Oh No, Gov. Brewer of AZ lies about her father dying at the hands of Nazi's during WWII

[WI_DEM]

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is so upset that some have invoked Godwin's Law when discussing her state's new Latino ethnic cleansing law.

"The Nazi comments . . . they are awful," she said, her voice dropping. "Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that . . . and then to have them call me Hitler's daughter. It hurts. It's ugliness beyond anything I've ever experienced."

Compelling! Except that she's pulling a Mark Kirk.

Gov. Jan Brewer said in a recent interview that her father died fighting Nazis in Germany. In fact, the death of Wilford Drinkwine came 10 years after World War II had ended.

During the war, Drinkwine worked as a civilian supervisor for a naval munitions depot in Hawthorne, Nev. He died of lung disease in 1955 in California.

Brewer made the comment to The Arizona Republic while talking about the criticism she has taken since signing SB 1070, the new immigration law that makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally.

"Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that... and then to have them call me Hitler's daughter. It hurts. It's ugliness beyond anything I've ever experienced," Brewer said in the story, published Tuesday.

Officials with the governor's administration said her statement should not be taken to mean that she was claiming her father was a soldier in Germany during the Nazi regime.

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[livetohike]

1. "should not be taken to mean...." Oh, then what is it supposed

to be taken to mean, other than what she said? These people are all insane.

[badgerpup]

28. Umm...

I can't see any other way to interpret what she said either...no matter HOW you parse the statement.

"My father died fighting the Nazi Regime" indicates soldier, in Europe, in battle during WW2.


Even if she meant that "He was railing against the Nazi regime even while on his deathbed", that still isn't the same thing.

[mod mom]

2. WTF is wrong w these pathological liars. Haven't they heard about the newly created gizmo google?

[joeybee12]

3. Now I've seen and heard it all...A Republican who lies! Shocking!

:sarcasm:

[elleng]

4. A lie, or a stretttttch???

'died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that'

'During the war, Drinkwine worked as a civilian supervisor for a naval munitions depot in Hawthorne, Nev. He died of lung disease in 1955 in California.'

[Eric J in MN]

6. I'd use the term "misleading" NT

NT

[LanternWaste]

45. As it's not true, I'd use the term "lie" NT

As it's not true, I'd use the term "lie" NT

[GodlessBiker]

9. How old was she when he died?

[elleng]

42. She said, '11.' HER version.

[hlthe2b]

12. I didn't know the truth could stretch so far....

Of course for Rethugs, the truth must be just like silly putty.

[Gormy Cuss]

13. A Convenient Untruth

IOW, a Republican lie. Her father worked stateside so I guess Brewer can also claim that he died fighting the Japanese too.

[hlthe2b]

14. true.. which makes him all the more amazing...

how many can say they served in both fronts? :sarcasm:

[freeplessinseattle]

57. did he get lung disease because of his job?

on edit: found out downthread he did, but still her statement was deliberately trying to conjure up a heroic on the field type of image, so she handily left out specifics.

[Caliman73]

67. A LIE...a stretch is a lie.

The purpose of her statement was to create an image of her father that would bolster her own credentials as an anti-racist. She deliberately withheld details in the statement that would have lessened the impact of the statement. While civilians in the war effort did help and were important to the war effort, to say "My father died fighting the Nazi..." implies that the Nazis were directly responsible for his death, which implies that he died in combat.

Here is a hypothetical...If I say, "my dad died in Vietnam, he's a hero" Your assumption would be that my father died doing something heroic like saving a buddy, or rushing a machine gun nest. If I were to tell you later that he actually fell into a foxhole in Da Nang during the monsoon season and drowned because he was drunk, that would change the image. My statement in that context would have been deliberately vague to cause you to see my father in a way that was not honest.

That is what Brewer did by failing to mention that her father worked stateside. That doesn't make what her father did for the war effort meaningless. Just like in my hypothetical, my father may have well been a hero prior to his very un-heroic death, but by tying the death to the heroism, I am making the impression by hiding details, hence the lie. She could have said, "My father was vehemently against the Nazis such that he went to work in a munitions factory and died as a result of breathing the fumes while trying to support the war effort." That would have been the honest truth although the impact would not have been as robust.

She lied.

[Eric J in MN]

5. misleading statement on her part

If she thinks her father's illness was related to his work during WWII, then she should say, "my father died from an illness he got helping the war effort against the Nazi regime in Germany."

Not "my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany" which implies he was a soldier killed in Europe during WWII.

[GodlessBiker]

7. The governor saying that her father died should not be taken to mean that her father died.

[frylock]

34. he's pinin'

[geardaddy]

48. ...for the fjords...

[sarge43]

8. The woman can't count either

Hypothetically, if Dad died in Germany in say 1945 and she was 11 at that time, that makes her birth year 1934 which makes her 76 years old.

She's well preserved; I'll give her that.

[hlthe2b]

18. Well. not too well preserved...

But, how old is she, anyway?

[SargeUNN]

29. Jan Brewer was born in Sept. 1944

[roguevalley]

56. since he died in 1955, then she was eleven. that part is true.

[frylock]

36. mummification is a type of preservation

[nichomachus]

10. Could be the milkman died fighting the Nazis

Just saying . . . .

[hlthe2b]

15. ding ding ding....

:thumbsup: that's the ticket

[DFW]

11. She's a Republican. They make "inoperative" statements. n/t

[Bitwit1234]

16. OH OH OH is Hatch going to propose a law

stating that if you say a loved one died during fighting in any war you could go to jail if it is untrue. DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH.

Her great grandmother was an immigrant. So that's only about 100 or so years ago. And now she is complaining about other immigrants. I guess true to the republican way, I, AS A REPUBLICAN CAN DO IT, but no body else can.

[LiberalFighter]

17. I am confused. What does Brewer mean by her statement?

First, it doesn't look like her father was in Germany during the war.
Second, it doesn't look like her father was in the military during the war.

This must explain why her mind is so screwed up and maybe grounds for removal from office.

[Inuca]

20. Maybe the confusion is partly to blame in her

maiden name :silly:

[nichomachus]

21. Back in the late '60s

while protesting the war, I once had an old geezer tell me, "I fought and died for this country to give you hippies the right to free speech."

[hlthe2b]

25. and you aren't making money as a clairvoyant or medium.?

Since you obviously see/speak with the dead...;)

oh, that's right, you aren't a RETHUG, so it probably never occurred to you to hit the $$ charlatan trail.

[geardaddy]

49. Was this him?

[Bluebear]

60. lol

[LiberalFighter]

68. Should had asked how many times he died fighting?

Or asked him where he is buried in Arlington Cemetery.

[whopis01]

44. He died of lung disease he got while working at a munitions depot (as a civilian) during the war

So his death wasn't *completely* unrelated to WW2, but still... it is quite a stretch there.

[Winterblues]

46. How do you know he developed the lung problems while working at a munitions factory.

He could just as easily gotten it from smoking..

[CTyankee]

52. Right. I've never heard of "black lung" disease of workers in munitions factories. nt

[hayu_lol]

61. Winter, the smog was a killer in S CA during the years 54 to

almost 60. Everything in LA was covered with a fine yellow dust that was extremely toxic.

[whopis01]

66. I don't know and wasn't trying to say that I did...

The poster that I was responding to asked "What does Brewer mean by her statement" and said that it didn't look like he was in the war.

I was just explaining how Brewer was making the connection. I know virtually nothing about the man or his disease.

[hlthe2b]

19. So now, if her DOB is September 26, 1944, how is that possible?

per wiki: Janice Kay Brewer (born September 26, 1944) is the 22nd and current Governor of the U.S. state of Arizona and is a Republican.


Those RETHUGS... whodda thunk it would be them who tamed space-time continuum travel... I'm in awe.

[Divine Discontent]

37. HAHAHA true. nailed!

[KansasVoter]

22. Why isn't this a BIGGER story?

[librechik]

30. When Republicans lie it is with Jesus's dispensation, therefore they cannot be counted as lying

It's different when atheist liberals lie. Jesus didn't give them permission, therefore they need to be punished until they fall dead and cold, no resurrection for them.

[BR_Parkway]

23. Well, it's true !!! Her father died - we're just not supposed to worry about

all those pesky details

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

24. Hmmm...Drinkwine...Brewer...

I think I am formulating a cause and effect scenario here...

[Art_from_Ark]

63. That's too funny

The Drinkwine family marries into the Brewer family.

Bottoms up! :beer:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

65. lol! I was just thinking the same thing!

[FarCenter]

26. Lung disease -- possibly died from exposure to asbestos

Which the Navy used a lot of. Although it is not clear why they would use a lot of it in an ammunition plant and depot?

[Hempathy]

40. NAZI asbestos...?

it was used widely in insulation and as a fire retardant in construction.

[nichomachus]

51. And/or tobacco smoke

[LiberalFighter]

69. Reagan caused everyone to have cancer.

[bullwinkle428]

27. Yeah, yeah, Brewer - we know he died at Auschwitz, when he fell out of

a guard tower, and landed on his head!!

[opihimoimoi]

31. She is now choking on her foot which is stuck halfway down her throat

How can she keep yakkin with a full mouth?

[lpbk2713]

32. Shock & awe!! ... Who knew!!!11!

Who would have expected a rethuglican to make up a complete fabrication? :sarcasm:

She has to be mentally deficient to not even consider that information like this can be verified.

Arizona, you have my sympathy to have such a worthless POS as your Governor.

[CTyankee]

55. AZ DUers warned us that Obama picking Napolitano would wind up biting us in the ass.

I didn't realize how right they were! I just thought to myself "Oh, well, how bad could it be...?"

Aaaarrgg...

[blondeatlast]

74. Yup; and even this Arizonan wasn't expecting it to be this bad. That she's fallen in with the likes

of Arpaio is more than I was even suspecting.

[JBoy]

33. Any lie will do in a shitstorm.

[old mark]

35. "What the Governor Really meant to say was......"

The Palin syndrome - don't hold me responsible for anything that comes out of my mouth. If I really said it, I didn't mean to say what you think you may have heard, but I probably didn't actually say it in the first place, and the liberals distorted it if it turns out that I actually did.

mark

[SargeUNN]

38. Yeah I can remember when ....

General Robert E. Lee came by my house and apologized for the C.S.A. fighting the war in my backyard. I told him that was ok and picked up my 44 mag. and started shooting the enemy. Like that story Jan? :rofl:

[liam_laddie]

39. They all take a Rove-written

online course in "Blatant Lying With a Straight (or not) Face." Course materials include special drugs which disable any remaining moral or ethical beliefs, a subscription to the daily newsletter "Republican Doublespeak for Dummies" authored by Fox News, plus a booklet published by the Federalist Society, with a lengthy introduction by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS, entitled "Subverting the US Constitution for Fun and Especially PROFIT."
When completed, an M.D. is granted - Master of Dumbfuckery.
Special remedial courses are offered for existing office holders at all levels - city, county, state and especially Federal."
:sarcasm:

[Mari333]

41. another fowl remark by the chicken lady.

keep talking, its fodder for humour.

[kelly1mm]

43. I'm confused? Are these things suposed to matter or not? Only for D's? R's? nt

[SargeUNN]

47. Here is about her father

Brewer was born in Hollywood, Calif. Her father, Perry Drinkwine, was a civilian supervisor at a Navy munitions depot in Hawthorne, Nev., and she spent the first ten years of her life at the base.MacEachern, Doug, “Snapshots of the next governor,” The Arizona Republic

http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Jan_Brewer#At_a_Glance

(Phoenix), December 7, 2008(6)MacEachern, Doug, “Snapshots of the next governor,” The Arizona Republic (Phoenix), December 7, 2008

When she was 11, her father’s health—ravaged by the constant exposure to the chemicals on the base—forced the family to move to California for dry desert air and clean ocean breezes. Drinkwine survived just a year before succumbing to lung disease. That experience prompted Brewer to study to become a radiology technician.

[WI_DEM]

50. thanks

[starroute]

54. So if she was born in Hollywood in September 1944

It suggests her father didn't begin working at the munitions depot until after that. So at most, he would have been there for a few months before the Germans surrendered in May 1945 -- which doesn't allow for a lot of fighting-the-Nazis time.


On edit: No, apparently he was working in Nevada before she was born as well. So I'll grant him three years of lung-destroying Nazi-fighting.
(http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/27/2010-04-27_descendant_of_immigrants_wants_to_slam_golden_door.html)

[freeplessinseattle]

58. ok, now I get it, but still misleading

she did seem to try to imply something different, more on the field type heroics, and handily left out such details.

[SpiralHawk]

53. Typical republicon

One cannot believe a damn thing they spew.

[Raine]

59. Hey Brewer there's this new thing called the "internets"

where you can find out just about ANYTHING on ANYONE ... so try and remember that ... that all lies can be exposed. :silly:

[Hissyspit]

62. If she doesn't want to be compared to Nazis...

she shouldn't be supporting a Nazi-like law. She shames her father's sacrifice to turn her state into something the Nazi party would likely be proud of.

[tinymontgomery]

64. That's kind of like exactly what my students say

"the answers on my test should not be taken to mean that is what I am claiming as my answer". Now I know who they are following.

edit for spelling

[LiberalFighter]

71. Give them all an F next time?

And tell them that their grade shouldn't be taken to mean what you wrote for their grade.

[tinymontgomery]

73. Thanks

perfect answer. Wish I was that quick.

[Hubert Flottz]

70. A republican lying is not late breaking news in this here cybercircus.

[SargeUNN]

72. Actually there are more than one question on this story

She stated that her family moved from Minnesota at the outset of the war, which would be 1942, so her dad appears to have only started in Hawthorn in 44, since she was born in Hollywood and later when his health was too bad to work went to Hollywood in 54. So that opens up the question where was he in 42 and 43 since from all information on the Hawthorn Munitions plant seems to show he was most likely not working there until sometime in 44. I have studied enough of Brewer to realize she manipulates her family to feather her nest and when a scandal arises like with her son who was convicted of rape and sexual assault then put in a mental institution for a few years, the records were sealed and to this day are sealed.