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apples and oranges Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:01 AM
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The End of Men
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 09:06 AM by apples and oranges
What if the modern, postindustrial economy is simply more congenial to women than to men? For a long time, evolutionary psychologists have claimed that we are all imprinted with adaptive imperatives from a distant past: men are faster and stronger and hardwired to fight for scarce resources, and that shows up now as a drive to win on Wall Street; women are programmed to find good providers and to care for their offspring, and that is manifested in more- nurturing and more-flexible behavior, ordaining them to domesticity. This kind of thinking frames our sense of the natural order. But what if men and women were fulfilling not biological imperatives but social roles, based on what was more efficient throughout a long era of human history? What if that era has now come to an end? More to the point, what if the economics of the new era are better suited to women?

Once you open your eyes to this possibility, the evidence is all around you. It can be found, most immediately, in the wreckage of the Great Recession, in which three-quarters of the 8 million jobs lost were lost by men. The worst-hit industries were overwhelmingly male and deeply identified with macho: construction, manufacturing, high finance. Some of these jobs will come back, but the overall pattern of dislocation is neither temporary nor random. The recession merely revealed—and accelerated—a profound economic shift that has been going on for at least 30 years, and in some respects even longer.

Earlier this year, for the first time in American history, the balance of the workforce tipped toward women, who now hold a majority of the nation's jobs. The working class, which has long defined our notions of masculinity, is slowly turning into a matriarchy, with men increasingly absent from the home and women making all the decisions. Women dominate today's colleges and professional schools for every two men who will receive a B.A. this year, three women will do the same. Of the 15 job categories projected to grow the most in the next decade in the U.S., all but two are occupied primarily by women. Indeed, the U.S. economy is in some ways becoming a kind of traveling sisterhood: upper-class women leave home and enter the workforce, creating domestic jobs for other women to fill.

The postindustrial economy is indifferent to men’s size and strength. The attributes that are most valuable today's social intelligence, open communication, the ability to sit still and focus—are, at a minimum, not predominantly male. In fact, the opposite may be true. Women in poor parts of India are learning English faster than men to meet the demands of new global call centers. Women own more than 40 percent of private businesses in China, where a red Ferrari is the new status symbol for female entrepreneurs. Last year, Iceland elected Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardottir, the world’s first openly lesbian head of state, who campaigned explicitly against the male elite she claimed had destroyed the nation’s banking system, and who vowed to end the “age of testosterone.


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135


Great read.

Sorry about the link
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:02 AM
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1. Fix link please
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apples and oranges Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:07 AM
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2. Just fixed it. Thanks!
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:07 AM
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3. What a stupid title for the article. It should be, "The End of a Male Dominated Society?"
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:12 AM
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4. Written in such a way as to make men far more afraid...
Meh...
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:22 AM
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6. Ideed. He might as well titled it, "Has the Penis Become Obsolete?"
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:08 PM
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10. Nah... just testosterone.
:hide:
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:55 PM
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18. I has been since D-sized batteries have been invented.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:57 PM
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19. {Rimshot}
n/t
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 04:47 PM
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26. But it was a desperation 3 point shot from my own goal with 2 seconds to go...
Give me some credit!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 09:20 AM
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5. Women can have it
Take it away, ladies. Make us your slaves as we once made you our slaves.

I for one love to think that I can stay home and quit being tough and fix cars and do plumbing and carry furniture and dig ditches, etc.

Ahhhh, it'll never happen, but a fella can dream, eh?

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 11:54 AM
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7. I see a business opportunity...
I will start a step ladder business.

My girlfriend tops at 5 feet even. If it weren't for me, she would never get anything from the top shelf.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:06 PM
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9. Step ladders in the shape of.....
....what is it women don't have that mens gots?

I've always said something like: Mother is the root of all inventions.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:16 PM
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12. i have seen mothers that would better serve in employment. i have seen fathers that better serve
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 12:17 PM by seabeyond
raising the kids.

wouldnt it be a much more productive and sucessful environment if we went where our nature told us to go and not where our gender demanded we play.

i also think that in your little peeved comment you excluded an awful lot of the draw back to womens role thru out history. it may have made you feel better, but it was far from an accurate comment.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:19 PM
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13. If I could find a job that pays as much as my husband's, I would have him stay home
with the kids. Who wants to clean and do laundry and dishes all day? It sucks, truthfully.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:23 PM
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15. Hey, I know
I am chief cook and bottle washer 'round these parts. And I bring home the bacon.

What I need is a harem, don't you think? A harem and boxes of viagra.
Life would be good. Women, you can have me. Take me, I'm all yours. This man gives up!!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:51 PM
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17. i am thinkin about every one of your posts is to repel a female. optimistic thinking
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 12:52 PM by seabeyond
on your part.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:58 PM
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20. That would be so AWESOME...
n.t.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 01:13 PM
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21. Sounds good to me too
Provided the man does all the things a woman typically does. And vice versa of course (as long as women can also switch places income wise) I'm hetero but I've long thought it'd be cool to have a 'wife' in the cultural sense of the word.

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:05 PM
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8. K&R. Interesting article.
I just left another thread talking about the fact that 14 people die each day due to lax OSHA enforcement. Unmentioned in the article is the reality that 13 of them are men.

The only jobs for this country's men are the ones so dangerous that no one would ask a woman to do it, but not so mindless that an illegal worker should.

I'm not outraged that those jobs requiring insensitivity to danger, a willingness to live the shorter life that environmental conditions cause, and an unusual degree of skill should pay more.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:10 PM
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11. It's time to give them a chance.
nt
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:22 PM
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14. I have two point s to make:
1. Are women on average still being paid less than men? If so, this might
be playing a role in our present economic state.

2. I'm rather curious and would like to see what it would be like to have
women having the dominant role in the working world.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 12:36 PM
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16. You know
Any article that uses 'evolutionary psychology' and starts with a bull sperm analogy tends to be full of shit.

The 'economics' that the article seems to be talking about is the one based on subjugation and oppression.

Woman have by no means reached economic parity, in some cases barely have human rights, and the jobs at the top are overwhelmingly held by males including world governments.


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 01:16 PM
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22. that is the part i like. not so much the 'evolutionary psychology' that has been spewed
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 01:38 PM by seabeyond
but more the conditioning of society all this time. for the last three decades to flip this so called 'evolutionary psychology' on its head says a whole lot about that theory.

put it to bed.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 01:30 PM
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25. LOL
You're quite right, I like the way you put that.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 01:21 PM
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23. Jobs loss may not have been aimed at men..just at the jobs that just happen to be occupied BY men
Men 50 & up still have a LARGE advantage over women because most women of a comparable age, did NOT have "big" careers.

In a downturn, companies like to jettison as many "slightly upper level" people as possible..to save on the incomes they are making because of a long climb up that ladder, and to save on benefits that came along with that climb.

Women of a comparable age are mostly still employed in jobs that tend to be "part-time/low-benefit" or interchangeable jobs.

When you get to the 45 & under strata, you'll find a LOT more women, but since they are often not making as much money as their male peers, they are likely to keep their jobs.

It's more of an age thing than anything else. There are still very few companies that have equal parts men & women at the decision-making level. The people in charge make the choices, and they still tend to be older wealthy males who are adept at watching that bottom line.. Putting yourself in their shoes, why not fire/layoff that 45 yr old guy with heart problems who's making 50K, and keep the 45 yr old woman who will always come in of her day off and stay late/come in early, and who does not complain about the fact that she only makes $35K, and she has health benefits from her still-employed husband.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 01:24 PM
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24. ...less questioning of authority. nt
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