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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:42 PM
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If we can't win the mass media, what ground can we advance on?
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 03:42 PM by Fresh_Start
Personally I think we did piss poor on the web and social media this election.
And I don't think anyone appreciates robocalls so that not an answer.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:43 PM
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1. We can text and email the media, especially the shows which air text and email...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:53 PM
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4. to the media, any feedback, even negative is positive. it means you're watching.
that is all they care about. period.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:48 PM
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3. Re Energize The Netroots
That's our "equalizer" that was pretty much a no-show during the past election. It's using social media and direct interactions to build our own "tea party"...organizing behind certain candidates and use blogs, YouTube and Internet broadcasting to spread the word. It's reorganizing the financing...building up a fund for Progressive and Liberals to compete in 2012 and not rely on the DNC, DCCC or DSCC. But can Democrats and Progressives, in specific, herd cats?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:00 PM
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5. I also think we need to elicit the teachers
we'll be subversives and make children want to vote as eagerly as they want to drive a car.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:04 PM
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7. Overall Education And Organizing
As the parent of several teachers, honestly, I'd prefer politics staying out of both the classroom and the school system. The place where help is definitely needed is in the unions. People talk about the golden days of FDR and JFK/LBJ and those were times when union membership was far higher than today and thus gave them a greater voice in policy and in the election process. That's all but vanished in the past 30 years. One would think that in such tough times people would be seeking the unity and protections unions can offer but instead they've been fed years of anti-union propaganda on the corporate media and, unfortunately, some unions that became country clubs for the elite members and did little while jobs were being lost.

Cheers...
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:09 PM
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9. I didn't intend to bring politics into the classroom,
I wanted to bring voting into the classroom.

Not a platform, the pure mechanics and mathematics of voting.
Maybe some stories about how important a single vote can be.
Take one of the local elections won by 1 vote.
Or a state election won by 500 votes.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:14 PM
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18. Once Upon A Time...
I had to take a Constitution test in 8th grade and then in High School. Seems like civics classes no longer exist. You're right, those elements about being a responsible citizen and how the government works are values worth teaching. Sadly I assumed they were.

Cheers...
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:01 PM
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6. That was my impression, I got nada worth noticing
on the internet or social media.
No Obama girls (which my husband enjoyed).
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:05 PM
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8. Mass media is dying
it will naturaly expire. thats not to say we can sit on our laurels the new fronteer is the net and we have to make sure we continue to take better advantage of it.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:19 PM
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10. The 'net' was the new frontier a decade ago
Now it is just another part of the mass media. Mass media is in fact growing and consolidating.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:21 PM
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11. The streets...
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 04:21 PM by Ozymanithrax
We take protests to the streets, like in the 60's, like during the labor movement.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:34 PM
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14. not going to happen
we have two wars going on and virtually no protests.
We have LAZY people....we need to bring it to them where they are.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:17 PM
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17. There will come apoint when the misery index reaches high enough...
and it will happen.

I don't think there is any other way.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:29 PM
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12. MSNBC. I repeat. MSNBC.
Between KO, Rachel, Lawrence, Ed and even Tweety, the Ds could have Obama, Biden, or anybody else they wanted on as a spokesperson pushing the D message/agenda every day of the week. Anything that was said that was newsworthy would immediately be picked up for NBC and then by the other major media channels.

There's no need to go for outlier media at this point. Ds already have their own MSM version of Faux News with MSNBC's nightly lineup of D-friendly shows. I'd start there.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:33 PM
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13. Not enough, it reaches less than 20% of the voting public
we need to reach close to 100% of the voting public.

We need to bring it to the people.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:57 PM
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15. And that's the problem. The mass media which has had the
impact has been 1) RW radio, blasting hate and lies 24/7 day after day, year after year. Look at all the RW screamers: Rush, Savage, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck just to name the most obvious. This type of drumbeat repitition works - just ask Josef Goebbels. 2) Fox TV. Imagine if the Democratic Party had one cable network all for itself, serving as the voice of the Democratic party 24/7 on TV. The effect of this cannot be overstated. The problem is I don't see how we can ever equal its effect. Left-slanted Radio has been a dismal failure, MSNBC is certainly not 100% Democratic, and not 24/7. We have been outmanuevered and outspent, and I'm damned if I know how we can ever level the playing field again.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:59 PM
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16. But lots of people don't watch TV or cable
including especially the young people whose minds we need to sway to VOTE.
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