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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:00 PM
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An e-mail from a republican co-worker
Joey: IMHO there are very few Patriots left in America. I am one of them, because I don't lack the courage to speak my mind and have published what I think regardless of who the President is. Case in point is my article calling Obama a Marxist, immediately after the election. Additionally, I sent him a letter calling him a Marxist, Race-baiter and a Lightweight (one who can handle the 3AM phone call) immediately after he referred to the Cambridge Police Officer as "acting stupidly".

What America doesn't need:

America doesn't need Big-Government Republicans. (There is nothing wrong with calling "Liberal" Republicans "unpatriotic".
America doesn't need Big-Government Democrats. (There was a time when Democrats loved America. My Grandfather did, but if your idea of loving America is to take from wealthy people to give to greedy-needy people, then you are a Marxist who HATES AMERICA!)
America doesn't need dope-smoking Hippie's who defy "reasonable" authority. (This is when the leadership of the Democratic Party started HATING AMERICA)
America doesn't need idiots who defend dope-smoking Hippie's who defy "reasonable" authority. (Democrats like my Grandfather were sympathetic to the Chicago Police and not the Hippie Protestors in 68)
America doesn't need a punitive progressive tax system that steals money from working/wealthy Americans to give to non-working Losers who call themselves Americans. (The 16th Amendment was passed by people who called themselves "Progressives" at the beginning of the 20th Century. They were not Progressives, they were Marxists.)
America doesn't need idiots who defend our current tax system and want to steal more money from working/wealthy Americans. (If you support an Income Tax, Republican or Democrat, then you just aren't a "REAL" American)
America doesn't need Marxist Wealth Redistribution programs. (When Obama said, "We are going to fundamentally transform America" he was essentially saying, We are going to go beyond what Europe has done and actually adopt the principles of Karl Marx.)
America doesn't need idiots who think Marxist Wealth Redistribution programs are fair-play or leveling the playing field. (Progressives, Real Progressives don't criticize Marx. They criticize people like me who criticizes Marx. Obama sincerely believes that Marx is better than Madison. After all Madison owned slaves, so he was the racist responsible for establishing America a racist country that only enriches the wealthy while stepping on the working man)
America doesn't need race-baiting politicians who harbor their own feelings of either racial-hatred or racial-inadequacy. (Obama is a race-baiter; the Professor Gates incident and his rush to judgment proved that.)
America doesn't need illegal immigrants turned into voters over night by an unpatriotic Party that controls 2 of the 3 branches of government. (Amnesty and Fast Track to citizenship is a plan of Obama and the Democrats and they will receive help from an Unpatriotic Republican whom I call Lindsay Graham-nesty.)
For me the bottom-line is, I understand why people voted for Obama and that is forgivable given Obama's lies and the way he presented himself. However, anyone who would support Barack Hussein Obama now given all that he's revealed about his agenda, that individual is "unpatriotic" and/or "stupid" from my point of view. Anyone who thinks that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are leading America in the correct direction is an idiot with no historical point of reference concerning America OR if they do understand where Reid, Pelosi and Obama are taking the country, yet still support them; then they are not only unpatriotic but they are traitors to the "American Dream" and the American "way of life".
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:03 PM
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1. Is there some point to be made in posting this?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:29 PM
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11. ^What she said...eom
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #1
30. I agree. There is no shortage of stupid.
We can hear stupid anywhere.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:04 PM
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35. I don't need to make no stinkin' point
:)..........
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:35 PM
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41. The Atrocities seen on TV of the Chicago Police in '68 change my Mom's mind completely
I guess the reader's granddad that she is so proud of missed the investigations and facts that confirmed that those men were OUT OF CONTROL.

Many people, including women were beaten and abused who were not even protesters.

This office co-worker has ended the screed with the comment that all liberals are traitors, so I guess she is insinuating that she approves of violence against fellow Americans because of their thoughts.

I guess that where I would start if I were actually confronted with this person.
I would defend my patriotism.

Then I would ask for her definitions of Marxism and ask her if she buys products from China?

Could I actually talk to this person and not lose my temper?

I would ask to contrast and compare the Militia in Michigan that wanted to kill cops with the
long haired hippies who put flowers in cops rifles.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:06 PM
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2. Ask him if he's a "Freeman"
Sorry you have to work with such a fool.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:08 PM
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3. here's your response
"On what planet is political spam appropriate for the workplace?"
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:10 PM
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4. Tell him that you're sleeping with his wife
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:12 PM
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5. Tell him that you're sleeping with his boyfriend.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:04 PM
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25. And she's not all that good either...
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:08 PM
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37. Tell him that an "undocumented worker" is sleeping with his wife
Edited on Fri May-14-10 06:10 PM by gmoney
Or several.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:14 PM
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6. Tell them they're welcome to their opinion, but
you'd be more interested in facts supported by creditable sources with personal knowledge of the facts alleged.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:15 PM
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7. That's a pretty un-American load of shit. The person who sent that is a FASCIST and a TRAITOR. n/t
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:21 PM
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8. Ask him what "American Dream" and the American "way of life" means.
Then post his response here. I'd like to know.

Oh, and please tell him to be a bit more succinct...
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:23 PM
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9. You can start by learning how to punctuate,spell and construct sentences.
Them we can move on to substantiating your claims.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:27 PM
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10. Just tell your friend that he is an idiot.
There is no way that you can respond to a big pack of lies. Don't get sucked in arguing with an idiot.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:30 PM
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12. I'll agree with this... don't get sucked in....
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
24. Two analogies about pigs come to mind.
"Never wrestle with a pig. You'll get all muddy and the pig enjoys it."

And

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and it annoys the pig."

Pick whichever one seems appropriate.

Seriously, ignore it! If it is followed up by more emails, then block his email address.

Don't get into arguing. You could lose your job!
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:31 PM
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13. My response would be: "I'm busy, don't send me non work-related crap, as I
Edited on Wed May-12-10 12:33 PM by LeftinOH
am not going to read it. Signed, 'Peace & Love' your Marxist America-hating co-worker"
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:32 PM
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14. "Dope-Smoking Hippies"?
1968 called. It wants its rant back.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:33 PM
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15. Tell him that punctuation is his friend . . . then comes content, then ideas . . .
Then again, block his email. Probably easier that way.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:35 PM
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16. Not that he will understand this
but do point out that this progressive tax idea comes from Adam Smith, not Karl Marx... you know he prays at the Church of Smith but I am betting he's never read THE BOOK. (Wealth of Nations)

After that point out to him that if he don't realize this little fact, everything else he said is suspect.

Oh and that he is entitled to his opinion but not his facts.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:36 PM
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17. Correct it the way an English teacher would
pointing out the misuse of capitals and apostrophes (i.e. "dope-smoking Hippie's") among many other errors and send it back with a grade.

I would imagine any jerk that would send this out at work is also an "English only" nut.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:00 PM
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23. +1. And don't let anything slide.
The punctuation and such should be rather easy. From there, go about tearing apart his ridiculous assertions. When all is done, give the guy an F+, at least he tried. And idiots like this don't speak English, they speak Amurikan. English is for those fops overseas.
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Junkie Brewster Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:37 PM
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18. Did he use work time and resources to send this?
If he used his paid time at work to send this on a work computer, using the work network, to send it to your work computer to be read during your paid time at work, isn't he cheating his employer? I mean, he is getting access for free, and is basically stealing money from the company, in the form of using work time to create and send something that's definitively not work related. Doesn't this violate his conservative values?
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:28 PM
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27. The same question goes to posting it onto an internet forum. nt
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Junkie Brewster Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:26 PM
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29. Not entirely
Because at least on an internet forum, you're not wasting the time and energy of your co-workers. Unless, of course, they are also on the forum.

:yoiks:
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:33 PM
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31. Yes, entirely
"...If he used his paid time at work to send this on a work computer, using the work network, to send it to..." an internet forum "...isn't he cheating his employer?..."

"I mean, he is getting access for free, and is basically stealing money from the company, in the form of using work time to create and send something that's definitively not work related...."

Your words, not mine. Looks the same to me. The only difference is instead of wasting time and energy of coworkers, it is only the time and energy of the person posting on the internet forum.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:06 PM
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36. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
chillspike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:47 PM
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19. What a light weight...
...In a debate, I would have this person up against the ropes in about 3 minutes.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:52 PM
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20. a few remarks
"Joey: IMHO there are very few Patriots left in America. I am one of them, because I don't lack the courage to speak my mind and have published what I think regardless of who the President is. Case in point is my article calling Obama a Marxist, immediately after the election. Additionally, I sent him a letter calling him a Marxist, Race-baiter and a Lightweight (one who can handle the 3AM phone call) immediately after he referred to the Cambridge Police Officer as "acting stupidly"."

Joining a mindless, popular movement is not courage. Especially when you are so dead wrong.

"What America doesn't need:"

Opinionated ignorant assholes?

"America doesn't need Big-Government Republicans. (There is nothing wrong with calling "Liberal" Republicans "unpatriotic". "

Right, let's roll back our crushing military budget. We spend more on war than every other country on Earth put together.

"America doesn't need Big-Government Democrats. (There was a time when Democrats loved America. My Grandfather did, but if your idea of loving America is to take from wealthy people to give to greedy-needy people, then you are a Marxist who HATES AMERICA!)"

This is a dreadful admission of ignorance, stupidity or just general self-important arrogance. Frankly, there is nothing in the D. party that remotely approaches Marxism. If you actually knew what Marxism was, you would know that. Frankly, the new Conservative govt. in Britian is still to the left of almost every D. officeholder in this country. The new PM supports gay marriage, CO2 reductions and has no plans to end the country's govt. run healthcare system. Meanwhile, U.S. Democrats can't even agree that their should even be a public insurance alternative to parasitic, corporate healthcare. You are in no position to judge who loves America and who doesn't. Frankly, if you agree with the racist, fascist Republican/Teabagger movement, you hate democracy. And no one who hates democracy loves America. These days, you people have given me little reason to love my country. You are killing everything that makes it good or great.

"America doesn't need dope-smoking Hippie's who defy "reasonable" authority. (This is when the leadership of the Democratic Party started HATING AMERICA)"

Hippies? What century are you living in, because it isn't this one. And you're wrong. They hated what the authoritarian powers-that-be were doing to this country: segregation, endless war, and the soulless consumer society. On those last two issues, it ought to be clear that the hippies lost. Civil rights was a few years before the hippies, but that only succeeded because our imperious, war-mongering president was sympathetic to the civil rights cause.

"America doesn't need idiots who defend dope-smoking Hippie's who defy "reasonable" authority. (Democrats like my Grandfather were sympathetic to the Chicago Police and not the Hippie Protestors in 68)"

What we don't need are up-tight, paranoid, right-wing zombies who hate when they are told, who actually believe what Fox Noise tells them. Unless you are an oil tycoon, you are fighting against your own interests and those of your friends and family. Those who oppose efforts of the Federal govt. to regulate gigantic, wealthy interests are traitors not only to their country, but to their family, friends and themselves.

You see, libertarian freedom is not an option. The actual choices before us are either corporate domination of every aspect of our lives or a strong Federal govt. that stands up to them on our behalf. Sorry, but the way things are now, being left along is just not going to happen.

"America doesn't need a punitive progressive tax system that steals money from working/wealthy Americans to give to non-working Losers who call themselves Americans. (The 16th Amendment was passed by people who called themselves "Progressives" at the beginning of the 20th Century. They were not Progressives, they were Marxists.)"

The 16th Amendment was passed by the legislatures of 3/4 of the states. If they were Marxist, then so was the whole country. You have completely mischaracterized the nature of progressive taxation. Apparently, "Thou shalt naught bear false witness against thy neighbor" means nothing to you. Who the hell do you think made the wealthy rich in the first place? It was the rest of us laboring on their behalf. This is an example of how you hate most of America. Workers who made the wealthy rich are citzens, that is shareholders, in this country and deserve a fair share of the wealth they (you) created. They also deserve an economic system that is not rigged by the rich and powerful. If they are "losers" it is because the fight was fixed. You are too damn stupid to see that.

BTW, "stealing" by definition is unlawful. Ergo, taxes are not theft.

"America doesn't need idiots who defend our current tax system and want to steal more money from working/wealthy Americans. (If you support an Income Tax, Republican or Democrat, then you just aren't a "REAL" American)"

'All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to their jurisdiction are citizens of the United States.' You are against the Constitution and, therefore, are unamerican. And again, working Americans and wealthy Americans are not the same thing. If you support an accumulation of wealth into a rich elite ruling class, then you are a traitor to the revolution.

"America doesn't need Marxist Wealth Redistribution programs. (When Obama said, "We are going to fundamentally transform America" he was essentially saying, We are going to go beyond what Europe has done and actually adopt the principles of Karl Marx.)"

Labeling something as Marxist does not immediately discredit it, you know. You're head is still stuck in the Cold War. Allowing working people to keep more of what they make by causing those with the most to pay the most is not Marxist. Apparently, you are content with the scrapes from your master's table. Also, taking care of those in need is simply a human thing to do. You people are all "me-me-me!" For you to have the opportunities you want means you have to help take care of the country that sustains you. People work hard everywhere. Most of them live and die in poverty. It is the very things you are attacking that often prevents that here. You can't get something for nothing in this world. You cannot have low tax rates and ignore civic duties and still live in a great nation that makes personal success stories possible.

"America doesn't need idiots who think Marxist Wealth Redistribution programs are fair-play or leveling the playing field. (Progressives, Real Progressives don't criticize Marx. They criticize people like me who criticizes Marx. Obama sincerely believes that Marx is better than Madison. After all Madison owned slaves, so he was the racist responsible for establishing America a racist country that only enriches the wealthy while stepping on the working man)"

You obviously have no idea what the President thinks. You seem to be suggesting that slave owners of the 18th and 19th century were beyond criticism. You bitch about racism, but you are the ones that actually think that slavery was no big deal. When you talked about respect for reasonable authority, you obviously did not mean the lawfully elected President of the United States. Face it, you guys lost. America has rejected your point of view and now you are throwing a tantrum.

"America doesn't need race-baiting politicians who harbor their own feelings of either racial-hatred or racial-inadequacy. (Obama is a race-baiter; the Professor Gates incident and his rush to judgment proved that.)"

You have got to be kidding me. A self-made man who became our first Black president despite racism is a racist. That ought to be too idiotic even for you.

And BTW, it has been standard R. strategy for the past 50 years to use white anxiety and below-the-surface bigotry to divide the country, especially the South, and convince ignorant white people to vote against their own interests for R.s.

"America doesn't need illegal immigrants turned into voters over night by an unpatriotic Party that controls 2 of the 3 branches of government. (Amnesty and Fast Track to citizenship is a plan of Obama and the Democrats and they will receive help from an Unpatriotic Republican whom I call Lindsay Graham-nesty.)"

That's a lie. No one is proposing making illegal aliens citizens without a lengthy (years) review process.

"For me the bottom-line is,..."

You're an idiot.

"I understand why people voted for Obama and that is forgivable given Obama's lies and the way he presented himself. However, anyone who would support Barack Hussein Obama now given all that he's revealed about his agenda, that individual is "unpatriotic" and/or "stupid" from my point of view."

Yes, but your point of view is from under a rock.

"Anyone who thinks that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are leading America in the correct direction is an idiot..."

My complaint is that they and the President are still clinging to the parasitic, corporate model and are not doing things that we genuinely need like repealing the Bush tax cuts to reduce our debt, making a real national health care system or reducing CO2 pollution.

"...with no historical point of reference concerning America...."

What I find most gauling about the average, willfully ignorant, angry voter is how quickly they are to call others uninformed.

"...OR if they do understand where Reid, Pelosi and Obama are taking the country, yet still support them; then they are not only unpatriotic but they are traitors to the "American Dream" and the American "way of life". "

Accusing others of what they are guilty of is a pretty common tactic for the political right. They have spent the last 30 years dismantling any chance at what some call the American dream for most people. They are anti-dissent, anti-democratic and spend their lives protecting themselves from cognitive dissonance rather than seeking the truth. They believe they have a right to their opinions and to have contradicting facts suppressed. Basically, they oppose everything that is good about America and support everything thaty is ugly and hateful. All the while, they sink deeper and deeper into ruin and blame those who offer them assistance for it.

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #20
40. WOW. . . Great Response!
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:54 PM
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21. Either block this sad person's emails or delete them unread
Edited on Wed May-12-10 01:42 PM by DeschutesRiver
What's the point in reading them? I glanced through it, and my only impression is of a fading way of life that is of no concern to me.

People of this ilk honk on about the same things, in the same dishonest way, and think that a loud and repetitive voice about such matters is the mark of being a patriot. It is sad that some people are this thick headed, but not much of a concern any more to any rational U.S. citizen. Their ranks aren't gaining; rather they are slowly dwindling. Their idols like Palin are seeing ticket sale slumps; Beck hasn't many advertisers; Rush just rambles on trying to light a fire under these freaks, but even his exaggerations and lies aren't making more people flock to join up. What they think is becoming irrelevant - vile and reprehensible, but irrelevant nonetheless. I mean really, "dope smoking hippies?" Tired, played out people with nothing else meaningful going on in their lives, so they pull out every worn out phrase they've ever heard.

They aren't on the cutting edge of some "movement" - they are merely the people who've choosen to be left behind the rest of society. They really want to stay there too, which is why you can't reason with them. I say leave them alone to enjoy their misery and commiserating with each other. I'm just leaving them to their fantasies, hoping they spend as much time as they want sidetracked by repeating the same tired phrases over and over again.

Really, what does stuff like this have to do with normal folk? Zero. I used to get pissed off in the beginning, but now enough time has passed that they've convinced me that they don't wish to have honest discourse. People like this just wanna whine, and are not capable of being effective in a way that would make me worry about their actions any longer. I did at first, until they proved to be all whine, and very little action.

I treat them like a rabid animal or a rare human disease: yes, I might run into trouble from such a thing sometime in my life, but the odds aren't high enough to worry much about such rare potential encounters.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:57 PM
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22. Ask him to surrender his Social Security Card immediately. And then offer to
Edited on Wed May-12-10 12:59 PM by sinkingfeeling
send him to a Political Science course so he can learn what 'Marxism' is.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:23 PM
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26. I don't understand their
continual defense of the wealthy. Why is it okay for a good portion of those wealthy people to make their bucks while screwing those at the bottom? Why is it okay for them to destroy the environment? Why is it okay for them to reduce the wages of those that they hire and make them work more for less? Why is it okay for them to house their millions to billions in other countries or at off shore accounts and pay little to NO taxes? Why do these people defend this and brown nose the wealthy? Do they think they will get some crumbs from the wealthy or someday be part of their club?? Ain't gonna happen!!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:36 PM
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28. Well, it will too happen! All they have to do is spend enough on Megabucks lottery tickets!
Edited on Wed May-12-10 01:37 PM by sinkingfeeling
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:42 PM
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32. Karl Marx, Hippies?
What about what Bush did?

Barack Hussein Obama - by ending with this little dig towards our president - he shows his true colors and it's got nothing to do with big government, because Bush was all about big government, big wars, big tax cuts -

Surely there's a company policy about this - if not, make one happen.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:47 PM
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33. Most companies have a policy against e-mails of a political or religious nature.
Tell him thanks for the e-mail but due to company policy he really should not send e-mails of a political or religious nature. If it's your personal e-mail, well, not sure what to do. I have been lucky in that I haven't received these kinds of e-mails from friends or family.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:23 PM
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34. "dope smoking hippies"
:spray: well at least he does seem to realize that was in 1968. He still can't seem to make the connection though that those "dope smoking hippies" are either extinct or those that are left are mostly retired senior citizens ... too funny. :rofl:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:13 PM
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38. Suggested response
You lost. Get over it.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:21 PM
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39. Tell him to take you off his list to send stupid right wing fascist e-mails to.
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