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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:22 PM
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President Obama Is Fighting For Middle-Class tax Cuts
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 07:28 PM by bigtree
That's the first and most significant part of what he's said on the extension of the Bush tax cuts.

The second thing he's asserted is that the nation can't afford a permanent extension of the upper-class tax cuts.

from his radio address at the beginning of the month: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/11/06/weekly-address-president-obama-calls-compromise-and-explains-his-priorit

PRESIDENT: ". . . the last thing we should do is raise taxes on middle-class families. For the past decade, they saw their costs rise, their incomes fall, and too many jobs go overseas. They’re the ones bearing the brunt of the recession. They’re the ones having trouble making ends meet. They are the ones who need relief right now.

So something’s got to be done. And I believe there’s room for us to compromise and get it done together.

Let’s start where we agree. All of us want certainty for middle-class Americans. None of us want them to wake up on January 1st with a higher tax bill. That’s why I believe we should permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for all families making less than $250,000 a year. That’s 98 percent of the American people . . .

I recognize that both parties are going to have to work together and compromise to get something done here. But I want to make my priorities clear from the start. One: middle class families need permanent tax relief. And two: I believe we can’t afford to borrow and spend another $700 billion on permanent tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.


I don't think that his 'promise' to end the tax cut for the wealthy is as politically consequential as his outright promise (he actually pledged this) to make certain that middle-class taxes did not go up in his term.

Congress is going to act on the tax cuts, no matter what President Obama does. That's not something the President has much control over at all. It's not hard to envision this Senate (and even more, the next) holding up anything the lame-duck House manages to pass to advantage their upper-class cuts. It's also not hard to imagine enough Democrats in the Senate letting them. There are already a few on record in favor of some extension of the UCC.

If he does agree to a temporary extension of the upper-class tax cuts as part of a deal to get an extension for middle-class tax cuts that won't be a capitulation, it will be a compromise to preserve those middle-class tax rates.

He has his veto pen and could certainly veto any compromise the Senate sends him, but he'd be working against what he said earlier this month is his 'number-one priority' of permanently maintaining the extension for the middle-class if he vetoes such a deal and allows them both to expire. He'll not have much leverage in this debate other than that veto; and that would likely to be overturned anyway by the vast majority of legislators who will not allow taxes to be raised by their votes anytime soon.

The President's commitment to lowering middle-class tax rates over the objections of republicans has already been demonstrated in an historic way in the passage of his stimulus bill that republicans are angling to dismantle.

from PolitiFact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/28/barack-obama/tax-cut-95-percent-stimulus-made-it-so/

PRESIDENT: "We cut taxes. We cut taxes for 95 percent of working families. We cut taxes for small businesses. We cut taxes for first-time homebuyers. We cut taxes for parents trying to care for their children. We cut taxes for 8 million Americans paying for college."

____ The tax cut was part of Obama's campaign promises. During the campaign, Obama said he wanted $500 for each worker and $1,000 for working couples. Since the final number was a bit less than he promised, we rated his promise a Compromise on our Obameter, where we rate Obama's campaign promises for fulfillment.

During the campaign, the independent Tax Policy Center researched how Obama's tax proposals would affect workers. It concluded 94.3 percent of workers would receive a tax cut under Obama's plan based on the tax credit to offset payroll taxes. According to the analysis, the people who wouldn't get a tax cut are those who make more than $250,000 for couples or $200,000 for a single person. ____


President Obama is fighting for an extension of the Bush-era middle class tax cuts to fulfill his campaign promise to prevent any increase of middle class taxes during his term. He's facing a lame-duck legislature that doesn't appear to have enough votes to pass either the upper-class tax cut or the middle-class tax cut extension on their own. That political equation is just going to get worse in the next Congress.

To allow them both to expire (by inaction or by veto) would, in effect, increase the tax burden on the middle class. It's one thing to argue that we could do without both (as some have), but it's another thing entirely to frame the acceptance of an extension of the upper-class cuts in exchange for an extension of the middle-class cuts as some capitulation. The fact is, the President is fighting for those middle-class tax cuts; albeit without a magic wand.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:25 PM
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1. He's fought for them all along.
Just like he's fought for a lot of good things.
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Lisa D Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:25 PM
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2. K&R for the truth
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:25 PM
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3. Yeah, Right. . .
And he'll ditch his opposition to tax cuts for the rich in a New York second!!!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:27 PM
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4. There's that word "permanent" again.
That man does love his wiggle room.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:42 PM
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9. Yes, he's always careful to put that qualifier in there.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:32 PM
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5. The following is what I disagree with.
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 07:59 PM by mmonk
"I don't think that his 'promise' to end the tax cut for the wealthy is as politically consequential as his outright promise (he actually pledged this) to make certain that middle-class taxes did not go up in his term."

Not ending the tax cuts for the plundering class and cutting government services will have political consequences. Add in the push for lower wages and union busting and all you have is much of the same policy that is keeping our economy in a ditch. And do you really think the Republicans will take the blame?

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:40 PM
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7. I don't think that is as evident to most folks as it is to the politically aware
. . . and active among us.

Union-busting? I think the auto bailout is noted by those actually affected for the jobs it saved more than any union-busting. Time will tell, I guess. I think most of the 'blame' on the President for the state of the economy is irrational and not accounting for the depths that we would have sunk if he hadn't acted.


Obama stimulus put between 1.4 million and 3.6 million to work in the third quarter of this year

The massive U.S. stimulus package, widely panned by voters, injected life into the otherwise-sluggish economy between July and September, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said on Wednesday.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act put between 1.4 million and 3.6 million to work in the third quarter of this year, a time when more than 15 million Americans were unemployed, CBO said.

It also boosted national output by between 1.4 percent and 4.1 percent during that time, the CBO said.

The CBO's estimates have consistently shown that the $814 billion package of tax cuts, state aid, construction spending and enhanced safety-net provisions has blunted the impact of the worst U.S. recession since the 1930s.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/11/24/business/business-us-usa-economy-stimulus.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=print
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:51 PM
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11. I didn't say I blame him.
I'm not as easily swayed by politics as I am by having studied economics at the post secondary level. I am thankful for the stimulus but it was not large enough and politically tampered with to the point it couldn't bring relief to many Americans in time before the elections. Political propaganda holds sway with the voting public that isn't in tune with real economic realities and haven't received the benefits of improving personal situations yet.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:40 PM
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6. I say he vetoes any partial extension of the UCC
Anything else is not fighting hard enough. Stand up for the middle class and against the upper class. Republicans have a choice. They can send him something he won't veto or THEY can fight for the upper classes and against the middle and lower classes. If he doesn't show which side he is on vs. which side Republicans on, then that is a major failure. A marketing failure.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:44 PM
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10. at whose expense would he be waging that fight?
If it meant the ending of the middle-class cuts, that is real-life money coming out of the bottom-line of millions of Americans' budgets. The rest you describe just sounds like political infighting with little regard for the folks who stand the most to lose in the equation.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:54 PM
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13. and the blame would be on the Republicans
the Republicans who chose the upper class over the middle class. If Obama caves on the UCC, then the $70 billion is going to be demanded by the Republican House in spending cuts. Spending cuts like Obama's commission is going to propose tomorrow. It sounds like it will be a Republican proposal as well, and Obama needs to fight that proposal to. Elimination of the UCC gives him the money to fight with. With an extension of the UCC that will mean cuts, and those cuts will be at the expense of much poorer people than the "middle class", many of whom are making from $50,000 - $200,000 a year.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:51 PM
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18. the Senate is going to stage test votes for both cuts
They'll be on the record opposing middle class cuts, for whatever that's worth. Political theater.

There are only two possible conclusions, no matter what we say we want to see. The President will either veto the compromise or let it ride to his desk. I predict he'll get his middle-class tax extension. The rest is the question mark. If he allows the upper-class tax cuts to ride a little further, I'd say he got the best he could expect out of that bunch; with little prospect for anything better in the future.

He did say that the cost of the extension is a big concern of his. I'd fully expect to see him demand some capitulation from republicans to emphasize that point.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:41 PM
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8. Supportin Bush's failed program...
...will prove to be a COLOSSAL error.
Those "Bush Tax Cuts" sure have worked well, haven't they?
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:53 PM
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12. "Permanent" extension
To put this as politely and as nicely as I can, anyone who actually thinks that passing a temporary extension of the Upper class cuts is not going to result in them being permanent, is a moron.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:04 PM
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14. As usual he starts the negotiations by offering compromise
I remember when compromise was a bad word-like in compromising your beliefs and liberal was a good word meaning generous. Enough-its time for the gutless wonder who wants everyone to love him to learn the hard lesson-if you try to please everyone no one will even like you.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:06 PM
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15. the expiration of tax cuts on the rich is more important than saving the
"middle-class" breaks, most of which go to the upper-middle.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:06 PM
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16. Will a middle class tax cut balance what Obama has done to my SS and Widow's Annuity?
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:26 PM
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17. If we are serious about dealing with the deficit then the wars have to end.....today! And....
the tax cuts need to expire.

The military has to be cut by at least 1/3.
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:54 PM
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19. Yeah but it will only happen when he compromises like we all know he's going to do
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