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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:03 PM Original message |
For those that do not approve of Obama's job performance |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. It wouldn't be difficult to be to the left of the Obama administration |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. My question is not what you think of Obama's ideology. My question is why in the world do you think |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Oh. I don't think a Democrat, or a Republican, will occupy the office as a Leftist |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. But why in the world do you think someone who isn't a Democrat or a Republican |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. The people will eventually form a movement |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. What makes you think the "vacuum" is of non-negligable size? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Well, you've already got 50% of eligible voters likely looking for a movement |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Not really. There have been many times in history where people have been pissed at incumbents |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. "...when the economy turns around" But it's not going to this time |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Oh, it'll turn around. It just might take awhile, and coincidentally happen under a Republican. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. We are on the road to a revolt. An armed revolt. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. If we are (and don't worry, we aren't), why do you think that it won't be a RIGHT armed revolt? n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. FFS! Why would right ideology need to 'revolt?' It already prevails! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Not to them. They were just as angry about Bush as you are about Obama. n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I'm not 'angry about Obama.' I think he's an outstanding CEO for the Democrats |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Well in that case, Republicans are much MORE angry about Bush than you are about Obama. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. I didn't say a 'revolution,' I said a movement |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. You did in post 37, which is what I was responding to. n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Yes, I said the Predator Class is already leading a revolution against us |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Oh but we are my dear but few will see it for now. Too scary for you. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Even assuming for the sake of argument that there will be a revolt, why do you think it will move |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
262. It won't matter whether it moves left or right. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
244. I see it coming from the right as well - which is why it worries me so. |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
264. Are you really asking that question or do you have an answer in mind? |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Because it has happened before. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Why do you think just because something happened before that it will happen again? |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
95. It won't matter if a revolution |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. How does that answer the question? How does that produce a President to the left of Obama? n/t |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. I'm not trying to answer your question. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Oh, I'm shaking in my boots... |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #117 |
126. I think you doth protest to much |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
116. Yes. nt. |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #116 |
130. "Management reserves the right to move the goal posts even AFTER it may appear to |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Not only a person who occupies the office.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Indeed. That is one of my points (you can't get a more legislatively progressive president than |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
78. Of course you can. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. You don't think 9/11 had ANYTHING to do with Bush getting re-elected? |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
105. Try reading and engaging. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Your evidence is that Bush got Democrats to cave |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
134. I didn't make false statements. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #134 |
141. Actually you did make false statements. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
140. Yes, it would be difficult if you're talking about actually passing a bill in Congress. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
243. Eisenhower for example was left of Obama - he EXPANDED rather than CUT social security. nt |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kennedy |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. ... who cut marginal tax rates on the rich significantly. Though I'm talking about the future. n/t |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
135. who cut marginal tax rates on the rich significantly |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #135 |
164. So you admit it. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. so his negotiating with himself and compromising that looks like caving |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. +1000 |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
83. What kind of a 'leader' says "Make me do it" ? |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #83 |
239. "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #83 |
241. Why take that so literally? |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #241 |
242. +10000000. Exactly. I've been curious about this myself. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #241 |
248. I am not expecting too much to want a president to competently represent me. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #248 |
274. So what do you think of the guy that said: "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."? |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
272. I wonder--would you have declared FDR's Presidency "over" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. If we never get a president to the left of Obama again |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Says you. But my question is why you think there is a chance it will actually happen. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. Slightly off topic: How does one provide evidence that something "will actually happen"? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
263. I think you have to channel Sister Palin |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. It's wishful thinking |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
12. Personally I'm bored with this argument. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Nixon was left of Obama |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Word. Never thought I'd be complimenting that |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Nixon was in the past. My question is about the future. n/t |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Yes, and the best model for |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. No, not really. In the past we always won the South by landslides. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. things always change |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. If you told any American historian or political scientist what you just told me |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
113. I never said "except when it isn't." |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. I wasn't quoting you. I was mocking your "past => future" argument. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #120 |
137. You're so clever. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. The future is my utmost concern. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. OK, but that still doesn't answer why you think we will ever have a President who is to the left of |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Unless we are to live out the rest of our lives under Republican ideology |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Saying "it will be really bad if it doesn't happen" does not provide a shred of evidence that it |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. Simply put, we have before so there exists a possibility we can again. |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. The next president of the US will be chosen by worldwide corporations, in unison. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Not since Democrats lost the South (and other areas). So the question is for the future. n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. Why? Because the alternative is death. Our path is far from sustainable. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. But that of course isn't an answer to my question. You not liking the alternative |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
98. Necessity is the mother of invention. We will grow, change, or die. That is life. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. As I said, Republicans say exactly the same thing. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
127. What I want is beside the point and a distraction to legitimize your solid state model of existence |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. I actually don't like it, so things surely won't stay the same because I like it. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #133 |
186. It takes but a single candle to hold back the darkness |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #186 |
190. "Why expend energy on the defense of insanity" |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #190 |
209. I'm not discussing opinion or hypothetical. The majority policies have failed. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:12 AM Response to Reply #209 |
215. "then I can't work with that" |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
231. We've been at the brink before, then FDR came to power. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. Settling for less - the new Democratic Party ideal |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. Why do you think we will ever get a President to the left of Obama? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. Actually, the vast majority of liberal Democrats approve of Obama's job performance, so perhaps you |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Those who dont follow politics closely are still enthralled with his image |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Very, very few people follow politics intently. Even among voters, the vast majority don't. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. How do you know that |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Sure. For example, there are lots of people here that oppose Obama |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. I never said I thought it was representative. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #109 |
118. Do you believe less than 14% of people on this board do not approve of Obama? n/t |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. I have no idea. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. Fine. I will restrict the population I am referring to to those who post at least 10 times a month. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. I don't pretend to have statistical evidence I don't have. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. If I were to tell you that the percentage of Apples that are neon blue was small, |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. Because Candidate Obama's wildly successful campaign of 'hope and change' |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
26. We have had Presidents to the left of President Obama, so I don't see why another one would be so |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. In all fairness to Obama, a 'left' Prez couldn't represent the Democratic party |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
85. Nixon was left of Obama! |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. EVERY republican president before Reagan was LEFT of Obama... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. So? The Republican party (and Independents) have moved far to the right since then. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
29. ???????????? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. We haven't had a Democrat to the left of Obama since we lost the South. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. As centrist as he was, Clinton did raise taxes on the rich. Obama won't even commit to that and he.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Clinton did that in a good economy (where Congress was agreeable to it). |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. I don't agree with a lot of what Clinton did but he did raise taxes on the rich & the economy... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. "With Obama we're getting cuts to our social safety net" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. He's not through cutting the safety net |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. You may laugh, but you are in a tiny minority of Democrats. Most approve of HCR. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. where is Obama to the left of Bill Clinton? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. He passed the biggest expansion of the social safety net since LBJ |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. yes, it's wonderful that we have gotten everyone health |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #96 |
119. Your argument is that the bill wasn't as good as X. That is not logically an argument that it wasn't |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. So if you think a liberal Democrat can never be elected President what do you think should be done? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Why do you think there is something to be done that can remedy the situation? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. because if I believed that I would have no choice but to blow my |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. But that isn't evidence that it will happen. That is just evidence that you won't like it if it |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. sea changes do happen in politics |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. The election of 2008 from a purely electoral perspective was a huge sea change. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
100. weak argument |
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larkrake (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. Corporations will not allow a left in office |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
46. Whether it will happen or not, it does not mean I have to applaud or approve of right wing policy. |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. We are several generations behind Central America |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Neocolonialism is coming home. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Other countries have different governmental systems. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. No worries. After a decade of IMF style austerity, people will be ready for change. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Even if a majority is ready for change, that isn't even close to enough to enact more progressive |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. In 2008, people hadn't been through a decade of the 'new normal.' |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. No, I'm not acting as if the country will be basically the same in 10 years. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. People will not be in the mood to vote for any more mean spirited, wealth revering conservatives. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. People consistently vote for Republicans when they think they are voting their pocketbooks. |
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sat110 (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
76. We are being played like fools |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Oh, you'll come crawling back to the Democratic party just like the Naderites did after 2000. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Hey! That could be the 2012 campaign slogan |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. That's the bueaty of it -- it doesn't need to be. It will happen all by itself. n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. Here you go: |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. That's it |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Hey, I made it a few months ago - things change. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. lol |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #103 |
255. ^ ROTFLMAO!!! at Donco's graphic ^ |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #255 |
258. That's even better. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. Reality for me is I have nothing left to lose. I can't see one thing worse that could be done to me |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
124. For example, Nader's enablement of Bush (and therefore Citizens United) |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #124 |
147. Things are going to get worse for everyone except the top 2%. regardless |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #147 |
165. Something that is bad policy to you and me is not necessarily bad policy to many others. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
111. Are you kidding me? JFC, if you measure from how far right the GOP has gone, |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
115. You are the same individual who claimed that we had to give Goldman Sachs billions of taxpayer $$ |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
122. 2012. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
123. So we shouldn't even hope for change anymore, eh? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. Why do you assume what you define as change will happen just because you want it to? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #129 |
142. Wow, you're that clueless on history |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #142 |
146. Oh I think people will change again. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #146 |
151. People will keep voting for right wing policies until they've had enough of the pain and start... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #151 |
152. But at that point, why do you think they will elect a President to the LEFT of Obama? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #152 |
155. I'm talking about economic pain and it's more and more people feeling it all the time |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #155 |
158. "cause they'll have nothing but a mandate" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #158 |
171. Still more than they've been paying as their part of their plan at work & a bronze plan is |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #171 |
173. "I also know I never paid anywhere near 9.5% of our income" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #173 |
177. No matter. Employers won't be giving that money back in salaries and all most people will know is... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #177 |
183. The government is actually not going to fine them if the silver (70%) plan costs more than 8% of |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #183 |
192. Great! Only 8%! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #192 |
196. As opposed to today, where if it's more than 8%, you still don't have healthcare. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Who said, :"If you like what you have, you can keep it?" |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #198 |
203. Obama said "if you like what you have, you can keep it" IN HIS BILL. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #203 |
206. Yeah but we're all about perception, aren't we? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #206 |
211. I don't think it will actually pass unless they get enough votes for a huge deficit package. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Better hope not or all those people who think the HCR bill that's such a great deal for the 'lesser |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #152 |
168. The same reason people have swung back to the left every other time in our history, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #168 |
172. While you may think this administration is something other than "left," you are in a tiny minority. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #172 |
181. Everyone will be seeking alternatives after living like the Argentines did in the 90's for a while. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #172 |
187. Well d'uh |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #187 |
191. EVERY Democratic president has people who say he isn't left enough. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #191 |
193. No reason not to push them to do better. nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #193 |
201. I'm not arguing against people who simply want to push them to do better. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #201 |
212. You argue with anyone who criticizes Obama or any of his policies in any little way. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #212 |
219. Maybe you misunderstand what I'm saying? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:07 AM Response to Reply #219 |
223. "You know as well as I know as well as he does that Republicans are not going to give him one inch, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:15 AM Response to Reply #223 |
224. Not only does Howard Dean support SS/Medicare cuts for deficit reasons, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:28 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. I guess I haven't made myself clear. I oppose right wing policies and even though I generally like.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #225 |
227. Well there are two reasons why passing nothing would hurt significantly. |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #142 |
150. +1 |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
128. Very simple. We already elected a President left of Obama |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. But of course he was constrained by the Senate. That's my point. The next person you elect with joy |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #131 |
145. But I am not referring to Senate obstruction |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Where bill did he give in to the right for no reason? Each of his big bills passed with EXACTLY 60 |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #148 |
174. He fought the House and the Senate to kill the deep audit of the Fed which had passed with huge... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:06 AM Response to Reply #174 |
180. The deep audit of the Fed did not pass the Senate with huge bipartisan support. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #180 |
188. Yes, it did: 96-0 |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:45 AM Response to Reply #188 |
200. Did you read the site you quoted? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #200 |
214. Sorry. They watered it down to appease the opposition. The opposition was the WH and WS. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:38 AM Response to Reply #214 |
221. Oh yes, I agree that the White House opposed it. They opposed it because it would kill the bill. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #131 |
253. And you appear overjoyed at this... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
139. And would it matter with a conservative Senate and 60 vote filibuster rule? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. That's actually my point. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #143 |
144. The 90's Democratic Party gave up on rural areas to chase after soccer moms. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #144 |
149. Perhaps. We might be able to make some inroads. |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #149 |
179. One of the many bogus points to your argument |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #179 |
184. We have a two party system because the electoral college requires an absolute majority to win |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
153. I have proof. We ELECTED a president to the left of Obama. His name was Obama. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. I am talking about left in terms of actual performance (such as legislation). |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #154 |
160. BS. Your OP was about how it was impossible to elect a President to the left of Obama. We did. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. I define left in terms of action. Do you define it differently? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #161 |
167. He did not fight the right wing on HCR. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #167 |
175. He fought for a bill that 80%+ Democrats support and less than 10% of Republicans support. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #175 |
182. The President called it a Republican plan just a couple of weeks ago. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #182 |
185. Of course the President is going to say that to try to win over Independents. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #185 |
189. Nope. That's not why he said it. He said it was Romney care and it was. Some of us were saying that. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #189 |
194. It's actually much further left than Romney care. 50% of Obama's insurance expansion is on a |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. The President said it was based on Romney's bill. I'm a liar for saying that but he's not? nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #195 |
197. Sure, it does have some similarities with the bill the 8-1 Democratic state legislature passed |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #197 |
202. The HCR bill is not a good bill and it's likely to get worse from here. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #202 |
204. You would need 60 votes and a Presidential signature to strip out the token regs, change the MLR, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #204 |
208. The House fought like hell to make sure they got a 'fix' to that bill and said they would not... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #208 |
220. I'm not just talking about progressives who supported the bill. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:34 AM Response to Reply #220 |
226. Sorry, not buying it. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #226 |
228. "in the end, none of them are affected by the policies they enact." |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:22 AM Response to Reply #228 |
230. Sorry. Not buying it. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #230 |
235. You do realize the fix is basically meaningless? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #160 |
166. +1 |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Campaign Obama vs President Obama |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #159 |
163. Campaign Obama was not limited by Congress. President Obama was. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #163 |
170. More BS. Your OP was asking whether a more liberal President than Obama could be elected. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #170 |
176. My definition of liberal is in terms of actions. Not sure what your definition is. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #163 |
246. "Limited by Congress" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:17 AM Response to Reply #159 |
217. They missed the "New Rules" edition about you can't lie anymore. n/t |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #159 |
249. Jeckel & Hyde |
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156. Deleted message |
BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Hearing you of all people talk about falsehoods is pretty hillarious. n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #157 |
169. And when he is forced out of office, supplanting Jimmy Carter as the greatest failure |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #169 |
178. I can't wait to see your flailing when he gets re-elected. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #178 |
199. I guess that's what happens when you piss off people from both ends of the spectrum. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #199 |
205. Not really. Every Democratic and Republican president has a small portion of their base up in arms |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Ah yes the eternal dance. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #207 |
216. California Peggy 145 recs. BZA Dem -0- as usual. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:23 AM Response to Reply #216 |
218. I have got to quit reading this one's posts. Especially on bad days. n/t |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #218 |
222. So your argument for why all elected progressives who intensly supported HCR were wrong, is... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #222 |
233. I think it points out you are in a minority here and there are good, thoughtful people who have... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:50 AM Response to Reply #233 |
234. Is Obama responsible for unemployment benefits expiring? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #234 |
236. I've never claimed I'm voting for someone else. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #236 |
237. I don't blame Obama for conditions he didn't create. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #237 |
238. He created the deficit commission at a time when spending cuts were the last thing we needed. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #222 |
256. Partisan comeback #13. The false premise. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #256 |
260. To be a false premise, it actually has to be false. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #156 |
162. +1000 nt |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
210. By 'virtue' of him being the most rw Democratic president in modern history? |
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steve2470 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:06 AM Response to Original message |
229. When official unemployment reaches 25% or more, THEN... we get our next FDR |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #229 |
251. I feel like it is that high already. How can they possibly count the millions out of college who |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:24 AM Response to Original message |
232. FDR n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
240. Yesterday, while parking in a local lot, I noticed a woman getting out of a car |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
245. "Obama...it's the best we can manage!" |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
247. Well, he ran in 2008 "to the left of Obama." It was our problem that we fell for it. n/t |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
250. Because he campaigned as a progressive and won the majority of the vote. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
252. We will never get a pResident who's not |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
254. You're Busy today. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
257. What? You want evidence of what will happen in the future? If I could do that |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
259. You mean like an Eisenhower or a even a Nixon? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
261. Flamebait. Unrecced. |
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southernyankeebelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
265. Sooner or later you are going to get a real liberal. Obama is a blue dog democratic. I am |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
266. I am unrecing this post because of the "love it or eat shit" tone. |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
267. He ran far to the left of where he is governing, and got massive support. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
268. Explain to me how there can be evidence that something in the |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
269. Nixon Was Left of Obama |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
270. Most encouraging thread of the day! |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
271. candidate Obama was to the left of President Obama |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
273. we thought they were kidding about the manchurian thing.. |
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275. WHO THE FUCK CARES? |
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