Julian Assange is a hero. He did what our media is too chicken to do

[Taverner]

I don't care who's in office, this kind of shit should be out there.

No one will die because of it, but corrupt governments might find themselves on the out.

[kayakjohnny]

1. Good luck with this thread.

Be prepared to duke it out if you stay on tonight.

I happen to agree, but you'll find many people who don't.

They will be here shortly.

[Taverner]

2. Don't I know it

My question is: just because a Democrat is doing it - does that make it right?

[slay]

42. I think you may be surprised - there are quite a lot of us who consider him a hero

and rightly so! It's about time the trasparency Obama promised is finally delivered - cause Obama sure won't do it - so it falls on people like computer geek Julian Assange and the awesome Bradly Manning for taking such personal risk to see that TRUTH sees the light of day. People who don't like the truth - can't handle the truth? Too bad.

[truth2power]

76. Assange and Bradley Manning are both heros in my book. ..

Anyone who disagrees can get back to me after we stop blowing up people's children and other family members in the ME. Also when our constitutional scholar president stops telling us he has the right to have individuals assassinated anywhere in the world without benefit of due process.

[bluestate10]

102. Assange is a dangerous publicity seeking charlatan.

What really is the difference between him and Sarah Palin? Both throw bombs in crowded theaters for no real reason.

[slay]

116. Did you really just state there is no difference between Julian Assange and Sarah Palin?

Your analogy is flawed and foolish neither "throws bombs". I shouldn't even continue to respond to your foolish statement but I have a couple more things to say.

If you can't handle the truth, that's your problem, not mine.

Wikileaks exists because the corruption is massive and people who are against it had nowhere to turn.

I could easily call you an attention seeking charlatan as well. :eyes:

Assange and Manning are heroes.

And why is it those of you who come on DU spouting nonsense with no reasons to back it up NEVER have your profile info visible. Guess you really are a big FAN OF SECRETS huh?

[Kaleko]

122. LOL. Try harder, push that peabrain out through your eyeballs

and you'll feel much, much better.

[sudopod]

141. For one thing, he's not threatening to undo a century of progress.

Also, how is he a charlatan? He certainly isn't going to get rich doing this.

Do you just not like seeing the boat rocked, or what?

[sudopod]

3. Why do you hate America?

LOL, just kidding, you're 100% right.

K n R.

[Kennah]

4. I think Assange will be a hero ...

... if Wikileaks efforts actually lead to an end to the war in Afghanistan or Iraq.

If however the standard is because of his efforts, then a whole lot of people deserve hero status.

[Pavulon]

14. Obama is ending the war in Iraq, like he said he would when he was elected

and trying to end Afghanistan. None of that has to do with assange.

[Kennah]

18. You are very much correct on Iraq ...

... and for that Obama is a hero. Now if we can just get the 50K or so "non-combat troops" in Iraq back home.

On Afghanistan, sadly, I suspect Sec-Ops ain't gonna let that end.

[Taverner]

19. I never said it did

Let me put it to you this way. Assange says that Wikileaks has released more classified documents than the rest of the world press combined.

"That's not something I say as a way of saying how successful we are – rather, that shows you the parlous state of the rest of the media. How is it that a team of five people has managed to release to the public more suppressed information, at that level, than the rest of the world press combined? It's disgraceful." -- Julian Assange

There are those of us who expect more of the fourth estate than what we are getting.

This is how the Internet is changing the world.

[Pavulon]

23. Yep, and some dude in latvia has made more child porn than the rest of the world combined

releasing secret information is not the media's job. Their job is not to fuck america and its diplomatic process.

Thats assange's job. His crew of 5 people may be getting smaller.

[Bugenhagen]

78. About 5 DU posters write more garbage than all the rest combined.

[ProudDad]

53. Yeah, right...

That's why there are still 150,000 USAmerican troops and contractors still occupying Iraq...

Get a brain, Morans!

[northernlights]

22. Assange's goal is not to end one or another of our wars...it is global and much broader

his goal is to catalyze the "shadow government" to implode. I hope he achieves his goal and I hope he lives to see it. :shrug:

[xiamiam]

43. yes but many dont even think there is a shadow government

so how could one expect them to understand what he is doing? he is a hero and hopefully his courage will inspire others with similar skills to attempt to dismantle the beast

[flyarm]

50. + 1 million!!!!!!!!!!!

[heliarc]

71. I think he means to end the nation state entirely. nt

[Autumn]

5. K/R. I agree

our so called media are all a bunch of chicken shit assholes. Julian Assange is a hero,and a great American, whereas none of our media is worth a bucket of warm spit. Excluding Keith and Rachel.

[monmouth]

7. So do I...K&R

[Pavulon]

13. Assange is an Australian and the NYT did his work

he just dumped docs to them (and others) and is riding the wave of lulz poor bradley was looking for. Ironic.

[Violet_Crumble]

17. He should be nominated for Australian of the Year!

http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/

Seriously. Unlike the other boring recipients, he'd have done something worth getting the award for...

[Pavulon]

25. Pretty sure he has an open criminal case there too now(nt)

[Violet_Crumble]

31. I'm absolutely positive he hasn't

Just came back and edited to change from 'pretty sure' to 'absolutely positive' after checking to make sure the AFP hadn't issued an arrest warrant this morning. I guess the mudflinging is done in the hope that eventually some may stick. Kind of lame...

[ProudDad]

56. As usual, you're wrong...

Link?

[Forkboy]

94. I'm just surprised you made it this far into the thread without calling him a rapist.

[U4ikLefty]

129. Unfortunately, you missed post #24.

:puke:

[Forkboy]

136. It's all the poster has, when he isn't rooting for Assange's death.

[Autumn]

21. Personally. I think they both deserve a

Medal of Freedom or at least a Nobel Peace Prize. IMO

[Pavulon]

24. The nobel would be a great irony. can you accept it if you are convicted of rape in sweden?(nt)

[Autumn]

26. Has there been a conviction? I haven't heard that. n/t

[Pavulon]

27. not yet(nt)

[Autumn]

30. So you post one line inferring that he has been convicted.

He hasn't been convicted, you are just hopeful but they sure seem to scare the shit out of you don't they? Just by your previous reply I will say have a good evening, because you are not someone I would wish to discuss any thing with.

[Name removed]

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[go west young man]

80. Do a bit of research for a change instead of spouting off talking points.

Link here: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700087204/Lawyer-Assange-is-being-persecuted-in-Sweden.html

Assange is wanted on suspicion of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. The exact nature of the allegations aren't completely clear — formal charges have yet to be tabled — but Sweden's rape laws are broader than in many other European countries.

Swedish prosecutors have disagreed about whether to label the most serious charge as rape.

Stephens has previously said that the allegations were made after Assange had consensual sex with two women who turned on him after becoming aware of each other's relationships.


The article is dated Dec. 1st 2010.

[kayakjohnny]

28. Convicted?

Or accused?

[Pavulon]

33. Either or?, he could use the million to pay off his victims(nt)

[Forkboy]

96. Oh baby, work it...yeah...just like that.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

127. You and Binka

spot the same shit that I see. I always look forward to a Forkboy post :)

[Forkboy]

128. Binka has a great eye for bullshit.

I'll never be in her league, though I try. ;)

[uncommon]

65. Accused.

Knowing the justice systems of the world when it comes to rape, probably not convicted even if he is guilty.

Either way he's a scumbag.

[MNBrewer]

92. It hardly matters if one makes the wrong enemies.

and he's made the wrong enemies

[Taverner]

40. So you beleive that jacked up story?

I mean - c'mon this is wandering into Truther crap here...

[Forkboy]

98. He's played the rape card in every thread I've seen him in on the topic.

[RetroLounge]

105. Yup.

Like Clockwork

RL

[xiamiam]

44. why do you not appreciate what he is doing? and focus on this bs?

[ProudDad]

57. The Nobel lost its luster

when they gave it to Obama and he used the occasion to justify his latest war...

[sabrina 1]

73. If that happens, the world will laugh and it will make his predictions

from a few months ago, complete with a CIA memo planning to smear him. You can no longer count on our media to influence world opinion. People expected him to be smeared and the sad thing is, even IF it were true, which the women themselves actually denied originally (did you forget that part?) no one is going to believe it anyhow, except for a few who have a vested interest in covering up the lies told by governments to their people.

Why do you want to censor the news? Had Wikileaks been around in 2003 while our useless, coopted media was cheering the lies, an awful lot of human beings might still be alive today. And this country would be a whole lot better off and might still have some credibility.

[ChadwickHenryWard]

77. Don't you think it's unlikely

that he goes to Sweden to hide out, and while keeping a low profile, he rapes two women? Don't you find it suspicious that one of them is known to be on the CIA's payroll?

[MNBrewer]

91. You can accept the Peace Prize if you're responsible for overseeing the murder of hundreds of people

so maybe.

[Forkboy]

95. I retract my post # 94

:rofl:

[RetroLounge]

103. There it is!

Predictable as ever.

:rofl:

RL

[midnight]

58. Somehow I think the leg work and other steps involved

don't neccessarily deserve to be described as "dumped". As for the NYT doing his work, what exactly is it they did?

[ProudDad]

54. Uh, he's Australian...

A USAmerican citizen would be summarily executed for what he's doing...

[SlimJimmy]

70. Assange is neither a hero nor an American.

18 USC 793 - Sec. 793. Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

... (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

[go west young man]

82. Releasing documents that expose the bad guys lies is true patriotism not espionage.

Some DU'ers need to wake up to the fact that we are the baddies.

[SlimJimmy]

117. Some DUer's need to wake up to the fact that their "hero"

broke federal law and is a common criminal. Nothing more, nothing less.

[go west young man]

118. I suppose all those dead innocent Iraqi people see us as hero's?

I think Assange would be their hero. We certainly wouldn't be.

[SlimJimmy]

137. I stand by what I said. He is a criminal, nothing more, nothing less (nt)

[go west young man]

144. Seems to me that your national pride trumps your ability to reason.

[stray cat]

6. So is dick Cheney

[Taverner]

11. ????huh????

I don't understand your trick quip - please explain

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

29. I wouldn't expect a reply. You're talking to the King of One Liners.

It's one idiotic analogy after another with this one.

[Ken Burch]

38. You can't seriously be comparing what Cheney did to Valerie Plame

with Wikileaks.

Cheney did what he did to hurt the wife of a whistleblower. Assange is doing it to save the world. There's a MASSIVE difference.

There can't be a negative consequences to what Assange has done.

Secrecy in foreign policy always leads to right-wing and militaristic choices.

[LibraLiz1973]

48. To "Save the World"??????? REALLY?

[Ken Burch]

142. Yes, really. Secret deals just get ordinary people killed.

None of us have anything to gain from NOT knowing what the insiders are doing to us on matters of life and death.

[ecstatic]

60. Devil's advocate: Isn't knowledge power?

:shrug: Isn't that the refrain being used to justify Assange's actions? Yet, just like Plame could have been killed, people may be killed due to what Assange did.

[sabrina 1]

75. That's the talking that must have come from the memo to smear

Assange and get the left on board. It is so weak an attempt, they used to be better with their talking points, that it actually demonstrates the desperation they feel now that people are getting a good look at how these governments, not just the U.S. btw, operate.

That comparison is laughable. But intelligent people know that already. I've seen it now so often you know it has to be a talking point.

[bluestate10]

107. Save the world. Ohhh, really?????

I see no difference between the irresponsible bleating of Sarah Palin and Assange. The only difference is that many lean toward Assange, while viewing Palin as a pariah. Both are cut from the same self serving and irresponsible cloth.

[Forkboy]

100. But enough about your friends.

[ZombieHorde]

112. Haha! nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. It's sad that here on DU the right of the people to know what their government does is in dispute.

The "Daddy knows best" attitude of some here is pathetic.

[bluestate10]

108. Openness must be responsible. Assange is not. nt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

115. How would he be "responsible"? By letting the people he's busting decide what's released?

The very same people who churned out the cables and want to shut WikiLeaks down?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

114. dupe

[flyarm]

9. agree 1 million percent!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for saying what i feel as well! eom

[Gregorian]

10. I wonder if any of these leaks will reopen the Plame outing case.

I keep thinking about the difference between leaking crimes versus leaking operatives doing their work.

I'm thankful for Assange, even if the leaks do do some damage. They'll do more good than bad.

[yourout]

12. +1 bazillion. More daylight will help disinfect government.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

15. K & R The fourth estate is compromised and has become little more than a propaganda machine.

Corporations do not serve the greater good's interest.

[Taverner]

16. Assange says that Wikileaks has released more classified documents than the rest of the world press

"That's not something I say as a way of saying how successful we are – rather, that shows you the parlous state of the rest of the media. How is it that a team of five people has managed to release to the public more suppressed information, at that level, than the rest of the world press combined? It's disgraceful."

[Zanzobar]

20. It's too early to tell what the consequences are.

Too early to call him a hero, and certainly too early to know if the results include death.

We will probably never know if people are tombstoned as a result of these leaks.

[Bluerthanblue]

46. wise words-

not popular ones, but wise none the less.

:hi:

[Recursion]

34. Dupe. Self-delete

[Recursion]

35. Umm.... he gave the material to NYT, the Guardian, and Le Monde

I don't see how the media is being "chicken" if they're the ones disseminating it.

[treestar]

36. DU is always looking for a hero.

[xiamiam]

45. yep..we thought we had one in our pres..quick learners however here at du

most of us share one common bond..we appreciate truth..i didnt say all..but most, even when it is difficult to accept

[ecstatic]

61. The problem is, you put someone up on a pedestal without knowing

shit about that person, then you act surprised and outraged when the person isn't 100% in agreement with you at all times. :crazy:

[xiamiam]

63. i never put anyone on a pedestal..

agreement has nothing to do with it..action does

[MNBrewer]

97. like the one in the center of your picture?

[Forkboy]

101. Irony...it's thick in this one.

:rofl:

[RetroLounge]

106. and heroes need their cheerleaders.

:puke:

RL

[bluestate10]

109. Yes. And that's sad. A hero won't be found in Assange. nt

[HEyHEY]

37. Too Chicken to do? Maybe you didn't notice that you're reading this information in media

It's not a matter of fear, it's a matter of getting the material.

[PeaceNikki]

55. Right. The major media outlets have and will and are publishing...

they've just had a pesky habit of trying to block names so ya know... people don't get hurt or killed. Julian HATES that.

[LostInAnomie]

39. Yeah, without him I wouldn't know about Gaddafi's big boobed nurse.

[sudopod]

41. Without him

You wouldn't know that the Department of Defense estimated that we killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians during the course of the war.

But you would zoom in on the boobs, wouldn't ya Carl?

[kctim]

47. Dang!

To think I could have also been a hero if I would have only copied all that classified info that lets people gain access to nukes.

[piratefish08]

49. Assange is guilty of journalism. Disclosing issues that our media is afraid to touch.

It's a shame that our country is conditioned to be afraid of the truth anymore.

[Renew Deal]

51. Did he really do what the media wouldn't do?

Do you believe that the NY Times or another organization wouldn't publish the information if they had it? I believe they would publish.

I do wonder if they could be talked out of it.

[ProudDad]

59. They'll publish (some, redacted versions)

in order to sell papers and make a profit...

They're good little capitalists...

But they won't pay a fucking nickle to dig out this kind of information themselves...

Investigative reporting is too expensive, hurts the bottom line, and is therefore dead in the USAMerican M$M...

[piratefish08]

79. Yes, he did. The proof is that even NOW when details are out there, the MSM has twisted the story

and made it ALL about Assange with very little comment regarding the actual details of the releases.

Media in this country gave up on true reporting long ago.

[ProudDad]

52. I don't know about "hero" but he's a hell of a strategist

and tactician...

Julian Assange & The Computer Conspiracy: "To Destroy This Invisible Government"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9657585

[whosinpower]

62. His actions are revolutionary

And the powers that be - hate him for it.

If you have nothing to hide - you have nothing to fear, but fear itself. If you say something, or write something that is potentially "embarrassing" - then there is a very easy fix....adjust your behaviour so you will not put yourself or others into that situation.

And HERE IS THE KICKER....IF YOU, AS A DIPLOMAT, POSSESS INFORMATION FROM UNDERCOVER INFORMANTS, AND THAT INFORMATIONS RELEASE COULD ENDANGER THEIR LIVES....THEN MARK THAT INFORMATION TOP SECRET...OR FIND A WAY TO ENCRYPT IT....this is not rocket science. Do not blame the leaker for your laziness, or your own lack of moral compass that would find ENOUGH FUCKING CONCERN to make sure that information went to only the eyes it was supposed to go.

Calling Putin and Medvedev Batman and Robin.....yeah that is STUPID, disrespectful, arrogent, infantile. Again - this is not the fault of the leaker - but the asshole who wrote it.

We are at a crossroads here. Either we embrace an open society, and all the lumps and embarrassment that entails.....or we justify a secretive closed authoritarian one. If we choose the later, then we have sacrificed our democracy, and the principle that governments work FOR the PEOPLE, not in spite of them.

[blackspade]

66. +100%

[robinlynne]

64. right on. he is doing what journalists are supposed to be doing.

[Lucian]

67. I agree.

+ a million

[ColesCountyDem]

68. Maybe, but maybe not.

Time will be the judge of that. I'm reserving judgment, until I see the body count his leaks account for.

[bos1]

69. Ellsberg was a hero. Compare/contrast to Assange

& Assange doesn't look too good

[EFerrari]

104. Elllsberg thinks it looks just fine.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/29/us_facing_global_diplomatic_crisis_following

[bos1]

123. that's gracious of him, but

he put his life on the line for civil disobedience, went to trial and faced serious prison time. Assange runs around the world hiding

[EFerrari]

124. Ellsberg was underground for a while as well.

In one of these interviews, he commented how they're doing to Julian what they once did to him.

Watch the interview if you can. Dan isn't only being gracious. He's very interested and supportive of Wikileaks and of course, of Brad Manning.

[bos1]

131. thx I'll watch it asap nt

[Taverner]

138. So you really buy this 'American Exceptionalism' shit?

Wow...here on DU no less

[bos1]

140. what are you talking about? your post has zero content nt

[DeSwiss]

72. K&R

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." ~Potter Stewart

"The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth." ~William O. Douglas

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation
that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." ~John F. Kennedy

"If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for
views you dislike. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." ~Noam Chomsky

"You can cage the singer but not the song." ~Harry Belafonte

[Ratty]

74. Your headline kind of changed my mind

I was a bit on the fence about Wikileaks. I recognize that there are necessary secrets governments must keep. I also thought that revealing all the private opinions of our diplomats was unnecessary and damaging. There were some things about Wikileaks I agreed with and some things I didn't.

But then you got me thinking about what our press has become, corporate-owned shills out for nothing more than the bottom line. And how miserably the press failed us, particularly during the buildup to the Iraq war. And I started thinking of Wikileaks as an inevitable evolution. As the old fourth wall dies or corporatizes itself into irrelevancy, this has what has arisen to take its place. Like the press even back in its heyday Wikileaks ain't perfect, but it's just as necessary and inevitable. I think Assange and Wikileaks changes everything and we're witnessing the history-making birth of something big. Like any birth it won't be pretty.

[iandhr]

81. no he is not

He is an accused rapist which every one this site would be calling him if his motivations were of right wing nature. NO ONE would be defending him with his very large ego looking for his 15 min of fame.



US diplomats need to be able to meet with foreign leaders without reading about it in the paper. Secret diplomacy often leads to breakthroughs. For years the US had secret negotiations with China for years before we established relations. what if that broke before it was ready to be made news. Israel had pragmatic relations with many Arab countries including the U.A.E. What ever progress was made in that area can we throw out the window.

Not everything the government does should be made public. Also lets remember that Mr. Assange did not obtain this information in a legal matter.

[MNBrewer]

99. He is "an accused rapist" because he is a hero

[Bodhi BloodWave]

125. A hero would travel to sweden and face the charges against him, not hiding away n/t

[MNBrewer]

130. There are no "charges"

they supposedly want to bring him in for questioning. How interesting that this red notice for his arrest was issued right after the latest batch of leaked documents. Coincidence? Hardly. This has smear campaign written all over it.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

132. quite the coincidence yes, but had they sent the notice next year

then those who support him would claim it was related to whatever info he had most recently released.

Meaning that no matter when the notice gets sent, those who consider him a hero would say the warrant is a smear campaign based on whatever was recently released. If he is as innocent as he claims, why is he hiding away rather then traveling to Sweden and answering the questions they have for him(the fact that he seems to try avoiding doing that counts against him in my eyes).

I will admit to hoping that he or atleast wikileaks if he is found guilty keeps up the hard work on releasing documents that actually reveal information about corruption, illegal activities or crimes.

[MNBrewer]

134. When the issue came up I immediately thought smear campaign

He has ruffled the feathers of some very powerful interests, and is being made to pay the price.

I don't blame him at all for trying to avoid being in hostile custody.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

135. US custody i would see as hostle, Swedish custody is a 4 star hotel stay compared n/t

[bluestate10]

110. Hear, Hear!!!! Great post, right on the money. nt.

[go west young man]

119. 15 minutes of fame? Have you any idea what Wikileaks does?

Have you bothered to visit the site and bear witness to their good work?

[Pholus]

83. I wasn't sure till Interpol said a guy with a couple rape charges is their "most wanted."

Then I realized what was at stake. I ain't questioning his background but I GREATLY question those who don't like him.

[laughingliberal]

86. Pretty clear, huh? nt

[librechik]

87. he has not been charged. He is wanted for questioning.

[bluestate10]

111. Maybe he should stop running and answer questions about his sexual behavior. nt.

[Xithras]

113. He has offered to answer their questions many times. The police are the uncooperative ones.

He already willingly answered their questions once, while he was in Sweden (he was only there to give a speech). He asked to leave the country, and they gave him permission to do so. He didn't "flee". He was there for a visit, was questioned, and was told that he was free to go...so he went home.

When the police asked to interview him again, he stated that he didn't want to fly back to Sweden AGAIN, just to answer some questions. He's offered to meet them anywhere in Britain, to visit and submit to questioning at the Swedish embassy, or to perform an interview by telephone or video teleconference. The only thing he has REFUSED to do is spend a ton of money to fly to another country JUST to answer some questions...especially when the head prosecutor has already slapped the local prosecutor down once while publicly stating that there was no grounds for a case against Assange.

[Pholus]

120. (Duplicate removed by author)

[Pholus]

121. I'm just saying. Europe must be REALLY crime-free if this puts a person on the most-wanted list.

Nope, just a lesson in how the world REALLY works. And how things never change, regardless of who you think is in power.

[laughingliberal]

84. K & R nt

[snappyturtle]

85. K&R I agree! Our foreign policy is done in our names and there

shouldn't be any problem making it public in time. I think the release of these documents will open, again, in time, many eyes. When will the arrogant in-charge people learn that the world is a small place and that they need to learn that whatever they say, behind closed doors or not, will come into the light?

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

88. A hero

Letting us little people know.

The only ones pissed are the politicians and banks.

We need to know!

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

89. Free Bradley

[RoccoR5955]

90. +1

[Howler]

93. I agree!!!!!!!

I celebrate Julian Assange and the spirit of what he does and at great risk to himself I might add.
This man is a HERO in EVERY sense of the word!

[seabeyond]

126. -1. nt

[shanti]

133. k&r!

what's in the dark will surely come to the light!

[Blue_Tires]

139. agreed

[RegieRocker]

143. Here Here!!!!