorsements, you don't get off that easy. If Barkley just got his money from the NBA, or Woods from the PGA, I would have little cause to criticize (even though I just experienced the horrible pain of adultery myself).

But once you take that endorsement money, the "I never intended to be a role model" excuse dies, IMHO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Except Sir Charles Never Held Himself Out As A Famiy Man

"No man, for any considerable period, can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which one is true.”

-Nathaniel Hawthorne

[blondeatlast]

15. True that. nt

[Toasterlad]

14. Please Show Me ONE Child Who Idolizes Golfers.

When you're a child, golf is literally the most boring sport you could possibly imagine. Only a select few ever grow up to believe otherwise.

This "won't someone please think of the children!" manufactured hysteria surrounding Tiger Woods is hilarious.

[Captain Hilts]

32. That's not at all the way Woods has been marketed in ads, product placement, etc. Kids DO

idolize him.

Folks here think he broke the color barrier in golf. Really, they do.

[Toasterlad]

33. Do Kids Idolize Him, Or Are You Being TOLD Kids Idolize Him?

[Captain Hilts]

34. No, they do. Do you know if kids idolize Obama, or are you just told they do? nt

[Toasterlad]

40. I Don't Know a Single Child Who Idolizes Him. Do You?

[femrap]

46. + 1,000

Does his race let him off the hook? Someone asked me this the other day. I believe it's more of a 'boy will be boy' type of situation. Patriarchy, IMHO rules all.

He did break the color barrier in golf....and he is over idolized...again, IMHO.

Golf is a rich man's sport....Augusta doesn't allow women to play...figures that's where he'd make his 'comeback.' Just another slap in the face.

I think he's scum....and notoriously cheap. Just like Jordan who doesn't tip wait staff.

[NoodleyAppendage]

42. Tiger Woods as a child.

Plus, he's inspired a whole host of African-American children to pick up the sport. Don't think for a second that they aren't aware of what's going on...and they are learning that if you are Tiger Woods then normal social mores and rules don't apply.

[Toasterlad]

43. How Sad For Those Half-Dozen Children.

I hope they'll be able to recover their faith in human nature.

[NoodleyAppendage]

66. Why are you so intent on protecting Tiger Woods actions?

Did he feed some sort of wish fulfillment fantasy of yours? Vicariously living through his man-whoredom?

J

[Toasterlad]

72. How Do You Read "protecting Tiger Woods actions" Into Anything I've Written?

Pointing out that this entire extremely private and personal situation between him and his wife has been completely overblown, overwrought and over the top is in no way an endorsement of anything he's done. But if you need to believe that anyone who doesn't think where Tiger Woods puts his penis is anybody else's business is a slavering horn-dog, you go right ahead.

[Walk away]

49. I have bad news. Just like half the kids in America, half of them have Dads...

that do the same thing and most of them will pay a lot less dues than Tiger Woods. Once again, what are these kids parents teaching them about this? The kids you keep talking about seem to get all of their information from People Magazine? Don't you know of any children who have sensible adult input in their lives?

[hfojvt]

45. I wonder about all athletes

When I was a kid I knew a bunch of sports players. From Ali to Fran Tarkinton to Alan Page to Bob Hayes to Roger Staubach to OJ Simpson to Wilt Chamberlain (what did he claim, 5,000 women riding his stilt?) to Pete Rose to Johnny Bench to Reggie Jackson to Tom Seaver and Sandy Koufax. I read a bunch of their biographies in the kids section (as well as others like Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, and Theodore Roosevelt) and my brother and I played football in the back yard and would pretend to be some of those guys (I was usually Bob Griese because he wore glasses like I did but sometimes I took it to the house and did the Billy White Shoes Johnson dance in the end zone). I also idolized Neil A. Armstrong for obvious reasons in the late 1960s.

Still, I think it is ridiculous to say that I "looked up to" any of those people. Maybe you admire their grit and their ability to run or throw and handle pressure, but it's not like I was gonna run out and do cocaine just because my man Hollywood Henderson was doing it, or that I was gonna saw my car in half like Hacksaw Reynolds or something. The only place I cared to mimic their behaviour was on the field, the court or the diamond. Heck, even when you read their biographies they were mostly about this game and that game. OJ's 200 yards rushing. His games at USC. Sandy Koufax's no hitter. His shoulder pain, etc.

[Walk away]

16. These kids must have some pretty stupid and uninvolved parents.

Tiger Wood is and athlete not Barney the Dinosaur. Adults choose all types of life styles and it doesn't necessarily affect their ability to succeed in life. Children who grow up believing that only "moral" people can become successful are in for a rude awakening.

When my little nieces heard about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky my brother used it as a way to explain that basically "no one is perfect".

Mr. Woods will pay for his mistakes. I am sure, like so many cheating husbands, he will lose his wife and a whole lot of money.

It's not up to Tiger Woods to teach your children how to think critically. It's up to you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. It's Not The Serial Infidelity. It's The Hypocrisy

Bill Clinton never held himself out as a family man. If he did his behavior would have been more indefensible.

[Walk away]

25. Hey! If you don't use a....

:sarcasm: I am going to have to bring up John Edwards! Then we can really see who isn't put out as a family man!!!!!!!!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. That's a sad, sad, sad case especially for those that believed in him

~

[Starbucks Anarchist]

59. Ah, "the children" excuse.

If parents aren't good role models for their children, why would some golfer be? Why must the outside world raise people's kids?

[NoodleyAppendage]

67. Because children are not borne and raised in hermitically sealed boxes...

Parents should be the primary role models, but to think that external influences don't play a part is naive' and contrary to the facts.

J

[Starbucks Anarchist]

70. Then maybe the parents should turn off the TV.

You know, act like parents.

[Captain Hilts]

21. Being a "cool looking guy" gets you far in this world. nt

[HipChick]

4. I'm going to buy what I'm going to buy regardless...

I couldn't care less

[Cronus Protagonist]

6. But gosh darn, he looks so cute naked!

:)

[PVnRT]

7. A womanizing athlete? Such a thing has surely never happened before

[MineralMan]

8. YATWOP!

[Gman2]

12. The public navel gazing is horrid. The self involvement, is public masterbation.

[Chulanowa]

17. What's that you say?

and then

and

?

[Johonny]

18. so you have a bad golf outing?

[Vinnie From Indy]

22. The real tragedy is that this is 24/7 news

And, that is not an accident. The Tiger Woods saga is merely bread and circuses for the mob to keep them distracted from the disintegration of the American middle class at the hands of special corporate interests and a strata of the wealthy elite in this country. That is what is truly bullshit.

Is there any sane, rational person that truly believes this story warrants this amount of saturation coverage by most all of the tv and cable media while the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue?

It is almost as if America has decided to follow in the footsteps of the Roman Empire only on an accelerated schedule.

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. Histrionic,, Overwrought Post of the Day Candidate nt

[Vinnie From Indy]

27. Dang! If I knew there was a prize I would have brought my "A" game.

Mama Mia! Isn't that just the way it always seems to be!

[Toasterlad]

52. I Believe It Was the Comparison To the Roman Empire That Put You Over the Top.

However, I completely agree with you.

[kentuck]

24. I agree Vinnie...

There is no way Tiger Woods deserves all this media attention. They are trying to manipulate the public for their own selfish reasons.

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[KharmaTrain]

36. Nike Thanks All For The Free Air Time...

We're now dealing with a two Tiger world...those who don't like him (probably never did) and his womanizing just vindicates what a selfish and boorish person he is. Then there's those who still see Eldrick as a sports superstar whose legend supercedes the human and all that matters is winning. Both are the byproduct of marketing...positive and negative. Looks like Nike has decided it can spank Eldrick this way (the look on his face makes this ad look real eerie) and get some PR in process. My guess is they're betting those who want to forgive Eldrick will do so and also will buy more Nikes...the rest don't buy 'em so screw 'em.

[femrap]

37. And so many golfer dudes

still admire him. Hell, they want to be him.

What gets me is that he decides to make his comeback at Augusta....where women AREN'T ALLOWED. Blacks used to be barred, but it doesn't even enter his selfish, ignorant, misogynist mind that he should boycott this tournament. Blacks and women share oppression from the rich white ol' boyz...but widdle tiger likes his money so forget about Principles, Justice, and Fairness.

He is a stingy, small, selfish creature...Calling him a 'tom cat' is an insult to the feline.

And his balls are small and white.:evilgrin:

[Solomon]

76. Tiger is the ONLY golfer who should boycott the tournament?

Nice try to get titles to all the others who get a free pass.

[CBR]

38. I hope he wins BIG this weekend!!! nt

[Whisp]

39. he's just another jerky husband/father in a long line of those.

I think about him and his wiener as often as I think about all prime numbers going backward from 2000.

who cares.
now if he was my brother in law, or something like that. I'd care. But I sure wouldn't be talking about it here.

[kjackson227]

48. +1

[Hosnon]

50. I'm apparently in the minority in America in that I never understood him as anything

other than a great golfer.

He wasn't the leader of the "We Are Perfect Family Men" club. Tiger's appeal (or lack thereof) hasn't been hit by this as far as I'm concerned any more than it would have been had it been discovered that he's an absolute moron (academically) or cheats on his taxes.

He's a golfer.

[Toasterlad]

51. You And I Share What I Believe Is By Far the Majority Opinion.

The media is pushing this hype because it sells papers and delivers ratings, because people are titillated by famous people caught (literally) with their pants down. If that's all this was, I'd be okay with it. But in order to make it easier for people to feel less guilty for enjoying it, the media is fueling this faux outrage about Woods betraying all his sponsors and all the people who looked up to him and the whole country when really, the only one he betrayed was his wife. Still, it lets people follow the story and still pretend to be something other than a morbid driver who slows down to look at the bodies at the scene of an accident. The only people who actually FALL for the faux outrage are the easily excitable and mildly delusional. Everyone else knows exactly how little Tiger Woods has had to do with "family values", before or since his affairs became public knowledge.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Res Ipsa Loquitur

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/2009-12-14-tiger-woods-gallup-poll_N.htm

[Toasterlad]

62. Back At Ya.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/03/25/golf.tiger.woods.poll/index.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Res Ipsa Loquitur

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/2009-12-14-tiger-woods-gallup-poll_N.htm

[BlooInBloo]

53. Well at least it's a minority of rational people.

[Egnever]

60. +1

The guy hits golf balls amazingly well. Thats it end of story, I couldnt give a rats ass what he does in his personal life.

[Prometheus Bound]

54. What/Where is are the tiger woods anyway?

Aw never mind. I don't really give a shit.

[AmandaMae]

58. Who cares? Why is he getting so much attention in the media anyway?

I'm very against having affairs but is this whole media circus really necessary? He's a golfer, not someone who is supposed to be looked up to as a moral role model.

[JonLP24]

61. Because of the multiple number of threads like this

for the past several months since the day after Thanksgiving. The fact that he had 20 million viewers for his first press conference and the number of hits he gets for articles featuring him. A lot of people are interested which is why he is getting so much media attention. Just answering your question. :hi:

[4lbs]

87. Because of the amount of money he generates for the media, corporations, and the sport.

He's not called the first "billion dollar" athlete (used loosely) for nothing.

He himself doesn't make a billion dollars per year. There is a billion-dollar annual industry around him.

[Biker13]

63. That Ad...

is the most tasteless thing I have seen in a long while. Using his dead Father to sell shoes? How low can you get? Does Nike really think this type of hype is acceptable? That we will actually BUY it?

Biker's Old Lady

[6000eliot]

69. How fucking crass is it to use the voice of his dead father

to try and rehabilitate his image?

[alarimer]

71. He is emblematic of everything that is wrong with our society

The glorification of anyone who can play a game. Not a real job; he plays a game. Yet he is more revered than any number of scientists or mathematicians who actually contribute useful knowledge. Tiger Woods is a leech, a parasite on society. So is every rich and famous athlete. They contribute nothing, yet in the dumbed-down American mind they are somehow people to be emulated? Whatever.

And this horseshit about "rehabilitating your image". It is not his image that need rehab; it's his brain. There is no changing the sociopath within; the guy who did whatever the hell he wanted just because he could. The whole "rehab" thing was a just a cynical ploy to regain his former place. He deserves to disappear and be forgotten.

It is long past time we stopped the adulation of scum like this. It is always a bad idea to put anyone on a pedestal. No one deserves it. No one.

[CBGLuthier]

75. Yaaaawn

[JVS]

77. A lot of people seem to have a deep seated fear that somewhere someone might be having fun.

[marmar]

80. Who cares that much?

nt

[Better Believe It]

82. He's the worlds greatest golfer. Glad to see him back and on his game.

The bigots are freaking out over his performance.

[lame54]

84. Colbert put it best...

Tiger used to sell Nike
Now - Nike is selling Tiger

[kentuck]

85. Some folks are misreading the story...

It is not so much about Tiger Woods as it is the media talking about Tiger Woods...