I am standing with Bernie Sanders!!! "We need a Tea Party Challenge from the Left"

[DimplesinMI]

That is what he said!!! That is what I believe. Can we draft a Feingold/Sanders ticket NOW for 2012?

"We need a Tea Party Like Challenge From the Left", says Senator Sanders. The time is now....what are we going to do Democrats? Wait for Obama to keep doing the song and dance with the GOP or make sure we hold the White House in 2012?

It is TIME to DECIDE!!!!

[mmonk]

1. On what is he saying this?

[Autumn]

If he is willing to lead the

Challenge from the Left, I'm there.

[socialist_n_TN]

90. I'd LOVE it if Bernie ran for President.............

whether as a Dem or as an Independent, I don't care anymore. No matter the label he would use, I'd support him because he speaks for me more than anybody else in politics today.

[rurallib]

2. I declared myself a Bernie Sanders democrat many months ago

Good luck getting democrats to really organize though.
Just watch the posts that follow.

[Oceansaway]

3. K&R...n/t

[elleng]

4. Fergit 'ticket,' waste of effort. Light fires.

[somone]

5. And without the misspellings!

[thunder rising]

Bring in Howard Dean and you have a party.

[laughingliberal]

43. Until yesterday, I'd have said yes to that. Now, he's come out for cutting SS and Medicare. nt

[Kalyke]

77. That's not what he said this morning on The Bill Press show.

:shrug:

[thunder rising]

89. Agreed. I'd need a link on that.

[glitch]

6. The Herbal Tea Party

Using the hippy definition of "herbal". :evilgrin:

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. Details please. n/t

[DimplesinMI]

14. Senate Sanders spoke on the Rachel Maddow program this evening

She was interviewing him in regards to Obama AGAIN saying he was going to work with Republicans on the tax cuts, while millions hope to just pay their bills for the holidays. Sanders also made the point, that the GOP is talking about adding a $700 Billion tax cut, while the nation carries a 13.7 trillion dollar deficit. Meanwhile, the unemployment extension, in the Senate only would cost $56 billion dollars that would be instantly put back into the economy.

Towards the end of the segment, Senator Sanders stated in part, that President Obama need to have a "Tea Party" like challenge from the left from progressives. Again, I totally agree with Senator Sanders. Look at the paragraph above or this below.

GOP $700 Billion Dollars in Tax Cuts (adding to a) $13.7 Trillion Dollar deficit, when balking $56 Billion dollars in unemployment extension, saying they must be paid for. The tax cuts, will NOT be PAID for in anyway. President Obama, meanwhile, actually is open to negotiating this crap with the GOP at the same time he calls himself a Democrat.

I see the light that Senator Sanders is talking about this evening. Is it clearer for you now?

[ProSense]

16. Sounds like you're misinterpreting Sanders' words. n/t

[laughingliberal]

44. Sounds like you wish it was a misinterpretation.

He was railing on Obama on a show I saw earlier for his capitulations.

[Smarmie Doofus]

23. Yes indeed. Sounds like I'll be on board.

We need to identify and rally around one or more national figures to mount said challenge.

Did it sound like the senator was up to this himself?

What's been missing so far is DEMs with a nat'l profile being willing to lock horns w. the Obama WH.

[bullwinkle428]

8. I would have posted this thread if you didn't beat me to the punch!

:toast:

Although, I'm not sure if he used the phrase, "challenge from the left". I recall it as a "progressive tea party that needs to hold Obama accountable for the interests of the American people", or something similar.

Much :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: for Bernie!!!

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[pa28]

13. That horror freak show known as the liberal left.

I know. Those fringe people willing to fight, stand up and sacrifice for movements like labor, equal rights and a social safety net.

The horror . . . the horror.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Since you aren't Fox News,

Please do not take my sentence and cut away where you simply feel like it......
as you're not entitled to do so.

I said....the horror freak show known as the Liberal Left with nothing to lose
making sure that none of us will have anything at all by the time they are done. <---That's a period there!

Perhaps you are one of those who although generally implies that Obama will hurt
millions of innocent Americans any day now, it is instead those expressing over the top
daily cynicism who really don't give a shit about anyone beyond being proven correct
in whatever it is they believe in, and if the ship has to sink with everyone on board,
they are perfectly fine with that.

[pa28]

20. Actually the whole sentence seems worse.

If you want to stand by that comment it's OK.

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

24. Yeah....if you still have something to lose, then I'm not talking about you.....

There are many on the Left who not only aren't Democrats,
but are also wanting to remake this country into their own political ideal.....
which won't happen....in fact, most likely the opposite will happen....
and it is to them that I say, happy huntin'! I'll be in the bleachers
watching the bullshit, and commenting on how the corporate media and the
teabaggers will be right there up close at every turn willing to help
as much as they can.

[pa28]

28. The bonfire of the principles.

I've already seen plenty of fear based action to detrimental effect in the last three years and I'm guessing I'll see more between now and April. I've got enough to lose but I'm not willing to sell out the ideals of the Democratic party in a misguided attempt to preserve what I have.

So we complete the circle and go back to the original point of the OP. Our party is desperately in need of a blood and/or ideals transfusion. Do you want to sit in the bleachers and mock the liberal horror show or do you want to define our purpose and fight?

[FrenchieCat]

30. I'll be fighting......

on the team that can win.....
and that will be the Barack Obama team.
but with the media, the GOP, the Teabaggers, the Libetarians, the Nader Socialists, the conservative Democrats and whomever else having their foot up Obama's ass every waking minute starting two years ago, whether we win or not, we shall see.
In the meantime, I'll be watching from afar and shaking my head at the delusion of those
that once upon a time were much more savvy in understanding the limitation that this system
brings with it.......unless they were really looking for a Liberal George Bush, in which case,
they supported Obama to begin with based on false information.

[highprincipleswork]

41. Lost Causes

“I guess this is just another lost cause, Mr. Paine. All you people don’t know about lost causes. Mr. Paine does. He said once they were the only causes worth fighting for, and he fought for them once, for the only reason any man ever fights for them: Because of one plain simple rule: Love thy neighbor. And in this world today, full of hatred, a man who knows that one rule has a great trust. You know that rule, Mr. Paine. And I loved you for it just as my father did, and you know that you fight for the lost causes harder than for any others. Yes, you even die for them, like a man we both know, Mr. Paine. You think I’m licked. You all think I’m licked. Well, I’m not licked, and I’m gonna stay right here and fight for this lost cause, even if this room gets filled with lies like these!”

Well, those are the words out of the Frank Capra movie 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington".

You may guess from my name here that I believe that high principles work. People rally around them. As Emerson said, "the human heart resounds to that iron string".

President Obama is way off base (I guess that's a pun somehow) in watering down anything that could be called a philosophy of the Democratic Party, at least as I understand it and for capitulating on any and all negotiations before the other side even states what they would be willing to do (other than destroying his presidency, that is). I don't think this would work in the boardroom and I don't think this works on the street. It doesn't resound well. It doesn't, either, feel at all like a winner.

I would love someone from the Left to come in and lead and shake things up. Heck, when the Tea Partiers can steal the Populist mantle from right under the noses of a Democratic administration, that is downright pathetic.

[laughingliberal]

46. I'm a Democrat but, yeah, I have nothing left to lose and if we continue down this right wing...

economic course, there's going to be a whole lot more people with nothing left to lose.

Good on you if you're secure enough to not be among us unwashed masses.

[DimplesinMI]

21. The worse thing for me Pa28

Is that I consider myself to be a moderate liberal Democrat, so one would think that I would agree with President Obama. BUT, heck no! He is a centralist Republican (at best) and just a plain Republican, at worst.

[DimplesinMI]

19. Frenchie-Cat, I respect your point BUT......

Today, President Obama took the opportunity to say that he would negotiate with the GOP about tax cuts for Million and Billionaires. Meanwhile 800,000 American Unemployed Job Seekers benefits will END at midnight. If nothing is done by December 31th, another 1.2 million job seekers will follow them.

He also decided (or maybe his speech-writer) to include three sentences about "supporting" the unemployment extension, at the END of his Press Conference. This is after 15 minutes or so of praising the GOP who have called Americans Job Seekers "Drug Addicts".

It did not get ANY better today for the Obama administration either. Monster.com hosted on their "Keep America Working" Facebook page about two weeks ago a call for the unemployed to have their questions answered by the White House. Today, Janet Ritz's of "The Environmentalist" received her answer to a question on the 99ers, Age Discrimination, the Mortgage Crisis and how it is impacting the unemployed.

To say that Austin Goolsbee provided SPIN to the TENTH degree and never answered Ms. Ritz's question, would be an understatement.

Sorry Frenchie-Cat, but President Obama has done this to himself. We have been BEGGING for an backbone from the guy for months. He decides to play softball some more with the GOP. Too many people are suffering and tired.

It is time for him to go!

[FrenchieCat]

22. You are attracting them like flies!

good work. :applause:

If it wasn't this, it would be something else,
and if it turns out not to be this, then it will be the next thing....
I already know the MO.

But like I said, y'all should go for it.

I'll be sitting in the bleachers.....
but when the shit gets even more fucked up
than it ever was due to this battle cry....
just don't point the finger at anyone other than yourselves....
because you are asking for it....and when you get it,
understand that you made a difference, or could have.

[DimplesinMI]

25. What exactly do you suggest we do?

Continue to support a President that does not stand down for ANY of the progressive, liberal, centralist or even moderate causes that the Democratic party stands for?

Hell, even Bill Clinton (my favorite President, by the way) could manage to stand for something. Yes, NAFTA was horrible but he fought tooth and nail for SCHIP that give millions of children of lower middle class family health and dental (YES EVEN DENTAL) insurance today.

He would call out the GOP on many occasions, in fact, he did not have ONE PROBLEM doing it.

Now, I believe if Bill Clinton would have laid down and said like President Obama probably would have (by his actions of the last two years) "Let us negotiate this impeachment thing you all want to tie me down with", he would have been HISTORY in 1996. No second term for him.

Americans like winners and if you cannot win, they RESPECT when you put up ONE HELLVA FIGHT TRYING. Obama REFUSES TO DO EITHER!! He just lay down with his hind legs in the air, like a animal stating "I give up....do whatever you want".

If he cannot manage to fight for "The change he was suppose to believe in", why should we continue to fight for him?

[FrenchieCat]

31. Obama doesnt have "hind legs"........

and is not an animal.

I'm done talking to you.
You sound like your civility isn't present currently.

[Enthusiast]

65. Great way to mischaracterize the post. nt

[Forkboy]

83. "You sound like your civility isn't present currently."

The irony.

[laughingliberal]

47. Her suggestion is the same as always. Sit in the bleachers and clap for Obama no matter what...

horrible fucking policy he gives in to the GOP on today. Tax cuts for the wealthy while we're hyping a deficit crisis in order to force people to work til they're 69? Why certainly. If Obama's for it, it's all good.

[Enthusiast]

64. I share your sentiments, DimplesinMI.

And welcome to DU.

[Hannah Bell]

45. oh, bullshit. stale, stinky bullshit at that.

[socialist_n_TN]

91. If it gets much more fucked up.........

there will be a LOT of people on the Left looking at "2nd Amendment remedies". BTW, that's just an observation, not advocacy.

There's only so far you can compromise before it kills you. When the choice is between dying fast (Teabaggers) or dying slow (Obama's "compromise" which is just letting the Republicans have their way) there's not much choice. Slow or fast, dead is dead. I'm old anyway, so I'll go out fighting.

[mmonk]

26. Interesting thought process you have.

Fighting for progressive ideals is helping the tea party and capitulating to the tea party is helping progressive ideals?

[FrenchieCat]

32. I don't see most here fighting for anything.....

they just do a lot of talking....which last I checked
isn't fighting......it's bloviating!

[laughingliberal]

48. Well, since you don't live with any of us, I guess you're really not in a position to know what...

we do. Since some of us are disabled, it might be nice if we saw some of our younger, healthier party members talking to their hero about people who depend on their SS and can't work until they're 69 instead of telling us the shit we're having to eat would taste worse if a Republican was feeding it to us.

[Lorien]

72. Look in the mirror. We have boots on the ground taking action while you're writing

poetry about Obama's "awesomeness". We're working for CHANGE while you are celebrating the status quo.

[Forkboy]

84. Says the one with a gazillion posts on DU.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

10. I liked what Willie said, "a teapot party that leans to the left".

[Enthusiast]

66. Me too.

Maybe Willy could be a player in this new challenge from the left. I think we would find many allies.

[33Greeper]

11. Amen!

I'm with Bernie Sanders too!

[GoddessOfGuinness]

12. I was thinking the same thing today

Good for Bernie!

[Raine]

15. GOOD, I'm really in favor of this! nt

:thumbsup:

[pnorman]

17. I'm FULLY with you on that!

But all here please recall that Ralph Nader said essentially the same thing in 2000!

("THERE'S NOT A DIME'S WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN.....")

[Jim Lane]

40. You're giving the idiot Nader far too much credit.

Note that the Tea Party has run its candidates in Republican primaries. That means that, for the most part, they don't get into three-way races involving a Democrat, an establishment Republican, and a Tea Partier, in which the Dem could win with a plurality in a right-leaning district. (I say "for the most part" because Murkowski foiled their plans, but that worked for her only because Alaska is so red that the Dem finished third.)

Consider New Hampshire. The Tea Party candidate, Ovide Lamontagne, lost in the Republican primary. The Tea Partiers were able to register their views by voting for him, and have a shot at nominating him, but still vote for the establishment Republican (Kelly Ayotte) in the general election, giving her the win over the Democrat, Paul Hodes. The Naderite approach would have been for Lamontagne to run in the general election, charging that there was no difference between Ayotte and Hodes. That way, Hodes's 37% of the vote might have been enough for the win.

None of the Nader supporters have ever given a reasonable explanation for why Nader couldn't have run in the Democratic primaries in 2000. If he had, there are lots of us who would've voted for him.

[pnorman]

42. "NOT A DIME'S WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN....."

n/t

[haikugal]

62. delete

[haikugal]

63. You are so right (Jim Lane)

in your analysis. We need clear thinkers. Thanks for your clear plan of action (in my view). I think it would work!! I don't think Nader is an idiot but he clearly didn't have a winning strategy for the left.

[Jack Sprat]

27. I am all in. It's past time.

In doing so, we can send a strong message to the ones who betrayed us. The message will impact the party adversely in the short term, but in the long term it will insure that the core principles of the Democratic Party are no longer undermined for political expediency. And, we may need a new Teaparty Left of Labor Democrats for the common people. It seems obvious that the New Democrats are plutocratic and their business is international, rather than American.

[DimplesinMI]

29. Anybody got a contact with George Soros?

He has the money to finance this. We would need to gain respect in this fight for America's Middle and Lower Class?

[laughingliberal]

50. Media Matters just got a million from him. Maybe they'd be willing to help. nt

[pa28]

33. Americans would rather die than classify themselves as "liberal".

Yet when you poll them on individual issues like tax, social safety net, healthcare, education, environment (the list goes on) they are, in fact, liberal.

Liberal issues are mainstream issues yet we fear our own beliefs. Unfortunately independent voters despise a soft set of values even more than a tarnished ideological tag. We saw the cost of our squishy principle set last month and we'll have even greater losses unless we can first decide who we are and then identify ourselves in the mind of the voting public.

I'd definitely support a candidate who could speak up for what we believe. Alan Grayson? Sure he lost his own district but the man takes a piece of real estate and stands on it. That is what we need right now. Sure, we'd likely lose on election day because we've ceded all of our earned ground to the Republicans (we'd likely lose anyway) but at least it would be the start of rebuilding a party that actually stood for something.

[Enthusiast]

67. Plus one....nt

[Odin2005]

34. K&R

[unkachuck]

35. "We need a Tea Party Like Challenge From the Left"

....Amen brother Sanders, Amen....

[Scurrilous]

39. Apparently Dimples made that part up.

:o

[DimplesinMI]

49. Read up!

The point is I agree with Bernie!

[madrchsod]

36. you mean organized progressives?

ya that would be great....

feingold-sanders would be an interesting ticket

[Scurrilous]

37. Revolution Now!!1!

What?

[ProSense]

38. Here's what Bernie Sanders actually said

Video


Transcript:

Rachel Maddow: do you feel like you are alone in making that case you made today in that impassioned speech? do you feel like you have allies in washington in the senate?

Bernie Sanders: i have allies but not a lot. our real allies are with the american people who are sick and tired of hearing republicans talking about the deficit at the same time as they want to give $700 billion in tax breaks to people who don't need it and rachel, all of this takes place at a time when the top 1% have seen a huge increase in their income and now earn more money than the bottom 50%. this makes sense to nobody except my friends in the republican party on the senate.

Rachel Maddow: do you feel, though, in making that case democrats agree with you by in large on this as a matter of policy? but we're not hearing very many people make as sharp an argument about it, certainly as an impassioned an argument about it as you are. a lot of the biggest voices, the most powerful voices on the democratic side have been talking from the very beginning about compromise and sort of half measures on this.

Bernie Sanders: well, you know, i fear that you're right, rachel. and i think the point you made a moment ago in your production about, you know, the president constantly compromising is a sad but true point. look, what these republicans want is very clear. it's not just the tax breaks today. what they want to do, really, and i don't want to get people nervous, but they really do want to move this country back into the 1920s. they want to privatize and eliminate social security. they are not staying up nights worrying about what happens when elderly people become sick and have no place to go. they want to cut back on pell grants. they certainly want to eliminate the authority of the epa so that the coal companies, oil companies can do whatever they want. the republicans have an agenda. they're pretty open and honest about it. they've rallied their troops. what the president and the democratic leadership and all of us have got to do is rally our troops. we need a tea party of progressives who are going to demand the democratic leadership and the president fight for the middle class and for working families.

Rachel Maddow: what's going to happen with unemployment benefits? in this short session in the senate? as you know, unemployment benefits expire for millions of americans at midnight tonight because of the senate not taking action today. do you have any hope that those will be extended in this session?

Bernie Sanders: i certainly hope so. look, we are suffering through, as everybody knows, a horrendous recession. one of the key features of this is long-term unemployment. in vermont all over this country, you have people who can't find work, who have no income at all and to leave those people hanging out there with nothing is not only immoral, it's bad economics. if you provide extended unemployment to people who need it they're going to spend that money, they're going to stimulate the economy. but we have got to address that issue. i want you, just to get back to this point. the republicans want to give for the billionaires in this country, people like rupert murdoch, a million a dollars a year in tax breaks, yet they are balking, resisting providing unemployment compensation for people who have no jobs. i think, you know, that is just horrendo horrendous.

Rachel Maddow: senator, when i hear the president come out of that meeting with republicans today and say he thinks republicans are approaching this with a spirit of trying to work together, as you noted from my intro, it strikes me as detached from the reality where republicans admit they are. is it possible the white house is gaming this out in a way we cannot see, that i'm missing something, that there's a broader strategy here that doesn't work at face value?

Bernie Sanders: well you know, rachel, a couple of years ago i might have suggested that, yeah, maybe we're missing something. maybe the president is on to something. look, the bottom line is, everybody wants, you know, the democrats, the republicans, the president to work together. people don't want to see the fractious contentiousness that we're having right now. but the president has got to have learned something in the last two years. what you have just shown right on your tv there is these guys are very clear. they want to destroy the obama presidency. their job is to represent millionaires and billionaires. they really do want to privatize social security. they really do not want young people to be able to get help in order to go to college. at some point you have to learn that lesson. they do not want to work with you. and the alternative approach rather than keep going back with a cup in your hand is to rally the american people, the vast majority of whom support you. most people think it is absurd to give tax breaks to billionaires when you have a $13 trillion national debt. most people think it is appropriate and moral and right to make sure people who are unemployed have money come in so their families do not become desperate. we have the ideas that the american people agree with, we need the president and the leadership to start rallying those people and start putting the republicans on the defensive.

Rachel Maddow: independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. thank you for your time tonight, sir.

Bernie Sanders: good to be with you.

[DimplesinMI]

51. And so.........

"We need a tea party of progressives who are going to demand the democratic leadership and the president fight for the middle class and for working families."

This is NOT what President Obama is doing in the least. Sorry if your feelings are hurt but it is time for him to go!

[muriel_volestrangler]

55. Your 'belief' in the OP has been shown to be wrong.

Your 'challenge' quote was nothing of the sort.

Your thread has failed.

[ProSense]

70. So the OP is a distortion.

Get it?

[laughingliberal]

52. " we need a tea party of progressives who are going to demand the democratic leadership and the

president fight for the middle class and for working families."

Yes. Demand they fight for us.

Not ask, "Pretty please Mr.Awesome Obama, President, Sir, if it's OK with the Republicans, would you maybe, consider fighting for us, if it's politically expedient and doesn't get your powder wet or upset Sarah Palin when you find time, pretty please?"

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. Sanders never mentioned a challenge. The context is clear, and you're leaving it out on purpose:

The preceding sentence was:

"what the president and the democratic leadership and all of us have got to do is rally our troops." You can see that, can't you? You don't have a blind spot on that particular bit of the computer screen? He was saying Obama, and other Democratic leaders, and all people, have to get the enthusiasm back into the left half of American politics.

Bernie Sanders never said anything about a 'challenge'. This whole thread is misleading.

[DimplesinMI]

56. To Those that continue to believe in this President.........

You do what you must. Meanwhile, I will CONTINUE to support the 30 Million unemployed, underemployed and other job seekers that received three sentences from your President yesterday afternoon. Yes, just three sentences while he talked for 15 minutes about extending Tax Cuts to Billionaires and Millionaires. You know, all in the art of compromise, you know.

Meanwhile, back in reality, a family is wondering how will they keep their HEAT and ELECTRIC on this winter, now that they have lost the $296 dollars a week of unemployment benefits. Another job seeker is wondering how many bottles they can gather to take to the store, to fill the gasoline for interviews scheduled during this month. A fifty year old is wondering how much they can cut the food bill for this month and if they can eat Christmas dinner at the kids house, since they will not be able to afford for the kids to come over to their home, with the lost of the supplemental unemployment income, at all.

Worst yet...somewhere in America, a young man is wondering if he should end it all....because as hard as he try, a job is impossible to come by, and he cannot take care of himself or his young family.

I do not give a crap if the words were not exact. The TEXT of the discussion was totally correct. President Obama does not care about the American middle class, workers or poor if he can FIX his mouth to talk about FREAKING TAX CUTS when MILLIONS are suffering across America and lost the ONLY income to keep them afloat, at 12:01 am on December 1st.

IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO GO!!! This THREAD STANDS WERE IT IS!

$700 TRILLION to the 13.7 TRILLION deficit for the rich is just fine with this President but $56 trillion to the deficit to keep people from falling into despair is worth THREE SENTENCES!!

Whatever....he lost my vote. Where is the primary challenger because I am READY to CAMPAIGN HARD for him or her.

[muriel_volestrangler]

57. If you don't give a crap about reality, you'll never achieve anything

And the attitude that an unknown person is bound to be better than Obama is naive in the extreme.

If you 'stand with Bernie Sanders', then you should go back and listen to him, not put words in his mouth.

Oh, and Oabma's your president, not mine. I'm in another country.

[DimplesinMI]

59. Well, if you are "in another country"

Why are you commenting at all on this thread? Last time I checked, President Obama was a American elected President and Senator Sanders was elected by Americans in the state of Vermont.

Also, as an AMERICAN that voted for President Obama, I and a growing number of many other AMERICANS have decided that he needs to be challenged by other Democrats, that will stand up for the AMERICAN WORKER and AMERICANS MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASSES.

As for what should come out of MY MOUTH....as a AMERICAN my constitution gives ME the RIGHT to FREE SPEECH and with this, I stand by my thread.

Also, maybe you should learn how to spell....its' Barack Obama, not Oabma. What the heck is Oamba? :shrug:

[muriel_volestrangler]

60. It's a typo - you know, where you put 2 characters in the wrong order

A bit like you just typed "its'" when you obviously meant "it's".

Why am I commenting on this thread? Because on this thread I see Americans rushing to throw away the chance to elect a Democratic president in 2012, and I don't want you to do that just because you feel Obama isn't the perfect president. If a suitable primary candidate appears who can also win the general election, then fine, vote and work for them. But it is by no means a case of "anyone is better than Obama for 2012". You've got a year before primaries will start, but you're already misrepresenting a respected Senator in your enthusiasm for getting a challenger to Obama.

Any challenger needs to have support from the left (eg Sanders, so claiming he said something which he didn't is not a good way to go about it), and from the general voters. Frankly, I don't think Feingold will get the latter (after all, he just lost his Senate seat), and the prominent Democrats who might get good support in the general election (Pelosi? Clinton?) seem very unlikely to challenge Obama. Perhaps Dean might challenge and get general support; but I can't tell how much popular support (as opposed to support on DU and other left sites) he has.

[DimplesinMI]

58. K/R.....Your reply!!!

In my opinion, begging is not good enough for this President. The unemployed, particularly the 99ers (unemployed job seekers who exhausted 73-99 weeks of benefits) have been begging this President to listen to them for MONTHS. He cannot even state the word 99ers out of his mouth.

Screw begging him! It is time to get rid of him and get a real Democrat that support the causes of the American Worker!

[Lorien]

71. We have been "demanding" all along and we are told to STFU in response

So it's time to stop believing that the DLC/ Dem "leadership" gives a fuck and try something else. If they are going to reject traditional Democratic positions then it's time to find another group who supports progressive/ liberal ideals 100%.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

82. Don't bring factual videos and transcripts in here.

It hurts people's feelings. :cry: :thumbsup:

[laughingliberal]

53. K & R for Bernie Sanders-one of few who cares more about us than if his fucking powder

is dry.

[BurtWorm]

61. I hope by that he doesn't mean we need a left wing loudmouth ignoramus puritans

I'm getting really suck if mobs.

[Enthusiast]

68. K&R....nt

[pampango]

69. Yep. Tea party primaries "moderate" repubs, then works and votes for the repub winner no matter what

Tea partiers hate "moderate" repubs (so they primary them), but they hate Democrats even more (so they support the repub winner regardless). It has effectively pulled the repub party even further to the right, by working within the party.

A tea party of the left would primary "moderate" (Blue Dog) Democrats, then work and vote for the Democratic winner no matter what. If it were as successful as the "real" tea party it would pull the Democratic party to the left.

One question would be whether a left tea party would rally around Democratic primary winners when their candidates didn't win in some instances or go third party or "sit this one out". That could be a big difference in whether a left tea party would be as effective in influencing Democratic party policies as the "real" tea party is with the repub party.

[randr]

73. Could this be what we need?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9665197

[ProfessionalLeftist]

74. http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/ n/t

[kctim]

75. I've decided

Barring something really terrible, President Obama gets my vote in 2012. A Feingold/Sanders ticket would not.

[IRemember]

78. Not ashamed of being a pro-business democrat?

nt

[kctim]

79. Not at all

Not ashamed of being a pro individual rights and freedoms Democrat either.

[IRemember]

81. I'm glad you're happy with your corporate chains.

Try not to pollute this place with your views.

[kctim]

92. Chains? Thats funny.

Sorry to see you consider our rights and freedoms as pollution, but I won't stay silent about them just to make those who fear them feel better.
So, you might as well ignore me now, especially if you can't debate against them with facts.

[BrklynLiberal]

76. I would vote for that ticket..

[Ganja Ninja]

80. K & R

[1776Forever]

85. I would choose Gov. Howard Dean & either of the other two for VP. n/t

[Shrader]

86. Agreed. n/t

[Individualist]

87. K&R!

[Curmudgeoness]

88. Just make sure that you check the spelling on your signs.

The last thing I want is to have to endure a leftist version of the insanity. They make themselves look like fruitcakes (no offense to fruitcakes) and I don't want to make a laughing stock out of our stands.