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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 08:30 PM
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Our victory in war...
I don't understand how the ruling US "globalists" believe they are making the "globe" better. I mean they can certainly claim it, but the evidence is lacking. Rather, I see a lot of poverty, a general declining quality of life, bullet holes, bomb craters and rivers of blood.

However, here is one thing the globalists have said that's hard to argue with- most people in USA have not been shot through the head or had their family blown limb from limb by a "mistake". Hard to argue with that.

Instead, we have layoffs and wall street fat cats sucking us dry here, death and destruction there. Can we do any better than this? No, apparently we can't.

Casualties in Iraq range from 100,000 to 500,000 or more. Casualties in Afghanistan range from 10,000 to 50,000 or more.

When have we killed enough people in Iraq and Afghanistan to avenge 911? Is 1,000,000 enough - some believe we've even surpassed that since actual body count can be 2x to 3x offical body counts.

Does anyone in Washington feel even the slightest bit ashamed at our brutality (to include torture)? Or is the nation really run by a bunch of 20 somethings who get off on some sort of violent "rush" like a real life version of Grand Theft Auto? Or is it a religious thing - if they were christians who bombed us on 911 would we be still slaughtering christians 10 years later? What is it that keeps us killing and spending 10 billion a month or more to do it? If it isn't religion or vengence, what exactly? Our actions breed hate and hostility and continue to make the world a more dangerous place.


The following is from - these are the ones that are documented - I am comfortable with my belief that these are just the tip of the deathberg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Major_casualties_and_accidental_strikes_by_coalition_forces

2009

* February 12, 2009 - Australian special forces soldiers killed 5 Afghan children in an attack on a compound in Uruzgan province in southern Afghanistan.<20>
* March 2009 - A Danish smoke grenade that hit a kitchen during the course of fighting with insurgents flung a little girl against a wall, killing her. The Afghan child's death occurred at the start of March during joint military action with British soldiers in the province of Helmand.<215>
* April 9, 2009 - American-led military forces killed four civilians - a man, a woman, and two children - as well as an unborn baby in an overnight U.S. raid in the eastern province of Khost. The night raid killed the schoolteacher wife of Afghan National Army artillery commander Awal Khan, his 17-year-old daughter Nadia, his 15-year-old son, Aimal, and his brother, who worked for a government department. Another daughter was wounded. The pregnant wife of Khan's cousin, who lived next door, was shot five times in the abdomen, killing her nine-month-old unborn baby. "The coalition has to stop this cruelty and brutal action," a grieving Khan said. The US-led military initially said four people killed by troops were "armed militants", but later admitted that the people killed and wounded were civilians. International humanitarian organisation CARE said in a statement that the slain schoolteacher had been working at a school that it supports. "CARE strongly condemns the action and demands that international military forces operating in Afghanistan are held accountable for their actions and avoid all attacks on innocent civilians in the country."<75><76>
* May 4, 2009 - American B1-B bombers killed at least two dozen and possibly as many as 147 Afghan civilians in western Afghanistan in what has been called the Farah massacre. Local Afghan officials in Farah province collected the names of 147 people that were killed in the airstrike.<85><216> After the Afghan government's investigation, the Afghan Defense Ministry announced an official death toll of 140 villagers. A government list with the names and ages of each of the 140 killed showed that 93 of those killed were children, while only 22 were adult males.<86> A U.S. military investigation, on the other hand, estimated that 26 civilians were killed, but also admitted in its report that they would never be able to determine precisely how many civilians were killed by the operation. The U.S. military report concluded that at least two airstrikes on buildings should not have been ordered, and called for changes in the U.S. military's rules for using airstrikes as well as retraining. The report was also critical of the military for failing to assess battle damage quickly, and called for the creation of an investigative team that can respond within two hours of a reported incident.<217><218>
* September 4, 2009 - As many as 70-90 people, most of them civilians, were killed in northern Kunduz province by a U.S. airstrike called in by German ISAF troops after militants had hijacked two fuel tankers headed from Tajikistan to supply NATO forces. The hijacked tankers got stuck in the mud by Kunduz River near the village of Omar Khel. According to Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid, the insurgents opened valves to release fuel and lighten the loads, and villagers swarmed the trucks to collect the fuel despite warnings that they might be hit by an airstrike. According to some Afghan officials, the militants encouraged local people to take advantage of the situation. Word spread quickly and about 500 people from surrounding villages flocked to the trucks. At 2:30 A.M., a U.S. F-15 fighter jet dropped two 500-pound bombs on the fuel tankers, triggering a huge fireball that incinerated many of the people nearby. Video footage filmed in the morning showed piles of charred bodies lying by the river. An International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) team member and others said it was impossible to know how many people had died, with many bodies possibly having been washed away by the river. According to Afghan police, provincial officials, and doctors, most of those killed were civilians.<219><220><221>
Main article: Kunduz airstrike
* December 25, 2009 - Ten Afghan civilians, including 8 students that were children, were killed by U.S.-led forces during a military operation in the Narang district of Kunar province. The governor of Kunar province said the foreign military operation was launched without the knowledge of government officials in the province. On December 31, Afghan President Hamid Karzai stated that according to the investigative commission in Kunar, the victims had been shot dead in their homes by foreign soldiers. The headmaster of the school attended by the children has stated that 7 of the children had been handcuffed prior to being shot.<88> The Afghan president called upon ISAF to hand the soldiers that were responsible over to Afghan authorities - ISAF did not respond.<222><223>
* December 31, 2009 - At least 8 Afghan villagers were killed by a US airstrike on a house near the provincial capital Lashkar Gah in Helmand province. Two other villagers were also injured by the airstrike.<223>

2010

* February 14, 2010 - 12 Afghan civilians were killed by NATO missiles during a major U.S.-led offensive against insurgents in southern Afghanistan. ISAF admitted responsibility for the civilian deaths, saying that two rockets missed their target and landed on a compound in the Nad Ali district of Helmand province. President Hamid Karzai ordered an investigation into the incident that occurred less than 24 hours after he had again warned foreign troops to take all precautions to protect Afghan civilians. The United Nations meanwhile estimated that 900 families from the town of Marjah were being temporarily sheltered after fleeing their homes ahead of the large-scale military offensive involving over 15,000 troops.<224>
* February 15, 2010 - A NATO airstrike killed 5 Afghan civilians and wounded two others in Zhari district, Kandhar, about 23 km west of Kandahar city, after troops patrolling on the ground called in the airstrike. After the airstrike, the patrol "approached the site and determined the individuals had not been emplacing an IED," NATO said in a statement. U.S. Marine Maj.-Gen. Michael Regner, the chief of staff for NATO in Kabul, announced that an investigation would be undertaken "to determine how this happened."<225>
* February 21, 2010 - 33 civilians were killed in Uruzgan province in a NATO airstrike on a convoy of vehicles. NATO initially stated that the convoy was thought to have contained Taliban insurgents<226>, however, NATO ground troops arriving after the airstrike found a number of people dead and injured, including women and children<227>. The Afghan governor of the province, Sultan Ali, has stated that all of the dead were civilians, and the Afghan government condemned the attack, calling it "unjustifiable" and "a major obstacle" to effective counter-terrorism efforts<226>. The US and NATO commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, has apologised to Afghan president Hamid Karzai and ordered a full investigation into the incident.<227> In May, the American military released a report blaming the civilian casualties on “inaccurate and unprofessional” reporting by Predator drone operators.<228>

Cover ups of civilian casualties

Two pregnant women, a teenage girl, a police officer and his brother were shot on February 12 when US and Afghan special forces stormed their home in Khataba village, outside Gardez in eastern Afghanistan. NATO had initially claimed that the women had been dead for several hours when the assault force discovered their bodies, but later admitted responsibility for all the deaths. The Times reported that "US special forces soldiers dug bullets out of their victims’ bodies in the bloody aftermath of a botched night raid, then washed the wounds with alcohol before lying to their superiors about what happened, Afghan investigators have told The Times."<229><230>
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:22 PM
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1. I don't understand it either. I just can't believe that none of this matters, but then it doesn't
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 10:24 PM by patrice
appear to matter.

I am an American. What does that mean? Does it mean, as it appears, that we do these things, and finance them, and INNOCENT people die and I'm just supposed to go on with my life, like nothing happened? If So, our case against what happened on 9/11/01 is what?

I can imagine all of the "reasons", "explanations", "justifications" anyone/everyone can offer, for the stats that you cite, and I can understand and more or less credit any of them, but it all just always seems to come back to this point: if any of us claims a right to life, that's not a right unless it applies to everyone and if it doesn't apply to everyone, then it is a privilege and if it is a privilege then the logical extension of that privilege is mutually assured destruction and if that's what we are really about, then we NEED to admit that fact and get down to business, because anything less than sooner, rather than later, results in increased weakness and less of a chance of surviving. To deny or delay this is a Lie; is that a good idea? If we really really are a dog-eat-dog species, doesn't lying about that reduce your chances of eating rather than being eaten? Is THIS the kind of America we want?

WE are the ones who decide these things.

WE are the ones who create this world.

WE are the ones who kill the Innocents.

This is OUR story. It has been repeated over and over and very notably so in the story of someone known as Jesus, the Christ. If the story of Jesus IS real, it means the following facts:

Oil Royalty is Pilate.

BushCo is Herod.

"Christian" ChurchCo is the High Priests.

All of the innocent dead and suffering are Jesus.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:30 PM
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2. Well said - our blood lust is disturbing, whitehouse seems enamoured by it.. Thanks!






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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:30 PM
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3. duplicate!
Edited on Thu Jul-29-10 10:31 PM by scentopine






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