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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:19 AM
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How organized (or disorganized) is the impeachment movement?
Edited on Thu May-24-07 11:20 AM by Fridays Child
Is the popular will to impeach Bush and Cheney strong but disorganized? Which grassroots groups are calling for it? Which states and municipalities are calling for it? For which senators and House members is impeachment ON the table? Would organizing the movement so that our voices can punch through the tin ears of Reid and Pelosi make a difference?

We have to do this. I'm convinced that the very future of our country hangs in the balance.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:21 AM
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1. Impeachment can not be organized at the grass roots level
All we can do is pressure our Congress-critters to take action. So far, despite considerable pressure, Congress has refused to even consider the possibility of impeachment.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:27 AM
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4. Impeachment cannot be organized at the grassroots level. You're right.
But the call for impeachment can be.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:23 AM
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2. The people are organized for it.
The party leadership is organized against it.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:32 AM
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7. The people are splintered, as sfexpat2000 has said.
And that's the point I'm trying to make here.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:35 AM
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9. The people that want it are organized.
The people that don't are following the leadership or are uninformed of the high crimes.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:38 AM
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10. Also, its the most organized ground swell movement for
impeachment I have ever witnessed (I was born in the 50's).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:25 AM
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3. Most people I know here want it but three people meet in 12 places
so, we're splintered in all honesty. I believe San Francisco City & County passed a resolution.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:30 AM
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6. This is what I'm afraid of. How can it all be pulled together into one meta-movement?
I think it might require one charismatic personality, around which the movement can coalesce. With all due respect--and my respect for him is enormous--it's not Dennis Kucinich.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:34 AM
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8. There are a lot of people, actually, Dennis, Rocky Anderson,
even Chuck Hagel. My local problem is that the same organizers are working on ending the occupation and on impeachment. It's hard to do both. But, we keep trying to network with other progressive groups in our area. We could use help.

I had an idea to hold a speakers' series in cool venues with people who've been ignored by BushCo tabling. It would be fun, we could raise a dollar and grow the movement. So far, it's still an idea. :(
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:02 PM
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12. Can the two movements be fused...
...to end Bush's occupation of Iraq and America? I don't know but it seems to me that they are the same issue. Most of Bush's illegal behavior has been perpetrated under the false flag of the war on terror.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:04 PM
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13. That would be the way to go. Impeachment people tend to get
hung up on wiretapping as the best legal case but imho, that's a distraction.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:51 PM
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14. Wiretapping is hugely important but it lacks emotional appeal.
Most people are content to believe that it will never affect them. Thus as an appeal to popular will, it fails.

The media understand that, "if it bleeds, it leads." Similarly, in developing an effective impeachment movement, not only is the war the most urgent and morally correct talking point, it also has the necessary emotional appeal.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:28 AM
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5. What you can do is go to Democrats.com
and sign up as a member of a Congressional impeachment Committee. Find your Congressional District and sign up. Your congressional district may already have an impeachment committee. Ours is for the 11th Congressional District of Virginia. Our Congresscritter, Tom Davis has met with us and we are working on various activites, including an impeachment panel for June 23rd. Can't say it will push the matter to action, but we were mad and tired of sitting on the couch.

Http://www.Democrats.com

Also http://www.afterdowningstreet.org has helpful information.

11th Congressional District of VA impeachment committee is at the link below:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:48 AM
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11. I will do this.
Thank you for the information. I really think that a movement leader needs to emerge, too. Sfexpat2000 has mentioned Rocky Anderson as active in the effort. I admire him tremendously and would like to see him get more exposure.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:17 PM
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15. David Swanson
is a former Kucinich staffer who is a leader in this movement. His site is Afterdowningstreet.org. He also occassionally posts to DU.
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