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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:29 PM
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Is the Best Antiwar Voice on TV Glenn Beck?
I mean that as a serious question. Now, I don't think Glenn Beck has much between his ears. I don't think he has a coherent principled view of anything, and I expect he would throw his own grandmother under a bus for a buck. His opposition to war is driven by the most disgusting priorities, lacks logic or coherence, and manages to co-exist with a certain strain of fascism for dummies. He thinks he can put the military in charge of Congress AND defund the military. Yet it may just be that his is the best antiwar voice on network or cable television. The bar is that low.

I mostly read books and have read Beck's. I don't have cable, and my television is stored in the garage. I watch the clips people send me online or blog about or post on FaceBook. I know there are good shows on smaller satellite and cable channels, including Democracy Now! which I watch online. But, as far as I know, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC have yet, in these weeks leading up to a congressional vote on another $33 billion to escalate war, to mention in any way the insanity of spending this kind of money.

I'm sure all of those channels do a better job of covering war atrocities than does Fox. (Again, that's a bar not measurably off the ground.) And if Rep. Jim McGovern's pointless bill asking the president to please plan to end the war someday gets any positive press, it probably won't be from Beck (unless Rep. Walter Jones gets to him). But McGovern's plan is to push his toothless and dateless can't-we-please-just-say-it's-not-permanent-daddy bill as an amendment to the $33 billion supplemental, thereby undoing or at least muddying what ought to be a fight against the funding -- not a fight for the funding with meaningless strings attached. Thus far, who has said more in public about opposing war funding than Jim McGovern? That's right, Glenn Beck.

He may have 85 shows in which he says the opposite. I wouldn't know. But look what he says here. Beck begins by telling his mostly rightwing audience that it is an admirable thing to change your mind, that this indicates you have learned something. He says he's "not Ron Paul but on the road to Ron Paul." This of course means that he is concerned about the financial cost and governmental power involved in militarism and imperialism. He doesn't want the money to be used for anything beneficial. He doesn't want to provide aid in place of bombs and troops. He doesn't seek to strengthen international law. He doesn't want war criminals or profiteers punished. But he's on the road to wanting the most useful thing possible out of Washington right now: an end to wars, and even to U.S. military bases all over the world.

Beck says that there are two reasons for his changing his mind. One is the money. The other is that he wasn't paying attention before 9-11 and now realizes that the United States wasn't "minding its business" and was "in bed with dictators" - and that "that causes problems". Here we have looking backward (a procedure forbidden by President Obama) and a statement of the causes of 9-11 (an action forbidden by Fox News for years). Beck is admitting that the "war on terror" is a cause of terrorism. When you combine that with the financial concern, it puts him "on the road to" opposing it. He's against "nation building" and "UN building," and completely oblivious to how the UN is weakened by our illegal invasions and occupations, or how it would be strengthened by shutting down our empire.

Beck has on two guests from the CATO Institute who want to shrink government, and want to shrink the military because it's part of the government. The guests say things I doubt you'll ever hear on GE's MSNBC, including that military spending damages the economy. Of course, they claim that this is because the military is part of the government, ignoring the many forms of government spending that actually benefit the economy. But, remember that low bar. At least they said it.

Beck jumps in to explain why he's only "on the road" to war opposition and not there yet. He says that he wants the United States to be the biggest and baddest nation there is. And yet, he says, he doesn't want to "mess with the rest of the world", he wants to find our own oil reserves, etc. This is an interesting way to confess that the wars are for oil. And that's a nice confession, don't get me wrong. But the lunacy of imagining that US oil reserves compare in any way to those of the Middle East just makes our new antiwar spokesperson seem ill informed. (He's onto the right foreign policy, but needs to combine it with diplomacy, restraint in wasteful lifestyles, and massive investment in green energy. Although he's closer to a solution than we might think before realizing that the military is our biggest consumer of the fuel it fights the wars to control.)

All is far from lost, however, as one of the guests points out that the United States would be made more secure if it pulled back foreign troops. And Beck jumps in with something else you won't hear too often on our public airwaves or the cable news channels: in Japan, he says, "they hate us, they're always complaining about us." You mean our foreign empire of bases antagonizes people all over the world? Who knew? Not most U.S. television viewers.

Beck's guests also point out that U.S. military spending absolutely dwarfs that of any possible enemies. They even note, in their best xenophobic manner, that some of our military spending is for other countries' militaries. The countries (presumably Israel and Egypt and those we're bribing to stay in the Afghan War "coalition", etc.) go unnamed. But then the conversation turns to the corruption of military contractors and Congress, during which Lockheed Martin is named as a typical offender. (You will see this kind of detailed concern about particular weapons costs on other channels when the White House talks about it, but rarely the overall picture. Rachel Maddow cheered for Obama lowering the military budget last year when he raised it.)

In the end, perhaps inevitably, Beck jumps off the deep end. Ignoring the fact that the military demands 99 percent of the money it wastes, and focusing on those rare instances in which Congress refuses to cut something the military doesn’t want, Beck says he wants the military to oversee Congress rather than vice versa. On the plus side, however, the military already does run Congress, and if its funding were cut, it would be a smaller force with diminished influence.

I'm not suggesting this seven minutes of thought-free rambling and ranting as model public discourse. I'm just pointing out that military and war spending is generally a taboo topic. When Rep. Barney Frank held a press conference last year about his plan to cut military spending, there was no press. If it takes a loony infotainment figure to forget the rule and state some simple but revolutionary truths, sandwiched between his usual bologna, well, what have we got (on television) that's better? I'm just asking.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:02 PM
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1. Ask the Russians what military spending
did for the old Soviet Union.
The road to empire is paved with failed republics.
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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:08 PM
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2. Probably the bravest post I have ever read on DU. rec nt
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:55 PM
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3. Beck is entertaining and puts on a good show ...
I don't agree with much that he has to say, but I enjoy the antics.

He probably does convince a lot of people that Democrats and Obama are moving us toward a socialist government.

It would be nice if we could come up with someone who could counter Beck's views with similar entertainment skills on a similar program.

I would recommend that anyone who hasn't watched Micheal Moore's "Capitalism: A Love Story" do so. Moore is also one very entertaining individual that points out truth. I doubt that he could be convinced to run a daily TV show.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:59 PM
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4. of course he could, as could hundreds of others
none of whom own a network
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:04 PM
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5. That is a major problem ...
If we could find a way to get the message out of how the rich are turning this country into a modern day feudal society, we might have the tea baggers supporting Democrats and Obama.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:44 PM
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10. then we'd
really be screwed
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:30 PM
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7. He is a flat out buffoon
...and a crackpot. A Glen Beck just wouldn't work on the left.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:31 AM
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21. I managed around 20 seconds, once.
'good show'? WTF?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:13 PM
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6. I knew it was only a matter of time
until you were agreeing with the likes of Glenn Beck.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 11:07 AM
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24. Sounds like somebody is holding a grudge
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 11:07 AM by arcadian
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:37 PM
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8. NO,
because he wouldn't be saying any of those things if a Republican was president!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:48 PM
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12. He criticize Rep's just as much.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:02 PM
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15. No he doesn't
It's extremely rare that he criticizes Republicans and when he does it's when they have said something mildly against the party line. But he ALWAYS 'criticizes' President Obama and Progressives. That's his shtick.

http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/glenn_beck

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:10 PM
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16. I'm in no mood to argue.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:39 PM
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9. He's just an opportunist and a melodrama performer.
His words are just a means to a selfish end.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:45 PM
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11. obviously
but how does that make someone else the best antiwar voice on TV?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:59 PM
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14. Best antiwar voice on TV?
How can you say that? You yourself point out that you don't watch tv. Seems kind of hard to make that declaration with out some evidence to back it up.


I suspect Beck will have about as much impact in the antiwar movement as the John Birch Society has had in getting us out of the UN.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 12:49 AM
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17. obviously
but name 1 better antiwar voice on tv, or 10 since it's so obvious
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:51 PM
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13. I wonder if I could ask a stupider question if I tried.
Edited on Sat Apr-17-10 10:52 PM by BlooInBloo
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/24/beck-slavery/

"CNN Headline News anchor Glenn Beck said tonight that if America withdraws from Iraq, it “would be America’s most shameful act of immorality since slavery,” adding that congressional war opponents are “just plain stupid” and “can’t see the future.”

Beck claimed that if U.S. forces pull out, a “genocide” will take place that makes Darfur “look like a picnic.” “The blood of the Iraqi children will be on all of our hands,” Beck said."
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 12:51 AM
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18. Well, that doesn't sound very "anti-war"...nt
Sid
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 09:25 AM
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19. If I wanted a REAL anti-war voice, then I would listen to Mike Malloy!
He not f***in around when it comes to his anti-war stance.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:32 AM
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22. no s---
and he's not on television
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:26 PM
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29. He's on television occasionaly, and Faux News always tries to pull his mic whenever he's on.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:30 AM
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20. In what year exactly did the rightwing nutjob Beck get anti-war?
huh?

And Beck, as usual, doesn't actually bother to make any sense, or have any coherent position, other than opposition to anything and everything the Obama administration is doing, all mixed in to Horowitz's insane and inane theory of a 40 year secret leftwing plot to overthrow capitalism.

The Cato Institute is promoting global corporate feudalism, same as Ron Paul. Their anti-war position is simply the logical result of applying their neo-feudalist world view to the current situation.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:47 AM
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23. That is the silliest post I have ever seen outside of The Lounge.
Congratulations.

You obviously forget that Beck is a contrarian and against any policy supported by this president.

He wouldn't say a thing about the military, defense spending, or war, if a Republican was in office, except that he supports all three.

He makes money by reflecting the 'double-think' of his audience. If he did otherwise, no one would have ever heard of him.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:38 PM
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25. Agreed
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 03:02 PM
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27. how could i forget any of that?
i have not made any statement about beck's soul other than that he would kill his grandmother for a buck

But not one person here has even so much as baselessly proposed a single alternative candidate for the best antiwar voice on TV or even any antiwar voice on TV at all

There aren't any

If you can grasp our universal understanding that beck is a principle-free scumbag and take a deep breath, then maybe you can look for a split second at the serious problem that everyone on TV pushes war

Maybe
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:48 PM
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26. Beck would be against a cure for cancer if it came out during an Obama administration
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 01:49 PM by NNN0LHI
When are people going to figure this shit out?

Don
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 03:03 PM
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28. hmm
can you identify a live human who has not figured that out?

that would be a start
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:53 PM
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30. The day contrarian meaningless gibberish substitutes for a genuine anti-war voice
Well, let's just say that Beck is allowed to voice anti-war sentiments because it pleases his paymaster, who thinks it tweaks "liberals." Actual analysis that supports the case against war isn't put out by Glenn Beck, the human cartoon. You might as well ask whether Bugs Bunny's portrayal of Leopold Stokowski in a Warner Bros. cartoon was a bold statement in favor of classical music.
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:01 AM
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31. Good, thoughtful post. Sorry I'm too late to REC and try to get you above 0! (nt)
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:58 AM
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32. Last Sept Beck said he wanted the US to use its military to carpet bomb the Middle East...
Beck advocated massive war bombing anywhere and everywhere in the Middle East saying during 'war' we should go 'all in', using our full military might just like we did during WWII and other wars. Beck was totally unconcerned that by carpet bombing the Middle East millions of innocent people would be killed. The 'war on terror' is not a conventional scenario. The enemy doesn't wear uniforms and they hold no territory. But Beck's idiotic rationale means that it's okay to bomb entire cities to get one bad guy. I wonder how Beck would feel if another country invaded the US to protect us from a tyrant and blew up his entire neighborhood of people because a suspected enemy was somewhere near. I wonder how Beck would feel if his entire family was blown up and killed? Would he be the cheerleader for all-out war as he is now?

It sickens me how those on the right so eagerly lust for war while safely hidden in their secret, dark studios. They eagerly send others to die in war and to kill innocent people because it doesn't affect them. They have no concern for the misery and suffering of others caused by cowardly warmongers like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and their ilk, none of whom have served their country. In fact, not one non-felon on Fox News or right wing radio have served in the military, not one! Yet they all lust for war, killing and destruction. And they don't care how much is spent on war either.
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