I stared stupidity in the eyes today and it scared the shit out of me.

[William769]

My two brothers and mother came over to visit and we usually steer clear of politics, but not today. My brothers were gushing over how Gonzalez made Congress look like idiots. Well needless to say that got my blood boiling, it was downhill from here. The straw that broke the camels back for me was when my one brother said that global warming was a crock of shit and my other brother chimed in & said "got that right", I lost it, I must have looked like a raving lunatic.

Then when my mother started in on my illegal immigrant boyfriend (which he is not an illegal) I said theres the door don't let it hit you where your Lord split you.

I knew there was ignorance in my family, but now I believe it's down right stupidity.

I could go on for about four pages of all the exchanges that happened, but I need to cool down first.

At least I now know how Bush and his cabal get away with all their shit if my family is part of the voting community. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Am I going insane? Or the world around me?

[webDude]

1. Hang in there, got a couple in my family that are open as adobe.

nt

[PDJane]

2. The world is going completely nuts.......

And quickly.

[dsc]

3. I am so sorry

I hope things work out for you. It sucks to have your family on the wrong side.

[William769]

16. I have dealt with it for awhile, but today I snapped.

[bbgrunt]

4. I'm surprised that after six years of this crap, it is only

now becoming an issue with your family. I wish you well. There is NOTHING you can say or do to such people to bring them to the light. When they can no longer find any job, cannot afford the gas to the supermarket, cannot feed themselves, and are royally screwn in every orifice by this regime, they will still be supporting their illusions. It's a matter of macho and bullying along with stupidity.

edited for ps

ps--I have quite a few of these in my family too. Thank goodness, however, my mother is not one of them.

[William769]

17. We have been good at avoiding the subject.

But I believe they are desperate now to save face with W.

[Warpy]

5. About a third of the country you live in has gone

crazier than a shithouse rat. It's amazing that you've managed to keep things civil with your family this long. You have my sympathy for being both sandbagged and outnumbered.

My Pop and I didn't talk about religion or politics for a good three decades. He thought I was a closet Communist when I was younger and didn't want to admit I'd been right about a lot of things when I got older.

You may be able to convince them to agree to disagree and keep it civil again. My guess is that your mother might be a little more amenable than your brothers will be.

Good luck. This sort of thing really sucks and it's completely destroyed more than one family I know of.

[William769]

18. Thanks for your thoughts.

But I think my mother is finally realizing I am not going through as phase, if you know what I mean.

[baldguy]

6. If they want to laugh at fools, they've only to look at them selves.

The first people the Bushies made to be idiots were the people who voted for them.

Have your family give you a call when they're ready to rejoin America.

[tularetom]

7. Everybody in my family thinks like that

There's hope. We spend days together on hunting trips where we are all armed and get in these kinds of discussions. I'm sort of the patriarch so most of 'em keep their mouths shut around me even though they think I'm probably some sort a commie. Some of them are actually fairly intelligent but not curious, not willing to question in other words lazy as hell.

[William769]

19. I consider myself a conservative Democrat most of the time.

They think I'm a left wing looney! Go figure.

[laylah]

8. ..

:hug: sorry for the encounter but good on you for speaking out!

[William769]

20. Thank you.

[IChing]

9. Unfortunately there are no lifeguards for

the gene pool. Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.

[PDJane]

35. The gene pool needs chlorine.......

mine included.

[MuseRider]

10. It has always been this way.

I had a permanent falling out with my beloved Grandmother when she made a comment over the head of my first son, a newborn. She said she was very glad he did not look all "Jewy" like my husband. I left and never went back. It killed me, broke my heart but there was no way I was going to be able to forgive a statement like that.

[William769]

21. Sorry to hear that.

:hug:

[MuseRider]

26. Ahh thanks.

I was really trying to make you feel a little better by saying that everyone has a relative or two (or god forbid more) who do stupid or mean things like that.

Edit because I hit post before I added this, :hug:

[Madspirit]

11. I am Sorry

What a drag.

Lee

[drm604]

12. I feel so bad for you.

I'm fortunate that, except for one person who lives far away, I have an intelligent and reasonable family. They're not all perfect, but they are all reasonable and civil and can even be convinced by a logical argument sometimes. My brother and I are on the same wavelength politically. I can't imagine what it must be like for you. :hug:

[peacetalksforall]

13. Does anyone know of any progressive, liberal, plain vanilla Dem

or any other color Dem who is:

either not concerned about global warming
or denies that global warming exists?

It seems that denyial of global warming is uniquely right wing. If yes, how did that happen? Is it because of Armedgeddon?

[William769]

22. It does play into their religion (my family that is).

I guess I'm the black sheep.

[Arugula Latte]

27. Religion is so often at the root of pure stupidity. n/t

[hfojvt]

34. Alexander Cockburn just dissed it in The Nation

He's not a Democrat, but he's supposed to be Progressive.

I think there are probably quite a few Dems who are not all that concerned about it.

http://www.terrapass.com/terrablog/posts/2005/07/new-global-warming-poll-.html

"Climate change is a bi-partisan issue. Although democrats are slight more likely to say scientific consensus exists, the gap appears to be narrowing."

Democrats are slightly more likely, but it is not 100% for either group.

[sandnsea]

14. We got the "Taps" email

from a friend who we knew was Republican, but thought was sane. She even sent the George Bush crying and praying at Walter Reed email. I don't even know what you do with these people anymore.

[LibDemAlways]

15. How's this for a repuke who's gone off the deep end? My

mom, age 84, (a staunch Dem) and her sister, age 82, (kool-aid drinker), were greeting people who came to pay respects to their older brother who passed away recently. This was at the funeral home, and neither my mom nor her sister had seen many of the people in a very long time. My mom was talking with someone when she overheard this comment from her sister...."Even though he was a Democrat, I'll miss him." WTF? How horribly tacky and inappropriate. This was two months ago, and my mom is still pissed about it.

[William769]

23. How awful!

Give your mom a :hug: for me.

[mnhtnbb]

24. My brother is educated (MD, Ph.D) but unempathic, like my parents

He has never repudiated Republican viewpoints--even though he's a scientist
and pro-choice.

I thought I could reach him during the 04 election by appealing to
his intellect. Didn't work. We finally agreed to not discuss politics.

It's tough having family who seem completely nuts when it comes to politics.

[Maestro]

25. Hang in there. One of my freeper Uncles

started ranting about Mexicans and guess what? My wife and subsequently my kids are of Mexican ancestry and my family on the other side (maternal) actually lived and worked down there before the Mexican Revolution, but he saw nothing wrong with saying what he did. Ignorance and hatred blind them.

[Cha]

28. Poor little thing! I feel for ya!

Do they listen to rose limpbaughs to get their whacked view of the world?

Sounds like it. If anyone should ever pull that shite with me..I will tell them that, "a lie, is lie, is lie and gonzo is lying through his teeth and Congress is trying to get at the truth for the AMerica people and our Country's reputation". They're killing our Soldiers..anybody eligible for the draft in the family that just left?

Sorry they are your family but at least you recognize the truth when ya hear it! :toast: :patriot: :)

[Jim Warren]

29. Listen

I have a BIL that is a rush-bot. He's bought five copies of every book the pigman has put his name on just to fill his bookcase, subscribes to his newsletter and buys any frigging product he endorses, schedules his day around his radio show.....he's the type that's made rush a wealthy man.

For years we used to argue all the time, his talking points straight from the horses ass with little to fall back on so he was an easy mark. Then he started going after my fifteen year old son when I wasn't around. Typical pug bully, but you know what?
It pissed me off to no end at first but then my wife said not to worry. Our son at 15
held his own, he's 18 now and it isn't even a contest.

[William769]

30. Thanks for the story.

And kudos to your son.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. "Having a family is like having a bowling alley installed in your head."

Fortunately, coming from a good Irish Catholic family, we stay away from each other to avoid instigating calls from concerned neighbors to the police to quell the riot and bloodshed.

[lonestarnot]

double post, but I'm not complaining, just deleting.

[lonestarnot]

triple post, but I'm not complaining just deleting.

:rofl:

[lonestarnot]

32. I know family is supposed to be tolerant of its members, but

fuck 'em. Comes a time when you decide that your opinion matters more to you than their opinions mean to you, and you make political decisions for yourself without assistance of overbearing assholes. If you want to get along with that bunch, tell them to kiss your ass. They can have their opinion and you can have yours and next time not to drop by "uninvited." Didn't sound like much of a discussion, sounded more like a tyranically overbearing 3 on 1 sicheeation (situation) Discussion includes listening, a very tough skill for some to acquire. It is going to be a pretty rotten fucking thing to have to say an "I told you so," when we're facing down water, clean air, quality viddles, and a clean dry place to sleep shortages. We must protect the ignorant along while saving our own asses. Unfortunately, we have to share the planet with them.

[Ilsa]

33. I'll see your ignorant family and raise you one koolaid drinking sister.

Today my sister told me that the one thing she appreciated about the war in Iraq was that we were fighting them over there to avoid fighting them here. I explained that the war was creating more terrorists and more worldwide support for terrorism. I also mentioned how immoral it was, as if MExico and Canada decided to go to war with each other but do it in Nebraska.

Actually, the rest of my family is okay. It is my 700-Club-watching sister and her husband that don't have a clue.

Hang in there. Try not to go nuts over their ignorance. Come here and unload when you need to. :pals: