U.S. citizen deported to Mexico

[Ed Barrow]

Immigration officials are reviewing whether a 19-year-old man deported last week from South Texas is actually a U.S. citizen born in Houston. Luis Alberto Delgado said he and his older brother were stopped last Thursday by a Jim Wells County Sheriff captain, who called the U.S. Border Patrol.

Despite carrying a birth certificate showing he was born at Houston's Ben Taub Hospital, a state of Texas ID card and a Social Security card, Delgado said he was taken into Border Patrol custody, questioned for eight hours and pressured into signing paperwork that cleared the way for his removal to Mexico.

Delgado, who returned to Houston three years ago after spending much of his childhood in Mexico, said immigration officials were suspicious because he spoke very little English. He said they kept saying, "No, these papers aren't yours."

"What they did to me was discrimination," Delgado said in a telephone interview from Reynosa. "I don't understand why they did this."

"I am an American citizen," he said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/facebook/7077166.html

[TexasObserver]

1. recommend

[Desertrose]

2. This is just the beginning......n/t

[Swamp Rat]

3. k&r

[blondeatlast]

4. And so it begins... k/r

[dana_b]

5. jeez.. how horrible

and scary for him. Racist and wrong.

Who knew that Cheech Marin would be prescient?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCwrdqGrxBU

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[ejpoeta]

6. "born in east la". sorry but.... what does it take for someone to accept a damned birth

certificate as proof of citizenship these days?

[LisaL]

12. The article says that guy's family used a fake Mexian birth

certificate to enroll him in Mexican school. So supposedly he has two birth certificate-one says he was born in US and the other says he was born in Mexico-I guess it could get a little complicated.

[Confusious]

13. Nice find

Good luck getting anyone to listen.

[Xipe Totec]

15. To what?

To the fact that US officials are quibbling about the legitimacy of US documents?

What bullshit.

[Confusious]

19. No, the legitimacy of Mexician documents.

Like I said, no ones going to listen. Take off the rose colored glasses and see the world.

[Xipe Totec]

20. Oh look! There's a fake Kenyan birth certificate for Obama

That PROVES he's not a US citizen.

:eyes:

[blondeatlast]

21. Good one! Now let's see who's listening.

:thumbsup:

[Confusious]

25. Poor, Poor, try

That one was an obvious fake. I'm sure the family could afford something a little better then something made as a joke.

Let me put it this way. You got a poor overworked clerk, he sees two birth certificates, guy went to school in mexico, which one should he believe? In your world, he shouldn't do anything. This time, he made a mistake. Mistakes happen. Maybe the person deported will get some money.

Torres said Delgado's case may have been complicated for the Border Patrol because Delgado's family used a fake Mexican birth certificate to enroll him in school in Mexico.

He said school officials in Mexico historically give parents of U.S. children a hard time enrolling them in school without a Mexican birth certificate and look the other way if it's fraudulent.

Your instance that everything happen with no mistakes makes you seem unreasonable. Especially when the deported persons OWN actions helped the mistake along. THATs what bothers me the most.

If it doesn't end in death, then it's correctable. This persons plight is correctable.

We bring you back to your 3 minutes of outrage.

[Raineyb]

37. And fake Mexican documentation proves he's not a U.S. Citizen? How?

It's the legitimacy of the AMERICAN documents that is important here.

Logic fail!

[Confusious]

45. Really. You think every peon clerk in the border patrol is trained to spot fake documents? nt

He has a United States Birth certificate. He has a Mexico birth certificate. He went to school in Mexico.

Logic fail indeed.

[Raineyb]

60. Then the peon clerk should have kicked it up. What you don't do is

deport someone until you KNOW the person is not here legally.

You're not good with logic or common sense are you?

[Confusious]

70. Skirting the rules, aren't you.

Maybe it did get kicked up. Maybe his boss was no better at spotting faked documents then he was. The border patrol also delivers people to a immigration court, and the judge was no better either.The body of evidence implied that he was from Mexico. HE got the fake documents. He caused the F up in the first place. Most people on the planet don't have a birth certificate from TWO countries.



You have any more insults you want to throw around?

[treestar]

17. Can't go to school in Mexico without a Mexican birth certificate?

And the guy must be dual citizen. In fact the strange thing is why does Mexico take a deportee if they are not a Mexican citizen; must be they recognize that he is one. Pretty crummy to deny education to your own citizens because they were born in another country.

[a la izquierda]

18. Um, that's not true at all.

You don't need to be a Mexican citizen to go to school in Mexico. My friend's two sons go to school in Mexico and they are white kids who were born in the US.

Mexico recognizes dual nationality: if you are born anywhere to a Mexican citizen, you are Mexican. Getting your dual paperwork is extremely complicated that requires several generations of birth certificates (parents, grandparents).

(I'm afraid to say much more due to the new rules)- but this ignorant tripe about Mexico has totally got to stop.

[treestar]

24. I was just asking about a previous post

saying that the guy had a Mexican BC so he could go to school in Mexico, so don't blame me.

[amandabeech]

26. Read the article to the bottom.

Delgado's attorney, Torres, discusses the issue along with the problem that Delgado's Mexican birth certificate may have caused.

Torres is an immigration attorney who took the case pro bono. Good for him.

[LisaL]

27. As far as I can tell, one can not be born at two places.

The article said he also had a Mexican birth certificate ( apparently that one is fake). WTF does that have to do with dual citizenship?

[treestar]

32. Gimme a break, I was discussing the point that apparently his

parents needed a Mexican BC for him to go to school in Mexico, so they faked one.

[Kali]

30. "deporting" around here anyway, consists

of a border patrol bus driving up to the line and the "deportees" getting off and walking back across. Nobody at Douglas/AP on the Mexican side checks pedestrians for anything.

[kenny blankenship]

7. So even if you have your papers

you're still shit out of luck.

[Ed Barrow]

11. +1000

[Raineyb]

38. That would be the salient point that a good number of people insist on not getting. n/t

[treestar]

8. He was carrying a birth certificate and that wasn't enough for them?

They should at least have considered the possibility rather than assuming fraud.

[malaise]

10. Why?

Obama is the fucking president of the country. He has an American birth certificate, two notices of his birth, an American mother, American grandparents and an American accent and they still call him a foreigner.
Why are you surprised?

[treestar]

14. didn't look at it that way

good point

[Blue_Tires]

16. very true.... this should surprise no one

[blondeatlast]

23. Exactly. nt

[datasuspect]

67. Auslaender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausl%C3%A4nder

it helps power when they can create dark, intractable, untouchable OTHER classes.

it adds to the distraction mix and appeals to the innate fear most people have.

[Kali]

9. and now he is stuck in Reynosa

pulled over for no seatbelt - yeah, sure

[HCE SuiGeneris]

22. He's brown. It's all you need to know.

Fascism, and nationalistic narcissism, are all part of the new Uhmurika.

[Rage for Order]

28. Good point

If only we had a brown person at the very top of our government, then brown people wouldn't be deliberately targeted by the thugs in our government agencies. Wait a minute...

[MellowDem]

29. Or you can read the story....

and not resort to hyperbole before you even know the circumstances.

[Kali]

31. yes

2 Hispanic males got pulled over in TEXAS for "no seatbelt." Driver went to jail for no license and passenger got interrogated for some hours and deported. How is that for hyperbole?

[MellowDem]

33. Well, more like the fascism schpiel being hyperbole...

but in the story the guy who got deported had a fake Mexican birth certificate, which it sounds like was part of the problem. Definitely should be a prominent part of the story since it gives some sort of reasoning to the deportation or confusion that it might have caused.

I don't see what's unusual about two Hispanic males getting pulled over in Texas for "no seatbelt". Or going to jail for no license. The deportation is where the mistake/confusion was. I think having him sign papers without him understanding sounds like a clear mistake, but we've only heard one side of the story really.

[Kali]

35. ...

"I don't see what's unusual about two Hispanic males getting pulled over in Texas for "no seatbelt". Or going to jail for no license."

not unusual, that is the problem
you think jail for no license is OK?

[MellowDem]

36. If you are driving without a license...

and it can't be confirmed right away that you are even an American citizen, I understand why he would be taken into custody until it was found out. I would expect the same treatment in other countries, even ones much more liberal than this one. The brother was released when it was confirmed. And it sounds like the border patrol is investigating this case and that this guy will be getting back to the US.

As for how "usual" it is to get pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt, I guess it comes down to the fact that enforcing the no seatbelt law doesn't mean that this was a case or racial discrimination. To assume it does means you are assuming a lot about the case that we don't know yet. Heck, the cop who took them in could be Hispanic for all we know. If Hispanic men being booked for no seatbelts in TEXAS automatically means racial discrimination is going on, then they need to start saying the "race" of the cops who arrest them to reinforce those assumptions. Since assumptions are all we have apparently.

[Kali]

40. lots of justifications for detaining Hispanics in your replies

try to see the big picture here, OK?

[MellowDem]

43. Uhh, what?

Your right, someone who is breaking the law by not wearing a seat belt and not having a license should just be let go! What is the world coming to? Why do we even need seat belts or licenses? It's just to keep Hispanics down! Uhh, what?

:eyes:

[Kali]

44. most (anglos) don't go to jail for minor civil traffic violations

they MIGHT get tickets

get a clue

:eyes:, back atcha

[MellowDem]

48. Well, if you say so...

it must be true. We still have no idea if this was a case of raial discrimination. But we can assume all we want I guess.

[Cleobulus]

52. They don't. You are nuts to think otherwise. n/t

[MellowDem]

49. Well, if you say so...

it must be true. We still have no idea if this was a case of raial discrimination. But we can assume all we want I guess.

[Cleobulus]

51. Are you nuts? I don't know about Texas, but here in Missouri...

you get a ticket and a fine, oh, and the police may say that you have to have someone pick you up if you are found without a license. In other words, THEY LET YOU GO, but then again, I'm white, so what the hell do I know?

:eyes: indeed.

[amandabeech]

58. The cop who stopped the car is named Capt. Joe R. Martinez.

From the article.

[Cleobulus]

53. Name me one state where operating a motor vehicle without a license is an automatic jail sentence...

on conviction or requires the officer to arrest the person in question.

[MellowDem]

56. That's not the point...

it's rare for anyone to get jail time for a minor traffic violation. The only reason they were put in custody was because they broke the law and the sheriff was suspicious about their identification. It's the combination of the two. The fact that Delgado didn't speak English and they are in a part of the country with lots of illegal immigration no doubt played into it as well. Whether it was racial discrimination that caused them to be pulled over in the first place or taken into custody has yet to be determined. My tounge in cheek post was in response to that.

If it was European guys that couldn't speak English and didn't have certain proper ID, I could very much imagine the same thing happening. Until we know it was racial discrimination we can only assume. We can't read the sheriff's mind unfortunately.

[Jkid]

34. This kind of shit will continue

Until the US accidentally deports a white US citizen to Europe because he was Irish-American. That is the only way it will stop.

[Raineyb]

39. In other words: It'll never stop. n/t

[indepat]

41. Brown-shirts are so pre-post-WWII: does the Border Patrol have nothing better to

do than harass U.S. citizens? :shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. No excuse. No excuse what so ever.

we should have lawyers ready to start class actions suits against the police. Why don't latinos have as good attorneys as the NAACP?

[WillyT]

46. Grrr... K & R !!!

:mad:

:kick:

[Swamp Rat]

47. kick

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[amandabeech]

59. Your post reeks of class bias. n/t

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[Horse with no Name]

57. Hector and Jose aren't your problem

The people that hire them are.
Oh and by the way..."they" don't get free healthcare. That is a myth.If they qualify for Medicaid or Medicare, they must qualify and jump through the same hoops that you do.
Jan Brewer is a racist idiot--if she really is your hero, you most likely have taken a wrong turn.
Now, your absurd assumption of the most wanteds (did you get that from Hannity?)
We will make it easy and just do the border states. You are most definitely ill informed in this regard.

Texas
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/wanted/#

Arizona
http://www.azdps.gov/services/Most_Wanted/Wanted/

California
http://ag.ca.gov/wanted/mostwanted.php?fid=mostWantedFugitives_2010-01

New Mexico
http://corrections.state.nm.us/offenders/wanted.html

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[Horse with no Name]

65. I've lived in border states my entire life

and I live around quite a few Hispanics currently.

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make in your stereotypical rant--not everyone who is brown is illegal.
They have the right to any job you do. They have the right to have as many children, drive what they want, etc.
I personally don't have a problem with children eating. I don't care what color they are.
It doesn't bother me a bit to pay for school lunches for those who qualify and I certainly don't lose sleep over it.

I know a family of Hispanics who came here "illegally".
They worked within the system and became documented.
They have 5 kids.
These kids are all now very productive members of adult society--not only do they pay taxes and vote, but they CONTRIBUTE as worthwhile members of our community and definitely give back what they took tenfold.

Their story is one that exemplifies WHY amnesty to non-criminal workers is important and why it benefits everyone.

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[Posteritatis]

62. I'm sure there's better evidence than that, yes. (nt)

[datasuspect]

64. he did it just to trick you

silly, he went to school in mexico.

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[walldude]

69. Yup nothin but us limousine liberals here...

No working people, no one hurt by the economy. None of this has anything to do with jobs going overseas, it's all the fault of those illegal immigrants. Open your eyes. You can't see past your xenophobia to see it's the corporations taking away jobs, not the "illegals". You think carpenters don't lose work when corporations decide to build offices overseas? Wake up.