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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:20 PM
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Obama meets with US puppet, Karzai, who suggests we 'manage our media' better
Edited on Wed May-12-10 12:33 PM by Mari333
The ability to disagree on issues of importance to our respective countries and peoples is not an obstacle to achieving our shared objectives,” she said. “Rather, it reflects a level of trust that is essential to any meaningful dialogue and enduring strategic partnership.”

Mrs. Clinton ticked off a list of accomplishments in Afghanistan under Mr. Karzai, including the fact that Kabul now has its own American Chamber of Commerce. She lamented that these achievements are not reported as widely as Afghanistan’s well-known problems.

Mr. Karzai picked up on that, saying, “Perhaps we should do a better job of talking to the media, or — if I may say — of managing the media.”








http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/world/asia/12karzai.html?ref=world

as if the MSM isnt managed enough by multinational corporations who profit from neverending occupations


sickening.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:25 PM
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1. MSM: We're lying as fast as we can!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:27 PM
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2. he thinks he is the shah of Kabul
mister big shot shmoozing with the DC elite...and we know what happened to the shah of Iran

man, we never fucking learn, do we.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:28 PM
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3. Um, Hillary Clinton isn't Obama. And the Moderators SHOULD lock your thread since it's intentionally
misleading.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:30 PM
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6. wrong. The article is about Obama meeting with Karzai too, at the white house
Edited on Wed May-12-10 12:31 PM by Mari333
Hillary was there, too.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:29 PM
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4. Translation: "Let's blame this lost war on the media." K&R
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:29 PM
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5. The media is already managed
with precision and effectiveness to the point that it is taking a rather long time for more people to see it as manufactured agitprop.

Ah, but why not up the ante? It is working so well that the Simulation can always improve on itself to ensure that the livestock stay in the hyperreality and produce profit and service to the masters of that mind-enfolding manipulation machine that shapes the cultural reality of millions.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:32 PM
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7. Obama is wearing heels now?
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:38 PM
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8. Yes. And it is sheer HELL to play basketball in those things.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:41 PM
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9. Dang. Well I for one am impressed. nt
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:04 PM
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14. They give "fast break" a whole new meaning. nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:41 PM
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10. KARZAI should be schoozing with the corporate republicons
if he wants to control the media spin...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:44 PM
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11. Obama ordered security officials to improve relations with Hamid Karzai
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x43

Barack Obama orders security officials to improve relations with Hamid Karzai

Source: Guardian UK

Barack Obama orders security officials to improve relations with Hamid Karzai
Afghan president will shortly arrive in Washington for a potentially fraught meeting

Andrew Clark, New York
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 9 May 2010 18.37 BST

Barack Obama has ordered his top officials to take a gentler approach towards the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, who arrives in Washington tomorrow for a potentially fraught meeting after a period of prickly disagreements over troop withdrawals, corruption and security.

According to the Washington Post, Obama has told his national security team to show more respect to Karzai and to pull back from public criticisms of the Afghan leader, who was re-elected last year in a contest marred by deep irregularities.

Relations have soured in recent months, with Karzai alarmed that the US has set a deadline of July 2011 for the start of troop withdrawals. Last month Karzai accused foreign governments, including the US, of causing fraud in last year's presidential election and even reportedly threatened to join the Taliban if he did not get better treatment.

The relationship hit a low point after a visit by Obama to Kabul at the end of March, when Karzai took offence at remarks made by the White House's national security adviser, James Jones.

more
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:47 PM
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12. kissing his ass to keep our puppet happy so we can continue making money for
the ever expanding military industrial complex and war machine that runs the USA


man, we have seen this before, over and over again.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:00 PM
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13. and yet we use others to demonize
being a corrupt and anti-democratic "leader" is obviously not always a problem when we pick our friends.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:10 PM
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16. of course! we attack saddam hussein to steal their oil but kiss saudi arabia's ass
and saudis were funding 9/11

and hussein had nothing to do with it..

did it matter? no


god, these assholes are so transparent.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 02:59 PM
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17. always the same dishonesty
and lies
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:09 PM
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15. Maybe UNOCAL will re-employ Karzai?
Things don't end well for guys who like to think they rule Afghanistan.

More history: From ENRON Entanglements to UNOCAL Bringing the Taliban to Texas and Controlling Afghanistan by Tom Turnipseed.



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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:02 PM
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18. I think the M$M does a great job at keeping citizens out of the loop.
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:04 PM
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19. why do you call him Obama's puppet? nt
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:29 PM
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20. You think it's the other way 'round?
So Karzai is the one with his hand up Obama's ass, and makes his hands wave and his mouth flap?

It's true Karzai yanks back hard on his strings, like Diem did in Vietnam, but at the end of every day Hamid is still alive and dictator of Afghanistan only because Obama keeps him alive.
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:30 PM
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21. ; ) I like you... nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:35 PM
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22. rec'd to zero, and .....Obama, Karzai say "differences were overstated"
Edited on Wed May-12-10 03:35 PM by amborin
Obama, Karzai Say Past Differences "Were Simply Overstated"
Wednesday 12 May 2010

Washington - President Barack Obama and Afghan President Hamid Karzai sought Wednesday to project a unified front on defeating the Taliban-led insurgency, acknowledging past differences but insisting that reports of tensions over corruption in Karzai's government and civilian deaths from U.S. military operations were overblown.

Speaking at a White House news conference with Karzai, Obama insisted that the U.S.-led military campaign is beginning to "reverse" the expansion of the insurgency and he urged Americans to have patience, warning that "there is going to be some hard fighting over the next couple of months."

"We are steadily making progress," Obama said, adding that he remains confident that U.S. troop withdrawal can begin in July 2011 as districts cleared of Taliban fighters in south and east Afghanistan are turned over to Afghan government control.
The news conference came on the third day of Karzai's four-day visit to Washington with a delegation of his top officials aimed at soothing friction between his government and the Obama administration.

The administration has laid on the full red-carpet treatment for the Afghan leader in an effort to confine behind closed doors serious tensions over Karzai's failure to crack down on corruption throughout his government fueled by narcotics trafficking, his continued patronage of ethnic warlords and other issues.

For his part, Karzai has complained repeatedly about civilian casualties caused by U.S.-led military operations, and he unleashed a series of anti-Western diatribes reflecting the pressure he is under from popular discontent over the U.S.-led military force's failure to crush the Taliban-led insurgency after nearly nine years of war.
Karzai's visit came amid a U.S. troop buildup and offensive operations aimed at extending his government's authority across the Taliban's heartland of southern Afghanistan.

Obama and Karzai insisted that relations between their governments are closer than ever, while conceding that there have been disagreements.
"Obviously there are going to be tensions in such a complicated and difficult environment and in a situation in which, on the ground, both Afghans and Americans are making enormous sacrifices," Obama said.
But, he said, reports about their differences "were simply overstated."
"There are days when we have definitely had a difference of opinion," said Karzai, speaking in English. "The bottom line is that we are much more strongly related to each other today than we ever were before.......


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:03 PM
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23.  "Simply Overstated"
maybe that is the most frightening aspect.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:56 PM
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25. the Orwellianism of it all
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:09 PM
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24. Misleading title
The focus of the article is on his meeting with SoS Clinton, not the President.

He said what he said while meeting with Clinton. Why are you hanging the President's name on this OP? To maximize the negativity toward him?

Unrec.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:57 PM
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26. not misleading; Obama & Karzai met & discussed this today:
Obama, Karzai Say Past Differences "Were Simply Overstated"
Wednesday 12 May 2010

Washington - President Barack Obama and Afghan President Hamid Karzai sought Wednesday to project a unified front on defeating the Taliban-led insurgency, acknowledging past differences but insisting that reports of tensions over corruption in Karzai's government and civilian deaths from U.S. military operations were overblown.

Speaking at a White House news conference with Karzai, Obama insisted that the U.S.-led military campaign is beginning to "reverse" the expansion of the insurgency and he urged Americans to have patience, warning that "there is going to be some hard fighting over the next couple of months."

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:00 PM
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28. have patience!!?? what planet does he live on..oh yeah, the corporate elite planet
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 06:59 PM
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27. oh and yet Obama is also meeting with himand he is in the white house
but you choose to ignore that..Clinton is part of the Obama administration.

Karzai is a US puppet, and a tool. if Obama cant handle the heat of criticism he should stay out of politics.
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