If the US had a communist revolution, how quickly would the business owners fall?

[ck4829]

Don't take my word for it, just listen to the Republicans. Watch Fox News for a day.

"Business owners are AFRAID to hire"

"Taxes need to be lowered (even more) before business owners do anything"

"Lawsuit immunity this"

"Deregulate that"

Republicans make business owners sound like a bunch of yellow cowards, and it's quite interesting to note that the Chamber of Commerce and friends aren't objecting to that portrayal.

Now I'm not advocating a communist revolution, but I wonder how many business owners and wealthy people would go to Switzerland or Colombia and decide "that they like it better there" all of the sudden if everyone just simply started calling for a communist revolution.

What do you think a good estimate would be?

[davidinalameda]

1. I hope we never have to find out

communism has failed everywhere

communism and democracy certainly don't mix

[ck4829]

2. It has failed, but using communism as a bogeyman has not

Maybe it's time for the other side to use it as a bogeyman for once and see what happens.

[davidinalameda]

8. boogeyman or not

millions have died under communist regimes due to the direct action of the leaders

it's a failed system

I for one would not want to live in a country that is communist

capitalism ain't that great but it's certainly better

[mdmc]

18. what is the difference?

Communist = the party owns the means
Capitalist = the rich own the means..

It seems to be the same thing more or less.. (when I was a kid I had a hard time understanding why we were 'fighting communism'. What did I care if the party or the rich owned everything? It all seemed to be the same to me.. still does..)

[blindpig]

3. They will fight like starving dogs over a piece of meat

Just look at the murder and mayhem they deployed fighting unionization.

Of course modern day capitalists will not shoot at workers from the windows of their mill as they did in the '30s, they've got the police army and mercenaries to do that for them.

Still, they gotta go.

[luxoid]

5. Yup you aint wrong

Both here in th eUK and the US we face the consequences of the banking collapse and as usual we the working class have to pay - time to fight both sides of the pond !
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/main/Home

[luxoid]

4. democratic socialism

As a Brit in the UK and long time hard left socialist a la Trotsky - just let me say that don't confuse the communism of the Soviet Union with real Socialism which is truly democratic.The Soviet Union was a deformed workers state in which the stalinist bureaucracy usurped the gains of the revolution,and instituted a system of bureaucratic centralism,through which they exproriated the productive surplus as privilige.
It is the ruling class who will have you believe that socialism/communism have to be that way.
The US working class is the strongest working class on the planet,it can ensure through its traditional organisations IE the trade unions that socialism is democratic -don't let the bosses fool you into swallowing their propaganda.
I am advocating a socialist/communist revolution in which workers take control of society and plan production for the social good not the profit of a few,and I advocate it worldwide.
In both the UK and the US workeres are paying the price for flawed criminal policies in Afghanistan and in relation to the current crisis in capitalism - together we can defeat the capitalist class so I say,Democratic Socialist revolution now - workers of the woprld unite you have nothing to lose but your chains!
Have a look
http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/4370
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/main/Home

[LiberalLoner]

6. +1,000 Thank you. n/t

[luxoid]

7. i'd just add this

If there were a democratic socialist revolution in the USA then the rest of the world wouild be forced to follow,there would be no arguing...one can do more than hope - fight and organise for it,dont give up!

[davidinalameda]

9. you're in favor of overthrowing the current American government?

[Name removed]

10. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[davidinalameda]

16. I misread

whenever I see revolution, I think violence

[luxoid]

19. Violence?

Only if the ruling choose to instigate it!But then it is by violence that they rule,the violence of exploitation and all it's deleterious effects on society and waste of humanity.

[luxoid]

17. preferably by democratic means but

if the international or lets say the American working class were to cause the collapse of their democratically elected government via let us say a general strike and the working class ended up running society during that strike,I would call that a peaceful revolution,as that temporary displacement of power could quite easily become permanent,power being displaced into th ehands of the working class.In times of such crisis the working class spontneously govern,see to the old and the sick as happened in Britain 1926,Russia 1917,Germany 1923, - in short they run society through their own organisations,workers committees.Democratic socialism to me means the ending of the capitalist economy and replacing it with a democratically controlled nationalised and planned economy run for the benefit of the people by the people not by the profiteering few.The democracy of the ruling class is not what it seems,else how come the western world was duped by Bush?It is merely a veil behind which the truth and the real shakers and movers of society hide - the capitalist class.How the ecapitalist's rule is ended is not that important,though preferably peacefully I don't think that is a pre-requisite for ending their rule,after all history shows us that don't usually go peacefully,anywhere,but nly when they are completely paralysed by the forces they unleash on society through the perpetuation of exploitation and profiteering.
Yes I'm a Trotskyist!

[mdmc]

20. to form a more perfect union? sure

Wouldn't any patriot do the same?

[Riftaxe]

11. What business owners? They would be renamed Kulaks

and painted as the fundamental cause of economic problems, then exterminated by the Cheka.

[geek tragedy]

12. There would be no business owners after a Communist revolution. nt

[backwoodsbob]

13. a communist revolution?

good luck

[Radical Activist]

14. There are too many business owners and their closely allied suck-ups

for a communist revolution in the United States. Talking about it would be nothing but an imaginative circle jerk. Revolutions usually result from a specific set of desperate circumstances that don't exist here. And yes, even Che thought a communist revolution in the US was unrealistic. That's not how things are going to change here.

[zotfreep]

15. Watch out for teabaggers.

Those nasty Republican teabagging Gun owning Kooks will attack us if there is a revolution. Be careful.

[luxoid]

21. Committee for a Workers' International

you should check this out

http://socialistworld.net/

[luxoid]

22. The Soialist alternative in the USA Americans check them out

http://www.socialistalternative.org/

and read this an interview with Cindy Sheehan

http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article10.php?id=1407