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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:31 PM
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•••• World & US come to an end - anti-Democratic tsunami predicted for November ••••
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 03:52 PM by breadandwine
Numerous sites are now quoting former Democratic NY Mayor Ed Koch as predicting that this November there is going to be an "anti-Democratic tsunami."

This is more real than many of you think because:

1) Obama never fixed the server hacking problem that even stole votes from him. Our election system is still being rigged with electronic voting. The tea bagger hysteria gives the elections riggers cover so they can say it wasn't the fault of the servers, it was the right wing gun nuts etc.

2) A lot of people aren't motivated to vote in mid-term elections and the fanatics vote. The right is angry and energized and the left is demoralized. The right wing's canned hate is helping to fuel this demoralization because we only hit back with kid gloves at best. The mass media is predicting defeat for the Democrats and this adds to the propensity of Democratic voters to stay home, sulk, and nurse their wounds in private. It all becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Before you blame MY prophesy here, consider that I'm not saying this in the mass media. The MASS MEDIA is saying it all on their own without my help.

3) Obama is doing nothing about Iran getting the atom bomb and by November they will have one and the GOP will be screeching that it's all Obama's fault. It will be like the 1950s when the hollering was about "Who let Russia get the bomb?!" We Democrats are acting like deer in headlights.


The hysteria you are seeing now on the right actually plays into GOP hands because it is a COVER for more election rigging.

President Obama made the same mistake President Clinton did. He pinned everything on healthcare. What we have in Obama's case is indeed a healthcare bill that passed but it is a far cry Medicare for all, which is so simple that only a fool would have thought that was a bad idea. What DID pass is not very appealing even to Democratic voters. Everybody would have accepted Medicare for all as it is something millions already have so it can't be denounced with fear mongering. Why President Obama didn't go for that instead of a convoluted plan that most people don't understand and which voters are very frightened of even now I'll never know. President Clinton lost Capitol Hill because of healthcare and so is Obama and nobody has a solution for how to rescue the situation.


These are the facts.

Combine this with a Democratic Party that won't fight and is full of WIMPS and can't hit back and you have the perfect storm for a GOP takeover. Also add to the mix that the fascist Supreme Court legalized election buying and there is going to be a tsunami of corporate cash buying elections this time around. The Supreme Court just perpetrated a judicial coup d'etat, nothing less, and everybody is acting like nothing happened, whistling in the graveyard instead of taking to the streets. People should have taken to the streets during the Supreme Court coup of 2000 and didn't then either. The only way to wrestle the political climate back to the Democrats is to GET ANGRY but nobody in the Democratic leadership is doing that.

Don't tell me not to "panic." We heard that for years while the Democrats brought knives to gunfights and going back even to that wimp Dukakis who wouldn't hit back. Don't panic! Don't panic! We're fine! And then Dukakis got CREAMED.

The Democrats are in for a disaster. We are headed for a fascist takeover for all intents and purposes, massive global warming because the GOP won't stop it, the loss of Obama's second half of his presidency and with that the loss of his reelection in 2012 and the dream come true for many of the fascists now running around in these tea party activities.

You think all this is not going to happen? Where is the evidence?

Obama spent a year chuckling while all these fascists lied and screamed about him. In the words of Shakespeare, "His antique sword, rebellious to his arm, lies where it falls, repugnant to command." (Hamlet, Act 2 Scene 2.)

In the words of Cervantes, "Forewarned, forearmed." So don't shoot the messenger here. Nobody in the Democratic Party is fighting the way the Republicans do. Lie after lie has been spread and nobody is making COUNTER ACCUSATIONS. Democrats are being almost prissy while the GOP is acting outraged, astroturf to be sure, but outrage every night on the news.

By the way, Rahm Emanuel is quitting the White House to go run for mayor of Chicago. Many people think he is a DLC rat. He certainly sucks up to the right, big time. But why is he suddenly LEAVING? Could it be he is a rat leaving a sinking ship? What does Rahm know that some other Democrats don't?

What - I - know is what I just said in this opening post. You can believe it and start fighting. Or you can twitter that "We're fine!" which is always the last bleating of wimpy campaigns that refuse to fight.

Say what you want. Over and over progressive bloggers and progressive radio hosts have been screaming that the DLC has been destroying the Democratic Party with its unilateral disarmament and they're right. Go argue with them if you will. In the words of Harry Truman, "If you run a Republican against a Republican, the Republican will win every time."

Meanwhile, the Democratic National Committee is being run by a wimp who replaced Howard Dean and the wimp doesn't believe in the 50 state strategy. All we have is one electoral defeat after another and the DLCer in Chief Emanuel running for the exit SO HE WON'T TAKE THE BLAME.

Anything else you need me to add, for those of you who still have blinders on their eyes?

This is an EXACT RERUN of the takeover of Congress by the GOP in the 1994 midterm elections under Clinton, only now the stakes are so much higher, because the whole planet is threatened by global warming. The GOP will also destroy net freedom. Just listen to the tea party people if you want an idea of the fascist state they're contemplating, because nothing is beyond their evil designs.

This is a party of TOTAL WIMPS.














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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:36 PM
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1. TLDR version: We're doomed.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:37 PM
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2. Tin foil wrapped too tight?
:tinfoilhat:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:38 PM
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3. 3 is ridiculous unless somebody sells them one
and I honestly don't think that is going to happen.

As for the anti Democratic tsunami, perhaps it might be better to remember that the antics on the far right are also turning off Republican voters.

The energized "base" is the teabagger base. Pay close attention to their turnout at their events and you might realize just how energized they really are.

Rahm Emanuel is one of Obama's biggest mistakes, a rabid anti liberal who controls access to the President. I think he might be looking for a new job before he's pushed out. It's obvious that his strategy of appeasing Republicans has been a dismal failure and Obama is smart enough to know it.

I'm not making any predictions for this fall. It's too soon to tell and it really could go either way. However, it's unlikely to be a "tsunami" for either side.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:44 PM
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6. You think after Obama gives Rahm the boot he'll stop posting here.
Cuz I'm kind of sick of his "liberals are useful idiots who need to be insulted and scared into line" shit.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:55 PM
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11. YOY, I would like to believe Rahm was given the boot. More likely he's leaving on his own --

to avoid taking the blame.






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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:16 PM
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24. I think it's clear that Obama's no longer following his advice.
Rahm doesn't want to stay if he's not top banana among Obama's inner circle, so he's now looking for other work.

Good thing too.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:46 AM
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46. I think Rahm is trying to make for the exit before he takes the blame.




He's taking the coward's way out, just like the cowardice with which he ran policy and so forth.








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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:07 PM
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37. Hope you're right, Warpy. But even a minority of nuts can add enormously to GOP turnout



if it's not matched by fanatics on the left turning out for the Democrats.


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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:53 AM
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47. I agree with you on #3...and I hope you're right about the rest.
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 07:07 AM by PassingFair
Obama must have hired Rahm because he was
a personal friend.

Their is no other reason, unless he was FOISTED
upon Obama, for completely demoralizing Obama's
progressive base right from the get-go.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:10 PM
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51. PassingFair, what I've read on Rahm's original appointment points in a different direction.

From what I understand it was Rahm's experience in the Clinton administration that made him appealing to Obama. He knows the ways of Washington as a White House insider. Obama wanted someone who was already in a Democratic White House. Also, Rahm was a Congressman with power on Capitol Hill and thus Obama thought he'd be able to navigate legislation through passage.

The problem is that Rahm is also a DLCer to the core.







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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:36 PM
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54. They are also both Chicago politicians and Rahm was, I'm sure,
instrumental in Obama's meteoric rise.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:50 AM
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55. Yeah, that's probably true too.

Anyway, I think it's kind of weird that he's leaving so soon.




Looks like the wimp threw in the towel even on his way out.




But the whole DLC crowd is a bunch of wimps and that's what's scary about this administration.



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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:39 PM
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4. I doubt it.
yes the dems will suffer losses but this won't be 1994 redux. calm the fuck down.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:56 PM
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13. Cali, translation of your words:


We're fine!


Don't panic!


Exactly what Democrats always say before they lose.





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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:12 PM
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21. reading comprehension is not your strong suit, but hyperbole
and hysteria certainly are. you panic over everything. No, I didn't say that everything was fine. I said I don't believe it will be a tsunami like loss.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:42 PM
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5. I'm going to laugh and laugh when more Dems take seats.
Oh how wrong the Party Of Fox News be! Dems will win and win and win...no one can forget what a return to Repuke control is like! Too late...gonna have to wait a generation or two imo.
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:55 PM
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12. I wouldn't be so certain of an outcome just yet...
It's not good to be over-confident. Better to continue pushing our issues and disproving the teabaggers and rethugs!
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:58 PM
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14. Rex, have you ever studied poli-sci or worked in Democratic campaigns? How old are you?


No Democrat IN HIS RIGHT MIND thinks Democrats will make GAINS this election cycle.




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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:11 PM
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20. Right, right.
Just keep spreading that lie.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:21 PM
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27. Yep. Best to take a realistic POV.
We're certainly not going to gain seats this year, but I don't think it's going to be the bloodbath that '94 was. For one thing, the Republicans actually had respectable poll numbers in '94. They're in the toilet today, and it's going to be a looooooong time before they'll be able to rehabilitate the Republican brand name after Bush. For another thing, the Democrats aren't going to be caught by surprise this time. It's the hidden blessing of the Martha Coakley clusterfuck - Dems are now paying attention, revising their strategies and sharpening their knives. Also, the economy's finally showing signs of sustained recovery - the unemployment rate's going to be going down in the next few months, consumer confidence will be going up, and that will take the wind out of the Teabaggers' sails.

The GOP will take about 25 seats in the House, 5 in the Senate, by my guess. It'll hurt, but it won't be a mortal wound.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:24 PM
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28. Nobody is noticing the GOP right now. They're not the target of the screamers.



We are.




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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:10 PM
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44. Your view is as delusional the OP's. nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:45 PM
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7. I'm not pissing myself yet.
n.t.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:59 PM
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15. In that case, YOY, you will not fight until it's too late.


Democrats need to get out from under the desk and out of the closet.


There is no evidence that they are really doing that.





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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:53 PM
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35. I fight for those who fight for me.
Those who do not...well I guess if the public is too stupid to remember the past 8 years...then well we get the govt. we deserve.

Feel free to keep wetting yourself though...
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:28 PM
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36. YOY, maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events, but if humanity got all it deserved


there wouldn't be a humanity by now.






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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:44 AM
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48. Bullshit. If anyone is quite up to recent events it's me. And once again stop pissing yourself.
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 07:45 AM by YOY
n.t.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:04 PM
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49. So then YOY it's your testimony that humanity should get treated like crap?



No further questions.









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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:48 PM
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8. I live in texas and am hopeful.
White is only 4 points behind cement head perry and is gaining. :)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:34 PM
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33. Same here, Perry must go.
So he can run for POTUS in 2012, we need a shoe in loser so we can win by a landslide!
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:52 PM
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9. I won't calm down..
I totally hear what you are saying and agree with you whole-heartedly. I'm a young liberal, myself, and was only 15 during the '94 elections; however I recall this information from history classes. History has proven to repeat itself, and we obviously have not been paying attention to the broad spectrum here.

The teabaggers are a mere blip in the radar; however look at how much of a reaction and voice the MSM shows them to have. I distrust the MSM; however its scary to see a crap load of Americans get brainwashed yet again by right wing antics.

Keep up with spreading the news; I know I do. The truth can hurt, but avoiding it can hurt us more.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 03:54 PM
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10. It almost seems as if the Dems do not want to stay in power. They are more comfortable
railing against the bad repukes while going along with almost every one of their proposals.

IF Obama and the Dems had come out with a real progressive agenda and pushed it, they would have many of the ignorant middle on their side because they could have simply and directly shown what the policies would do for the workers in this country. But they didn't.

IF Obama and the Dems had come out with a real progressive agenda and pushed it, they would have the enthusiastic support (and effort) of liberals who are tired of the lesser of two evils and would get behind a progressive leader to a degree not seen in a long time. But they didn't.

IF Obama and the Dems had come out with a real progressive agenda and pushed it, they could have easily painted the pukes as the party of the wealthy, defenders of the murderous insurance companies and banksters and Wall Street thieves. But they didn't.

So, it will be another plea for "you can't let the republicans back in because they will be so much worse."

I think of Capt. Picard's speech from "Yesterday's Enterprise" - "Not good enough, dammit! Not good enough!"
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:03 PM
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16. Exactly, T-Wolf. "Hey, the other side is even worse" is hardly a rally cry.


And nobody on our side is really fighting.


We're wimps. Deer in headlights.









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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:04 PM
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17. Fortunately for the Dems, the Repugs are looked upon with as much scorn.
"Throw the bums out!" is applicable to both parties. IMO, the Dems will lose a fair amount of seats because they have more to lose. But, a "Tsunami" like '94? More like a cold shower, which if history is any guide, the Dems will then further right to try and appease what they see as a disgruntled "middle", when in fact it's a disgruntled electorate disgusted at "politics as usual".
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:06 PM
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18. So go out there and vote.
Where is your vote going to land? Are you going to be part of the tsunami with a non-Democratic vote or not?

And the argument that there aren't enough true progressives in the mix doesn't hold. It's going to come down to D, R or possibly I, but pretty much D vs R. Which vote will you cast, or will you (and perhaps some disgruntled friends) stay home in protest and help the Rs take it?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:09 PM
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19. Establishment Democrats are going to lose and lose big but not for the reasons that Koch states.
They have done NOTHING substantial for the Average Working American.

Just scraps. It's more than the teabaggers who feel disenfranchised from the present right-wing "leadership" of the democratic party.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:13 PM
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22. what is an establishment dem? Is Pat Leahy an establishment dem?
Some dems will certainly lose, mostly dems in red and purple districts and they'll lose to republican candidates.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:16 PM
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25. IMO, the one's in Congressional "leadership" positions and other who have seemingly been there
since Jesus was a Corporal. It will not be a good year for "go along to get along" centrist Blue-Dogs.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:19 PM
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26. ShortnFiery, this situation is similar to what happened under Truman.




He sold out unions because he didn't want the GOP calling him a commie, so the workers stayed home and Democrats suffered huge losses on Capitol Hill as a result.

What we have is a situation in which the leadership of the party got this idea that they had to act like Republicans. In the meantime, nobody was minding the Democratic store as it were. Now the right is energized and the progressives not. In a midterm election that is a toxic brew.








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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:28 PM
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29. Sincere thanks for the education. There's no easy answer.
IF ONLY President Obama would at least REVERSE the Patriot Act and Close GITMO in addition to repealing DADT. Then many of us would, once again, have HOPE, that he's dedicated to the Constitution and The Rule of Law.

I'm so depressed by lack of real progressive legislation and/or action by this Administration.

Words fail me other than just "disheartened."
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:34 PM
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34. Yup, ShortnFiery, let me put it this way. Hope has been replaced by "Hope I'm not a Republican."


Because there's nobody at the top fighting.






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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:14 PM
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23. you forgot the "sarcasm" icon...
cuz surely you cant be serious.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:29 PM
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30. WE'RE DOOMED!!!! Thanks for the heads up - now I can stay home too...
Well, at least you got it off your chest.

Productive? Don't think so...
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:32 PM
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31. While the GOP calls us commies, why is it Democrats so rarely call THEM the "F" word:


FASCIST.


This is a party of wimps who almost always bring a knife to a gunfight.


Do you know why it's "okay" for the other side to call us commie etc.?


Because they aren't afraid of what others think and are willing to repeat themselves ad nauseam, UNLIKE US.


The Democratic Party is a party of wimps.



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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:32 PM
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32. We're DOOMED!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess we should just give up then.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:50 PM
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41. Arkana, maybe you need to reread the opening post.

The point I made is that IT IS THE DLC ESTABLISHMENT that has thrown in the towel, not us. If the party continues to act in a wimpy way, then we are doomed. Truly. No one is saying to give up. If you think that facing difficulty AND FACING REALITY equals giving up then you are evidently unable to fight except when the sun is shining.

The problem is that Democrats are acting like wimps. That is not an advocacy for the same.





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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:57 PM
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42. Dude, do you, like, get sarcasm at ALL?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:14 PM
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38. bwahahahahahaa
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:16 PM
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39. Koch: Obama is a sure loser in 2008 General Election
"In an interview with The Huffington Post, Koch warned that despite Obama's lead in every single primary election metric, the Illinois Democrat simply would not be able to best John McCain come November."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/ed-koch-obama-is-a-sure-l_n_100697.html
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:39 PM
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40. Oh Noooooeess!!!
Teh teabaggers are wonning!!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:59 PM
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43. Demoralized my ass.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:50 PM
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45. Koch has been a shill for Israel lately. Israel is mad at Obama because he wouldn't
put up with their crap.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:05 PM
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50. (facepalm)
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:13 PM
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52. I doubt the Republicans will need to hack anything to win big in the mid-terms.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the insurance bill fiasco is going to burn the party part big time.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:17 PM
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53. Maybe, NaturalHigh. But I think every election stealing trick will be used so that none exclusively

gets blamed. All the dirty tricks help provide cover for each other. They're all diversionary tactics for each other.




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