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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:55 PM
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Poll question: Grade Obama on the economy
How has he handled jobs, the banks, the dollar, the trade deficit, the stimulus plan, and so forth? :shrug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 09:57 PM
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1. Incomplete
eom
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:04 PM
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4. D
Like the logo...

Actually, I gave him a D because he says that he didn't get that Jobs were imnportant until we got beat in the midterms.

Really?

We had double digit unemployment, you said it wouldn't go above 9.5, and then you didn't think it was a big issue? Why?

Also, because he chose Wall Street insiders as his top economic advisors.

Should be a fail, but there's still another tw years or so till the term is out. benefit of the doubt...
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:05 PM
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5. That's actually completely and entirely false.
He said that he should have focused MORE on Jobs before (what else was he going to say???). He has talked about the importance of jobs hundreds of times over the past 2 years.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:41 PM
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8. Note that the question isn't "how many times has he talked about jobs?"
:P
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:33 PM
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15. Hey
He got graded...live with it. Whatcha gonna do, ask for a curve?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:53 AM
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24. "He has talked about the importance of jobs"...
talk is cheap, no matter how good you are at it.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:25 AM
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32. Talk is cheap, the cheapest talk of all is the talk of a politician.
Political talk started out cheap, and has been drastically marked down since.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:44 PM
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17. Huh?
Who are you talking to?

:shrug:
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:01 PM
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2. If you are young and just out high school or college, this is a disastrous economy.
F-

If you're gentry, A+
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:03 PM
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3. I will give him a 'B' because I believe that he has tried.
Interest rates are near 0%. He passed a stimulus package.


What other powers do you think the President has to control the health of the economy considering our Congress?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:25 PM
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7. Closing the Tax Loop Hole that Out Sources Jobs
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:50 PM
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12. Ask Rangel about that
Bills regarding taxation start is his committee.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:43 PM
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9. We had a Democratic Congress . . .
I suppose the argument is that it wasn't COMPLETELY Democratic, so they couldn't get anything done. Damn that two-party system . . .
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:49 PM
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11. You're right. What can President Obama accomplish with Democrats in control of Congress?

I can't believe you actually wrote:

"What other powers do you think the President has to control the health of the economy considering our Congress?"

Democrats have a big majority in both the House and Senate!

What more do you want or need?

100 Democratic Senators and 435 Democrats in the House?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:51 PM
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13. Obviously it wasn't enough with Republican obstruction. nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:18 PM
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14. They had the power to end Republican obtructionism by either forcing ....

actual Senate floor filibusters (Senator Reid forced one such Republican filibuster which ended in less than 24 hours) or could have stopped them dead in their tracks by using the Constitutional Option.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:40 PM
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16. I appreciate your enthusiasm for trying to find solutions to the Senate's issues, but...
I doubt that the Nuclear Option would have passed a majority vote or even been validated by the Parliamentarian.

And as far as reading from the phone book, I don't know if that would have worked on every bill before the Senate. It is hard to herd cats.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:13 AM
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30. The Senate is not required to follow the advice of the Senate Parliamentarian.

It's an advisory role.

"The Parliamentarian of the United States Senate is the official advisor to the United States Senate on the interpretation of Standing Rules of the United States Senate and parliamentary procedure.

As the Presiding Officer of the Senate may not be fully aware of the parliamentary situation currently facing the Senate, staff from the Senate Parliamentarian's office sit on the Senate dais to advise the Presiding Officer on how to respond to inquiries and motions from Senators. The role of the parliamentary staff is strictly advisory; the Presiding Officer is in no way required to follow their advice, though they almost always do so."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentarian_of_the_United_States_Senate


And you don't need a majority vote to force real Republican filibusters and end "two-track" Senate proceedings which permit Republicans to engage in "procedural filibusters" while the Senate debates other legislation not related to the bogus filibuster.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:57 AM
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25. yet the republicans...
who never had a filibuster or veto-proof majorities, could pass any goddamn thing they wanted from 2002-2006. Sounds like one party doesn't know how to play hardball.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:23 AM
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28. I am a member of no organized political party -
I am a Democrat.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 06:23 AM
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29. .
:thumbsup:
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:07 AM
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19. And how many of these Democrats
Were Blue Dogs?

They were the opposition far more than even the GOP
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:17 PM
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6. D- I give him a little slack on
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 10:20 PM by Autumn
the jobs, because the stimulus did save some jobs. The bank bail outs really were stupid. The whole way he handled them. That's it on the economy .
The wars, appointing the cat food commission, his unholy quest for bipartisanship with the republicans and several other things. It's just been sloppy. That's the best I can do. :shrug:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 10:45 PM
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10. His only job was to create jobs. Instead, he went for rebuilding Wall Street.
He signed on for more wars. He signed on for Bush era tax deals.

The GOP has led him down the primrose path, and he's followed them.

If he had made JOBS his focus the past two years, Boner wouldn't be the speaker in January.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 11:46 PM
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18. I keep hearing this "86% of liberal dems" nonsense. I guess there aren't any "liberal dems" on DU.
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 11:47 PM by Edweird
Funny that. Apparently we are 'moderate centrists' (whatever THAT is supposed to mean) and don't even know it. Or, maybe the people pushing that "86%" line are full of shit.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:23 AM
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21. Somehow some good things have taken place...
but the economy still sucks(depression level for most of us), we need a jobs program for all that need a job to replace all the offshoring factory loss that continues to this day. Bill Clinton got one thing right: "It's the economy stupid!"

D-

(Liberal Dem)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:58 AM
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35. I decided that 86% must all live back East
because I sure don't meet any of them.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:19 AM
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20. yep....right!



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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:57 AM
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26. i think that's why the party *chose* the "black guy" as their nominee.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:33 AM
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34. Who demanded that we 'look forward and turn the page'?
Every single person I know who voted for Obama wanted to see some accountability brought to the former administration, yet is was Obama himself who ranted on and on saying that to look for justice is just to seek revenge and all manner of hot air. If Obama intended to protect Bush/Cheney, he needed to do more of a cover up, because there is blame to be placed, and at this point, the President has basically demanded that all the blame go to him. He refuses to put the blame where it belongs, where we all know it belongs.
Obama seems to be the only Democrat who refuses to hold Bush/Cheney accountable, although he never ceases to spew about religious morality when he wants to pick at GLBT rights.
DaVinci said "He who refuses to punish evil commands it to occur." I agree with Leonardo.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:23 AM
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22. I've gone from a D several months ago to a B
Disaster was averted and the recovery looks to be on more solid footing every day. Obama has been a nice steady hand.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:35 AM
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23. I'm sliding the other way
I thought he did what he had to do early on in his presidency to stabilize the economy. Right now he appears to be doing things he doesn't have to do and won't help the economy at all and might likely hurt it. I don't care if Republicans want it and the public vote for it last month. Tax cuts for the rich and down sizing the federal employment are a bad step.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:08 AM
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27. He's not downsized the government......as a wage Freeze doesn't downside anything.....
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 02:08 AM by FrenchieCat
as most folks who actually work in the private sector will tell you.......as most of them haven't received a raise in hella long.

As an accountant, some of my clients work for the government, and let me tell you, their job is much more secure than most.

In addition, the tax cut for the rich was passed by another President, not this one,
and thus far Obama's not given them another.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:07 AM
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39. Hence sliding not sled :)
The future Obama economic decisions are still to be determined. But I got a pay freeze and let me tell you a non-adjusted pay scale certainly is a cut to your ability to spend. So it's a bad first step says me and leading liberal economists.
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Trey9007 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:40 PM
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40. I like Obama, but............
if he extends these tax cuts, it will be the death of his presidency. He campaigned on the fact that these tax cuts were a major reason for our fiscal troubles. If he caves on this issue, he's dead. He probably wont, and probably shouldn't, make it out of the 2012 primary. He shou really think twice about caving on this.

Theres very little wiggle room here for compromise. I could maybe see allowing the 250k-500k to keep their tax cuts, but thats about it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:17 AM
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31. Given the opportunity given the administration and the Party in 2008,
my grade is an F.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:27 AM
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33. I gave a "C" because it transfers on your transcript...
We will need this 'C' to transfer to another term in order to make greater progress!
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Trey9007 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:59 AM
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36. I gave him a B....
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 10:02 AM by Trey9007
When you compare the economy to what is was 1/21/2009, the current condition of our economy is quite incredible. For those who give him a poor grade on the economy, i would like to know a few things.

1. How much better could the economy look?

2. Can you point to any President's response to past economic crisis that landed better results?

Theres no place in history that shows a return to full employment, in 2,3 or even 4 years after a deep recession.


The DOW has gained about 4,000 points, under Obama. The rate of job losses came to a trickle, we have even had some job growth, in the past 8 months or so. GDP has improved, and Detroit is on the upswing as`well. At this point in the game, I'M not sure what more one could ask for. Short of waiving a magic wand, and making everything perfect right away, theres not much more we could ask for, from this POTUS's economic policies.

I gave him a B, because I think EFCA should have been passed. IMO, unions were vital to the creation of the middle class, and they must be allowed to play a role in the rebuilding of the middle class.

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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:02 AM
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38. +1
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:00 AM
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37. incomplete --- averaging an F at this juncture, if he makes an A for the next 2 years
he can bring his average up to a C ........................

Don't hold your breath.
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