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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:23 PM
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Kelly had heart attack, says pathologist
New theory questions Hutton finding over death of weapons inspector, but says he was not murdered

By Andrew Johnson

A retired pathologist cast further doubt yesterday on the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr David Kelly, the government weapons inspector said to have committed suicide in 2003. She also criticised Lord Hutton's handling of the inquiry into his death. Dr Jennifer Dyson joined other experts questioning the official finding that Kelly bled to death. She argued it was more likely that the 59-year-old scientist suffered a heart attack due to the stress he had been placed under.

The intervention came as Michael Howard, the former Conservative Party leader, became the most prominent politician to call for a full inquest into the inspector's death. He told The Mail on Sunday that questions over the death meant that calling a full inquiry would be "entirely appropriate".

Kelly, Britain's most senior inspector in Iraq, was found dead in woods near his home in Oxfordshire. He was revealed to be the source behind a BBC news story which accused Tony Blair's former communications chief Alastair Campbell of "sexing up" the so-called "dodgy dossier" about Iraq's weapons.

Kelly had taken a non-lethal dose of painkillers and had cut his left wrist. A small knife was found near his body. Unusually for such a sudden and high-profile death, Kelly's case has never been the subject of a full coroner's inquiry. Instead, the case was examined during the Hutton inquiry. Lord Hutton concluded that Kelly had principally died from "bleeding from incised wounds to his left wrist which Dr Kelly had inflicted on himself with the knife found beside his body". He added that Kelly's death was hastened by the 29 pills he swallowed, and coronary heart disease.

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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:25 PM
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1. He would not have been found under a bush....he didn't really fit under, he would suicide like that
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:27 PM
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2. He had a heart attack and then slashed his wrists in his home and then ...
..... walked a mile to where his body was found.


Sure and George W Bush won Ohio in 2004 too.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:34 PM
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6. And then he shot himself three times in the head...just to make sure!
The dude was REALLY having a bad day!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:38 PM
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11. BTW the muscles in his "off arm" the one he did not slash ...
.... were so atrophied that he could not have slashed himself =
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:31 PM
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3. Heart attack or fatal dysrrhythmia as a result of something injected?
I don't believe for one minute any of the official explanations. Had an honest attempt occurred to autopsy and find cause of death, my guess is that there might well have been subtle evidence. Now, though, I doubt they will get to the bottom of what happened. I do not believe for one second that he took his own life. So, he slashed his wrists as he lay dying of a heart attack? :eyes:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:33 PM
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5. "So, he slashed his wrists as he lay dying of a heart attack?"
Edited on Sat Aug-14-10 09:34 PM by Botany
And walked from his house too. :rofl:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:32 PM
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4. perhaps a heart attack did kill him--but, as anybody who reads mysteries and crime novels knows,
there are many ways to induce that heart attack.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:36 PM
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7. Wasn't the KGB known for having poisoning techniques that made death look like a heart attack?
And isn't it at least possible that one of their defectors could have passed those techniques on, for a reasonable price, to MI5 and/or MI6?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:38 PM
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10. like british intelligence didn't already know.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 10:07 PM
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13. Exactly. This doesn't clear up shit for me. The British govt is not exonerated imho. nt
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:36 PM
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8. The CIA flu?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:54 PM
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12. Heart Attack Gun, Declassified 1975

CIA secret weapon of assassination - Heart Attack Gun, Declassified 1975

A CIA secret weapon used for assassination shoots a small poison dart to cause a heart attack, as explained in Congressional testimony in the short video below. By educating ourselves and others on vitally important matters like this, we can build a brighter future for us all.

The dart from this secret CIA weapon can penetrate clothing and leave nothing but a tiny red dot on the skin. On penetration of the deadly dart, the individual targeted for assassination may feel as if bitten by a mosquito, or they may not feel anything at all. The poisonous dart completely disintegrates upon entering the target.

The lethal poison then rapidly enters the bloodstream causing a heart attack. Once the damage is done, the poison denatures quickly, so that an autopsy is very unlikely to detect that the heart attack resulted from anything other than natural causes. Sounds like the perfect James Bond weapon, doesn't it? Yet this is all verifiable in Congressional testimony.

The astonishing information about this secret weapon of the CIA comes from U.S. Senate testimony in 1975 on rogue activities of the CIA. This weapon is only one of many James Bond-like discoveries of the Church Committee hearings, officially known as the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities.

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/Articles/tabid/266/ID/195/CIA-secret-weapon-of-assassination--Heart-Attack-Gun-Declassified-1975.aspx

CIA Whistleblower talks about Heart Attack gun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzIw44w00ow
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 09:37 PM
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9. In the end, all forms of death can be attributed to heart failure.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:54 AM
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14. Impressive argument by this barrister specializing in medical causation.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 06:00 AM
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15. Such a finding opens more questions than it answers.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 07:08 AM
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16. Suicide by heart attack
That's a new one.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:29 PM
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17. kick n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:33 PM
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18. Time to waterboard Tony Blair and get the truth out of him
Evidence: Ten reasons to query the suicide verdict

1. An elbow injury had left David Kelly's right arm too weak to cut his wrist.

2. He had "difficulty swallowing pills" so he couldn't have swallowed 29 tablets.

3. Medical records about the case have been classified for 70 years, implying there's something to hide.

4. There were no fingerprints on the pruning knife used to cut his wrist.

5. He anticipated his own death, predicting he would "probably be found dead in the woods" if Iraq was invaded.

6. Doctors doubt the severed artery would have caused enough blood loss for him to have died of a haemorrhage.

7. The detective who found his body, Constable Graham Coe, said there wasn't much blood, so how could he have died of blood loss after slitting his wrist?

8. Two paramedics at the scene were sceptical the "wrist wound we saw" could have caused his death.

9. There was no evidence he was depressed; he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding.

10. His death certificate was not signed by a doctor or coroner and does not state a place of death.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/kelly-had-heart-attack-says-pathologist-2053048.html
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