I nailed a teabagger to the wall last night

[Gman]

we walked into this furniture store that's closing and having a big sale. The place was closing because their bank line of credit funding abruptly and completely stopped. Everyone is getting laid off in the chain. This white guy that works there and who was probably in his late 60's walks up and we expressed regret about their situation and especially his as the conversation turned to his age and getting laid off. He then says we've got to get "that guy" out of the WH and a couple of other comments that blamed Obama for his plight. He mentioned something about people not paying their mortgages and a couple of other slights. WRONG THING TO SAY TO THE WRONG PEOPLE! My wife was civil enough to just walk off because she didn't want to hear it. I couldn't let that go.

Speaking of people not paying mortgages, I asked the guy if he remembered the phrase "ownership society" and who used it. I asked him if he ever heard of NINJA loans (No income, No job, No assets). He said he did. I told him they were legal because Republicans made them legal. I told him that now that Democrats are fixing the abuses by banks and business banks have admitted they are not lending, and businesses are not hiring because they do not want things to improve so they can get Obama. Banks and businesses are intentionally hoarding their money. Republicans block everything because they don't want things to get better so now he's getting laid off. I told him this entire thing started long before Obama was even a US Senator and got rolling when Republicans had control of the WH, Congress and the SCOTUS. I told him that the whole teabagger movement is nothing but a tool for big banks, Wall Street and big corporations to block or undo everything Democrats were trying to fix so they can go back to what they were doing before. I told him the free market doesn't regulate itself. That's not only a fallacy, it's ideological propaganda and that everyone that voted for Republicans this year just gave the keys back to the party that drove the truck into the ditch. I told him the only thing free markets do is promote unfettered greed. I told him that it was also much easier to blame "that black guy" for everything and that none of this started Jan 20, 2009 that in fact, it was at it's peak then. I reminded him of 750K people laid off in January 2009 alone. I told him the whole country, and actually the whole civilized world owed Obama a thank you for saving capitalism and the world economy from complete collapse. I told him a few other choice things over the course of 10 minutes of laying into him. I told him I couldn't believe people were so stupid as to vote Republicans back in.

When I was finally through with him he actually said, "You're right." which is what I wanted to hear him say.

I HATE it when, just because we're white, other white teabaggers automatically assume we hate Obama too. Wrong thing for this guy to say to us. You might say I should have told the manager. But there's no reason to. He's putting himself out of a job anyway because he supports Republicans. But the manager of the place is a good family friend and a liberal. So I might tell him after the stores close and they're laid off. But I suspect everyone knows he's a winger anyway.

Don't f**k with me!

[OHdem10]

1. Bravo!!!Bravo!!!!

[baldguy]

2. Merry Christmas!

[MindandSoul]

3. You're my hero! Thank you!

[Historic NY]

4. When they start I ask them what they would they do? They didn't get any memos beyond NO.

[madmax]

5. Bravo my friend

Great smack down.

I know what you mean, if you're white we do hear a lot more than if we were black. Never fails, they want The Black Man out of The White House. When I tell them I voted for him and was the proudest vote I'd ever cast, they look at me as if I'd betrayed my race or worse.

[AsahinaKimi]

6. Why are Tea baggers such Brash Loudmouths?

Is it because they get no attention at home?? :shrug:

[rasputin1952]

13. Becasuse when you have nothing to back up your side that is...

remotely sane, the only other option is to get loud. We see it all of the time, getting loud, then come the barrage of interruptions. It's a cycle they go through. God forbid any of them actually look at reality for 30 seconds or so...:hi:

[The Wizard]

20. Why are Tea baggers such Brash Loudmouths?

Short or non functioning man parts.

[LynneSin]

25. Because for the first time in their life they have a way to be racist assholes

Before Obama they had to hide under white hoods to express their racism.

Today they can do it in the open and claim it's all 'political'

[Moonbat2]

105. pot meets kettle

[Dark]

111. Because they think everyone agrees with them. They are surrounded by likeminded peopl

At work, at their churches and at their rural fortress compounds.

[Mimosa]

7. "He's putting himself out of a job anyway because he supports Republicans."

So true.

[The Wielding Truth]

96. Yet, he is not just hurting himself. His ignorance is killing us all.

[MrScorpio]

8. Damn SKIPPY! Nt

[OrwellwasRight]

9. Success!! ++++

K&R! :kick: :kick: :kick:

[DonCoquixote]

10. Bravo

Don;t worry, soon you will get blasted by certain folks on the left as well. I do not call the the professional left because that was an error..let's call them the "Ted rall"left that think a breakdown is needed.

[Obamanaut]

11. Oh good. Yet another confrontation with a senior citizen. Why is it

that we never read of these confrontations that describe the other person as 'built like a linebacker', or 'a burly biker type with tattoos' but rather something like "...probably in his late 60's..."?

They seem to involve a lot of women in checkout lines, or old guys wearing the wrong tee shirt, or senior citizens in McDonald's.

[saras]

12. Maybe because they're civil enough to discuss it?

The whole point is to talk to someone who might listen and learn something. The point is not to get oneself beat up with pipes and chains for nothing.

Besides, the older ones often have whole social circles of friends and acquaintances who THEY can talk reasonably to.

Signed, coming-up-on-sixty

[kctim]

33. Bikers can't be civil?

We can't hold a rational discussion without beating up people with 'pipes and chains?'

[saras]

137. Don't know - never met you

Do you dress, act, and generally comport yourself like someone who can be talked to reasonably, or like someone who wants to intimidate others with your appearance?

It may not always be 'right' to judge people by appearances, but that doesn't mean there aren't times where doing so won't save your life.

[seabeyond]

21. as i am getting older and being a female, i dont see myself as incapable of conversation, discussion

or argument. nor do i need to be protected. or conversation avoided, especially if i were to start soemthing up.

why do you imply that it resorts to some younger male taking it to violence?

i have had political discussions with all ages, and certainly that manly man rw'er. that is the main rw i have had discussion with. and always enjoy talking to the young republican.

[pipi_k]

35. Actually I don't think a younger guy

would be more prone to violence than an older guy would.

But I'll tell you what...


I have a neighbor down the hill who is probably early 40s and built like a bodybuilder.

He's a Republican who sometimes spouts off nutty Teabagger stuff although I don't know if I would go so far as to say he IS a Teabagger.

But I would bet any amount of money that if he and a 60-something guy were in a McDonalds, on opposite sides of the place, spouting off RW crap, very few here would wander over in his direction to "re-educate" him. Especially some of the ones I've seen who have admitted to being rather loud about their "re-education" attempts.


Sorry...I'm just cynical that way.

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

37. having two brothers with that build, that age, i am not so easily intimidated.

:shrug:

[pipi_k]

51. OK, fair enough, but

That's you.


Also, I think it's fair to say that many big burly men probably wouldn't even consider assaulting a woman, but wouldn't feel as much restraint when dealing with another man who's getting in their faces.

And it seems like there are more men here than women who are spewing testosterone out all over 60 something teabaggers.


Except for one time I did see where a female did confront someone...an elderly woman, of course. Not a tough-looking 18 year old, maybe with a shitty attitude and a need to prove something by beating the crap out of anybody who even looks cross-eyed at her.

[Gman]

55. I'm getting into my late 50's, but I can bench press 200 lbs

and can do more than I could when I was in my late 20's. My wife says I look at a cop and that I do intimidate guys. I guess I might, but that still has nothing to do with the facts.

[nessa]

22. +1 (nt)

.

[Pathwalker]

26. BINGO! + 10000000000000!

n/t

[pipi_k]

27. Hah...I knew even before reading the text...

in the OP that it would probably involve a verbal beat-down of an old person.


And I've written pretty much the same you have about how we never see anyone saying they confronted a big motorcycle riding guy or someone who could actually kick their ass...

never a reply.

Only post after post from others saying how great it is to confront an elderly person.

[seabeyond]

38. 60 friggin years old? frail? i mean, god, i hope when i am 60 i dont come across people that treat

me as some frail, incompetent old person.

[pipi_k]

54. Just wondering...

where exactly I used the words "frail" and/or "incompetent".


I never wrote anything of the kind.

[snooper2]

29. that's ageism

Just because he's old he can't stand up for himself?

Just because he's old he has to be weak?

Just because he's old he can't have biker tattoos?

[NoSheep]

31. Right on snooper2!

[pipi_k]

36. That's not the point, really

The point is that nearly every story about how someone "confronted a Teabagger" involves confrontation with a person over the age of 60.

Or a younger woman with a kid or two in tow but no 6' 2" husband or boyfriend with her.



I'm not going to let go of my cynicism unless and until someone comes in here with a (TRUE) story of how they confronted a whole motorcycle gang or maybe even their BOSS.

There's one...how come we never see where people have confronted their teabagger bosses? Or is the economy so great that people can basically pick and choose the political leanings of the bosses they work for?


I want to hear about how someone confronted their 40-something boss in the same rude manner they would confront a 60-something Joe Blow in McDonalds and still managed to keep his job.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think we should hold our collective breaths here...Confrontations..."nailing teabaggers to the wall"...only really works when it's done to someone who can't retaliate with something really nasty.

:eyes:

[snooper2]

41. "comes in here with a (TRUE) story"

on the Intertubes? :rofl:

[pipi_k]

56. I know....

Sometimes I even question the truth of people confronting the elderly.

But, whether the stories themselves are true or not, the reactions are. People cheering because an old person got a verbal slapdown, and who cares what they believe or don't believe...

"Truth to Power", that's what we hear...

Yeah...gotta watch out for all those 75 year old assassins, ninjas, political powerhouses, and dictators hanging out in the local McDonald's shooting the shit with each other.

:eyes:

[Obamanaut]

50. Nicely put. nt

[Boudica the Lyoness]

64. You have no idea how rude you are

[pipi_k]

77. If you want to call what I wrote "rude"...

that's one thing.


If you are calling me rude, that's a personal attack and you might want to reconsider.



Also, it would be nice to be an adult about it and explain exactly what you found rude and why.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

84. Of course it was what you wrote

Do I know you? You are being incredibly insulting to people over 60 and but that doesn't occur to you.

[socialist_n_TN]

99. I don't know if you'd call it confronting or not...........

but I DID have a LONG argument with one of my VERY conservative bosses prior to the '04 election. I wasn't rude, but I didn't back down either. He actually kept me outside arguing about it for over an hour DURING work hours. The point is I didn't back down.

[quakerboy]

112. I had at least part of that argument with my boss

He was being sympathetic to the tea party, and I nailed him down, letting him know that they are racist to the core, no matter how much he thinks his Teaparty friends would never be "that way".



I would suggest that perhaps the reason that these conversations tend to happen with mature people is that young people don't often listen. Perhaps young tea bagger's are just to immature to even begin to approach with a good look in the mirror, where more mature persons may sometimes have the fortitude to handle a little introspection and a dose of the truth.

[SwampG8r]

122. i am what you would call a biker

i have an antique triumph chopper and a classic 1983 yamaha road cruiser
in my own life i have been described as a 1%er (google is your friend)
i have to argue the image of the biker as a right wing agent
most and i stress most are very liberal while supporting the rights of the individual over those of the state
i have had civil discussions about politics with every political stripe and never has it escalated to violence

please find another boogieman?

[Obamanaut]

47. Actually no. I am 68, have ridden motorcycles since 1961, have multiple

tattoos (some of which were put on subsequent to my retirement from the Navy in 1988), go to the gym at least 5 days a week and work with free weights (and much younger men have asked me for advice on getting larger upper arms).

No, not ageism at all. Just that so many of these tall tales involve senior citizens, women in check out lines, etc. The description of the person they "nailed" or "beat down" NEVER EVER includes big, burly, strong appearing, looks like he could move a house, etc. Just old, or women, or something that suggests old, weak, or women.

[Gman]

60. I frankly don't care how big they are, or how big and bad they think they are

If they want to rock and roll, I'm ready! I'm in they gym at least 2 - 3 days a week working with free weights too and I get a kick out of being able to do more at my age than these kids 30+ years younger than me that work with a little weight and can't keep their eyes off the mirror looking at their little self! Them and their friends that have to spot them if they have 100 lbs. doing a bench press.

Sorry, I'm gettin' cocky now!

[Moonbat2]

134. ya think

but wicked believable:mad:

[kctim]

32. Easy answer

liberals and teabagger fear us 'biker types' for some reason.

[Dreamer Tatum]

40. Don't forget that the first word used was "white."

This story is, like most Penthouse Forum, er, confrontation stories, probably false.

[Township75]

70. I noticed that too...if it had started with "some hispanic guy"...

it might have been racist...so the story has to emphasize white, otherwise we wouldn't appluad him.

[socialist_n_TN]

100. So how many black and Latino Teabaggers..........

are out there? Of COURSE he was white. The demographic of the Teabaggers IS white.

[L0oniX]

42. I will speak my mind to anyone. If they threaten my life over it I will shoot them.

I will use my freedom of speech and no one dare try to threaten my life over it because I have a right to defend and protect myself ...and I do have a CWP. I don't care if they are a 250 pound biker!

[Gman]

53. I had another confrontation with a (white) guy who is a contractor in South Texas

He and his family, from outward appearances are well off. They do heavy equipment, laying utilities, easements, streets, etc. I asked him how his business was doing and at the same time I asked if they were getting any stimulus money work. He stopped, took a deep breath and said the stimulus money is "the only thing keeping them above water." He said that he was against "all that stuff" originaly, but now it's the only thing keeping them operating. I replied, "Good!" That means the stimulus money is doing what it was intended to do. That is to create work and keep people already working on the job, as well as keep small businesses operating. I said I was glad to hear first hand about a case where the stimulus money was doing what it was intended for.

But he couldn't leave it alone and threw in the "yeah but" and complained about the hoops they have to jump through to find made in America products and the lenghty process they have to go through if they can't find what they need in made in the US. And he complained about the reports and the people on the job sites counting the number of people working and how they get in the way, and how many and redundant, etc. I said, "But you've got work?" He said yes.

I wasn't quite as aggressive with this guy because his mother is one of my clients. But I still got him to admit the stimulus money was a good thing without being too pushy about it.

[Gman]

57. I'll tell you the same thing... I'm getting into my late 50's, but I can bench press 200 lbs

and can do more than I could when I was in my late 20's. My wife says I look at a cop and that I do intimidate guys. I guess I might, but that still has nothing to do with the facts. Maybe I did intimidate the guy. Frankly, I hope so. If so, he found out liberals aren't as stereotype. I have some good union building trade friends that would scare the crap out of anyone.

[treestar]

63. In my experience, they are the group that brings politics up

And assumes you agree. Older white men have a long history of white privilege. They will start in, like the geezer here.

[LanternWaste]

65. Demographics and/or social circles?

"that we never read of these confrontations that describe the other person as..."

Demographics and/or social circles? I'm rarely in a setting (social, business or otherwise) that is graced with the presence of "'a burly biker type with tattoos'"



Or maybe we simply remember those things which better validate our own notions, and forget those things which don't.

[stopbush]

72. Because it's the older generation that continues to have a latent racism

in its bloodstream. That makes them think it's OK to make remarks that are overtly racist or just-beneath-the-surface racist.

I'm 56. This is my generation we're talking about. I live in OC, CA. People who are my age and white around here just assume I'm as racist and anti-Obama as they are, because I fit the OC profile.

I had a "discussion" on Monday with a 62-yr-old millionaire who started in on unions and pensions wrecking the country. I told her that I have been in many unions and pointed out to her that pensions are a bargaining chip that management uses to avoid paying higher wages in the moment - take these lower wages NOW and we promise you a pension when you retire sometime in the distant future. Management does this because they know that the vast number of people who will work under the CBA will never retire to a pension. They will quit or get fired or have their pension terms modified when the original company is bought out. It's just like the movie "Wall Street" where the real value in Blue Star was their over funded pension plan. Nobody hands you a check for the $ you've paid into a pension plan when you quit or get fired from that job. It stays in the pension fund, earning interest.

Well, that didn't cut it with her, so she then got on the, "we need to extend the bush tax cuts for the rich so they'll create jobs." "What jobs would those be?" I asked. "The bush tax cuts for the rich have been in place for the past 10 years, and the economy has been LOSING jobs for all of that time. If those tax cuts were going to create jobs, why haven't they done it in the past 10 years? If they haven't created any jobs in the past 10 years, won't making them permanent do the same thing in perpetuity?"

That shut her up. She didn't have an answer, so the topic of conversation had to change.

[JuniperLea]

79. Have you seen the TeaBagger rallies?

I'm not sure what you want here.

I've confronted many a "burly biker type" recently, men and women, twice my size. A couple are distant cousins.

I don't see what physical stature has to do with intellectual ideology. But I do know that the majority of TeaBagger pics we see here on DU are of people well over 50... it has nothing to do with physical stature, but with generation and location. Oh, and mainly being white and racist, but that's beside the point.

[Obamanaut]

88. Are racists always white, or are there others?

Physical stature would not normally be an issue, EXCEPT that on the threads where the poster 'puts someone in their place', physical attributes are always mentioned, such as; group of seniors at McDonald's, woman with two kids in a checkout line, old guy in his late 60's.

There is never a mention of someone being 'put in their place' with a description of a woman with her 6'2" male companion, or a guy who looks like a pro linebacker, or someone with a Gold's Gym T Shirt with the seams all stretched out. Never. If such a person were to be encountered and/or confronted and it was worthy of a self congratulatory post, why is it not in the post? Why only the less physical?

[JuniperLea]

89. Racists come in all sizes, shapes, colors, sexes...

Now, if you're talking TeaBaggers who are racists, I think it's a safe bet to say that the vast majority of those who fit into the two groups are indeed white.

[socialist_n_TN]

97. Is it OK if us 50/60 somethings confront these..........

ignorant fuckers? And in spite of being ALMOST 60, I'm not going to be shy about pointing out stupidity in politics especially WHEN IT'S KILLING US ALL! And that's with ANYBODY. If they attack me, I'll defend myself with a little more force than they attack me with.

One reason we're in this sad state as a country NOW is because people stopped speaking out against ignorance. Even if it's just me, it will NOT happen again. I'll speak when I want to. I'm an American and I have that right (theoretically at least).

[Delphinus]

14. Wow!

That is a wonderful synopsis!

Edit to add "Thank you!"

[sendero]

15. Sweet..

.... people just need to THINK. Instead, they listen to bullshit and they buy it because it's easy.

[monmouth]

16. Soooo, did ya buy anything???...n/t

[Vinca]

17. You're an inspiration!

[KharmaTrain]

18. Truly Amazing...

Kudos to putting it straight and not giving any quarter.

It boggles the mind that there are so many selfish and short-sighted people in this country who are quick to blame just cause they told to. And it's always misdirected. We see millions of people who slept through the boooosh years...waving their flags with their "support our troops" magnet (made in China) on their SUV. They were able to charge like crazy and pay no attention to the credit and real estate bubbles that finally burst...a bubble created to exploit what decreasing income and assets they had. And who do they blame? The "colored guy" of course.

The right wing media has so corrupted and distorted things that they only see the effects, not the cause and put blind faith in those who created the mess not just to explain it but now to fix it. If the term BOHICA applies, these are the times.

[hapkidogal]

19. A cashier and a similar experience

Funny I was in a Walgreen's and complaining about the way our drivers license are done now. The cashier started to moan about Democrats. I said how I disagreed. She said you must be a Democrat and I said yes.It went from there to Saddam.She said how "they" killed all those people on 9-11. I let her know there were no Iraqis in the bunch. This woman started saying that Saddam Hussein was letting Al Que-da train in Iraq and that's why we invaded. I said No. He had nothing to do with it. I thought her head was going to explode. She then said well he was financing them. Again I said No. Her retort was "well he really wasn't a nice man". No I said but we aren't the worlds police force. I tried to encourage her to educate herself. It's amazing how when you hit them with facts they fall apart.
Bravo to you. Let's keep standing up:)

[Boudica the Lyoness]

66. I love doing that

One time my husband, son and I told a relative that Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11. She had just told us that "we have to defend ourselves from the Iraqis because of 9/11".

Bless her heart, she was so upset to realize the US had invaded a country for no good reason. She said, "More people need to know about this! Why isn't it on the news"? We told her she shouldn't get her news only from Fox.

That was easy talking to her because she trusts us but I have some very unpleasant encounters. It's always fun to see the smoke coming out of their ears when little brains get fried.

[crikkett]

23. Must.... censor... jokes... about... double-entendre

[LynneSin]

24. I'm so tired of this being a 'Black-White' thing. And that's what teabaggers are making it

I have so little tolerance for racist people. Who am I kidding - I have none.

[elleng]

28. "You're right."

Good work.

[NoSheep]

30. Excellent post. Thank you so much for standing up for the truth.

I had to break a 10 year truce with my sister over something similar. I was NOT as eloquent.

[boycottfaux]

34. Too bad you're married . .

I applaud you . .

When I do things like that, my kids tell me STOP MA, NOBODY
WANTS TO TALK POLITICS . .

You did good!!!!!!!!!

[Mariana]

39. You know what's really sad?

Today he'll turn on Fox "News" and he'll listen to a few hours of Limbaugh's show, and then he'll be totally convinced again that everything wrong is Obama's and the Democrats' fault. It will be as if his encounter with you had never taken place.

[fatbuckel]

43. He said "you`re right" ? I find that hard to swallow. They don`t usually believe in the truth.

[Gman]

61. He said it.

I couldn't wait to find my wife to tell her. We got a great laugh out of it.

[pipi_k]

94. He probably said it hoping you would go away.

I would.

that's actually one of the strategies for dealing with annoying/difficult people


http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200609/dealing-difficult-people?page=2



There's probably no faster way to shut up a jerk than to tell him he's right. He goes away and the confrontation ends.

[Gman]

113. Of course it is

And maybe that's why he said it. Who knows. He's got enough problems right now anyway.

[vssmith]

44. So,now he is a liberal?

[pipi_k]

58. Hah...and that right there is another point....

I doubt very much that it's about changing someone's mind.


Really it's more about being an obnoxious asshole to someone who might be too shocked, or too polite, to be an obnoxious asshole right back.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

69. The man raised the subject first

I suppose you'd just go on your merry way and ignore him. Or maybe you'd just agree so as not to hurt his 'elderly' feelings. Do you have any idea how rude you are being by considering someone over 60 too old to talk to about anything that they don't agree with.

Think about that when you are 60.

[pipi_k]

73. Talking is one thing

But that wasn't the title of this thread, and never seems to be the title, or theme, of similar threads.

It's always about how someone "nailed a teabagger to the wall" or "told off a teabagger", etc.


If it's supposed to be about mature discussion, then there's no need for someone to brag about how they gave a verbal slapdown to an elderly person and everybody cheers like this poor tiny little DU'er has just won a bloody battle with a big bad Teabagger Old Person.

It's pathetic, really.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

85. This man was talking.

And he did a good job at it.

Stop calling people 'old' like they are feeble minded and not worth having a 'mature' discussion with.

How would you feel if you discovered the OP was 70 and in fact older than the teabagger he was talking to?

[pipi_k]

93. He wasn't "talking"

His title was that he "nailed a teabagger to a wall".

Showed the guy where the bear shits in the woods.

Shoved the TRUTH down his throat.

Proved the other guy is a stupid ass who doesn't know anything.


Really, I don't know why people think my trouble with picking on older people has anything to do with them being "feeble" or weak.

My trouble with it is that older people are pretty much set in their opinions and trying to embarrass them or prove they don't know anything is an exercise in futility. And I don't care if the OP is 100 years old. HE might have an open, active mind, but someone in his 60s might have a touch of dementia or some other cognitive problem which causes irrational thought.

And if that's the case...if someone has a cognitive problem due to age or some other reason, then it's disgusting in the extreme to blast the person and then feel all proud of it.

Disgusting.

Anybody running around telling "teabaggers" off...what is your ultimate goal, huh? To change their minds? Has anybody ever, at the end of a lecture (or rant) to these people, ever asked, "So...did I change your mind?"

I'll bet not.

Because I'll also bet that changing someone's mind isn't the goal here. The goal always seems to be to make someone else look like an asshole, then run back here and fistbump with others over telling off the big bad teabagger.

Nice.

Real classy.

:eyes:

[socialist_n_TN]

101. You obviously DON'T get it...............

You don't confront ignorance because you're trying to change their minds. You confront it because there are a LOT of people out there in the squishy middle who vote and decide things on PASSION. If the only passion they see is from RW Teabaggers, they're going to think that what EVERYBODY thinks so they should think that way too.

You confront to give people an ALTERNATIVE!

[pipi_k]

121. Oh, I "get it" just fine...

Like you said, you don't confront ignorance to change someone's mind.

That part makes sense.

The rest is basically bullshit...confronting because there are people in the squishy middle who vote based on passion? What the bloody hell does that mean?


Looks to me like a whole lot of people here are pretty passionate. I'll bet most of them vote on things that resonate with them personally. Are they wrong? Stupid? Need to be "re-educated"?

Of course not. People are only wrong about passion when they vote for things we disagree with, right?


So yeah...it's not about changing someone's mind. It's about shaming someone else. In public, if at all possible. Then waltzing in here to brag about it.

Believe me, I get it.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

106. We need more people like the OP

I think you were a bit insulting to people in their 60's and older when you wrote, "And I don't care if the OP is 100 years old. HE might have an open, active mind, but someone in his 60s might have a touch of dementia or some other cognitive problem which causes irrational thought".

It's like saying because you are younger than me, it would be cruel of me or embarrassing to you, for me to try to discuss or reason with you because you have a immature brain and lack the wisdom the years have given me.

I have to remind you this man is employed, believed the OP was a fellow racist teabagger and started the conversation. If more of us stood up to these teabaggers, maybe we would have decent healthcare now.

I'm glad the OP in your words. "Proved the other guy is a stupid ass who doesn't know anything".

[pipi_k]

123. Argue with them till you're blue in the face...

If you think putting teabagger types down...especially the older ones who are very set in their ways...is going to change the world, then be my guest.

It's interesting how steadfastly you want to play the ageism card here...accusing me of believing that older people are stupid.


I know plenty of older people who are anything BUT stupid, believe me.


But it's totally ridiculous and ignorant to think that someone 60 years old is too young to be suffering from some brain disorder.

Don't blame me for pointing this out...I'm just the messenger here. Personally, I think people want to justify their actions by vilifying the person who won't let them get away with assuming everyone has the same mental abilities they do.

I have a sister (56) who has a cognitive disorder from childhood. She doesn't always make sense. She often says, and does, some very inappropriate things, but it's part of her problem. What makes you, or the OP, so sure that pointing out the "facts" will do anything to change her mind?

How can you tell whether or not someone might have a cognitive disorder? You can't. So keep on running around slapping verbal beatdowns on people who just might be suffering from something you can't see. You probably won't change that person's mind, but what the hell. At least you got to blow off some steam on someone else, even if the person DID start the conversation first.

Be proud.

:eyes:

[Boudica the Lyoness]

136. You are really getting on my nerves.

I'm thinking of pretty ponies covered in glitter dancing around in the sky. It's cruel of you to keep bothering me at my age.

[Gman]

62. Nope, just a teabagger with his tail between his legs

[pipi_k]

125. Which was the goal, anyway....

If you can't change their minds, give them a verbal bitch-slapping.

Happy happy joy joy


It's always interesting to find out what makes someone's day.

[AnArmyVeteran]

45. (((Applause)))

[mazzarro]

46. As A Human Being And A Liberal I Cannot Say "Thank You" ENOUGH!

You've just made my day - today and for the rest of this week! Keep it up buddy - so proud of you!

[Gman]

48. Thank you to everyone for the kudos

But it's just doing the right thing. What these people represent and how they do it just cannot be allowed to stand. What I did has to be what all of us should be doing at every opportunity. We cannot continue to allow this to stand. Our leaders in DC and elsewhere can stand in front of the cameras, look good and mouth things like, "I don't agree with my good friend and colleague, blah, blah, blah..." We have to be doing the dirty work and the fighting here in the trenches. That is how racism was driven underground where it lived for many years until it became OK again. Now that hideous monster has escaped again and it has much more it is getting away with. It must be driven back underground.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

49. There are 6 inch concrete guns, 38 caliber

that fire spikes into the thickest walls. I hope you have one with you next time.

Good Job!

[louis-t]

52. 16d? Oh, you mean figuratively.

:silly:

[AndrewP]

59. Sounds like the title of a porn flick

Good to hear though. Facts are the antidote to their nonsense.

[bertman]

67. Don't worry, dude. I won't fuck with you. Besides we're on the same side. REC. nt

[barbtries]

68. wow

that is so cool. and you actually changed his mind and he didn't just turn purple and start spitting? oh to be a fly on the wall...

[Jeffersons Ghost]

71. K&R

[riverbendviewgal]

74. All these tea baggers are living in the past, a false one.

I know because my Bubba brother is. He is constantly sending me these Viet Nam patriotic stuff, about the flag , about the pledge of allegiance and how Obama didn't have a flag pin, put his hand over his heart, is killing the businesses.... is a socialist, is not american born..... He listens to Beck, Hannity (who my brother thinks should be president.)and just watches FOX


He wasn't like this before but I think his 2nd wife influenced him. He served in the Marines in the 70's...He joined them because he knew he would be drafted. By then they weren't sending Marines to Nam anymore. He spent his tour in DC...typing.. yet you would think he served in Nam and killed lots of gooks.

He is so full of hate these days. Hate of Obama and all democrats. I just don't want to talk, or write him anymore.

His daughter works for Lockheed Martin and makes very big bucks, She hates Obama because one of the reasons is the health care. She has two daughters so is a mother. yet she has no empathy . She told me outright she has no sympathy for the unemployed or people who have no health insurance. She felt she should not have to pay for someone else's health insurance. I believe they all Hate O'Bama because he is black.

I am American born....but came to Canada in 69....as a refugee. Now a Canadian and so happy for being one.

Funny today on CNN's poll most people who voted said Assange is a criminal, yet on the Toronto Star's poll today, most of us voted he wasn't...

We are different from Americans and I count my blessing every day that I am here and not down there. .

[Anakin Skywalker]

107. Can You Sponsor Me to Canada? PLEASE?!

I am so sick of being trapped here in America. The Land of No Hope! :cry:

[hfojvt]

75. that's the wrong attitude

What happens to a person who is nailed to the wall?

Why is it that you would rather hurt them than inform them?

[zentrum]

76. Wow. Superlative points.

Thank you.

And you've probably impacted his friends and family by impacting him.

[lsewpershad]

78. Problem is

There are too many Americans like this guyt.

[Pathwalker]

80. This thread really IS useless without a picture!

You could have simply thrown his words at him: reminded him that Obama was elected by a majority of voters, and maybe the store wouldn't be closing if he didn't insist on pissing off at least half his customers...like you. Then, you walk out.

Did you take a picture after you nailed him to the wall?

[mnhtnbb]

81. He probably agreed with you hoping to make a sale. Salesmen will say ANYTHING!

Nice points, though.

[Ilsa]

82. Lacks? nt (Oh, good job!)

[GrpCaptMandrake]

83. Why is it "always" an older person?

C'mon! Is it a slow day at DU?

These stories always involve an older person because . . .

that's FoxNews' dadgummed demographic! Mervyn and Marvalene have the teevee box on Fox when they turn it off to go to bed after that keen hep cat Bill O'Reilly and it's right there on FoxNews when they turn it on in the morning for America's best children's show, FoxEnFrienz.

[Uncle Joe]

86. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Gman.

[valerief]

87. Damn, and I was expected an erotica story. Good on you anyway! nt

[LynnTTT]

90. Try being old, white, middle class and live in SC!!

Everyone assumes you're a Tea Bagger. They start with hints to feel you out and I usually say , "I'm a Democrat, don't go there. But if you really want a truthful conversation, I'm game. " Then they shut up, because they really don't want a conversation.

[socialist_n_TN]

102. Same in Tennessee, well not Nashville so much...........

We're pretty much a blue dot in a red state, but get out into the suburbs (and yes even some in town) and it's like that.

BTW, I like your way of challenging them. "Don't go there, but if you want a truthful conversation, I'm game." I'll have to remember that.

[ejbr]

91. You should have asked during your

"discussion": "By the way, do you know where the restrooms are, cuz you'r full of shit!" However, you most certainly read him the riot act. Bravo! :applause:

[CatWoman]

92. marry me

:)

:applause:

[indimuse]

95. haha! Love it! Bravo and THANK YOU!

knr!

[newtothegame]

98. You shouldn't let other people's politics control you so much. It's kind of sad. nt

[MadMaddie]

103. GMAN! Your name is appropriate!

Facts and data! The truth always will win out!

[Moonbat2]

104. WOW

so did you buy any furniture? A nice futon perhaps

[Gman]

114. Got a really great deal on a very nice coffee table and end table

my wife went and got some other saleslady to help us. She wanted nothing to do with this guy.

[Anakin Skywalker]

108. For Those Who Have a Problem with GMan:

Would it have been OK if the guy GMan confronted was a used-car salesman?

[pipi_k]

110. I don't have a problem with him, but I'll answer your question...

Who cares what line of work the guy was in?

It's just another in a long line of "Weee!!! Lookit meeee!!! I slapped down an old guy who can't possibly do anything in retaliation!!!"

Because, basically, that's what happens. These "heroes" give a verbal slap in the face to someone who always, in the end, looks sheepish or ashamed or guilty or something. So far we never hear how any of them has been able to respond in kind. The people who attack others like that think they don't get a response because they've spoken the Truth from the very lips of God himself. Yeah...I sure showed HIM!!!! And the more stupid and dumbfounded the other person looks, the better.

Way to spread a message, guys... :eyes:


So a couple of people here have problems with my characterization of the elderly as "frail" and "incompetent" although I never once said they were either of those things.

OK...fine. Let's skip the elderly part.

How many people here have launched a tirade on their boss at work? The person who signs your paycheck each week... Who's going to stand there and lecture his or her boss on politics? Get right up in his face and give him a verbal slapfest worthy of a crummy looking 60-something guy in a store or fast food place...

Probably nobody.

Because very few people are ballsy enough to jeopardize their mealticket with politics. Suddenly, a boss who might have Teabagger tendencies isn't as big a threat as some old anonymous Teabagger guy whose worst retaliation might involve spitting on his attacker's shoes.

[Gman]

115. I think you're missing some points here

first, the guy is not that much older than me. 10 years at the most. You could probably classify me as "borderline elderly". Second, it was not a shouting match, there was no one red faced, no one was angry. No one raised his voice. Thirdly, I didn't seek this guy out. He saw my wife and I and assumed since we're white we had to agree with him. And he's not the first person to do that to me. He's the first one that caught me in a mood that I didn't want to hear it.

And, he started out blaming Obama for his company's bank line of credit drying up which screamed all kinds of ignorance and utter stupidity. I suppose I could have treated him like the crazy guy on the corner that talks to the air and walked the other way, even though they have a lot in common. The guy was being stupid and acting like everyone else like him was as stupid so it must be ok.

And you can't blame people for avoiding confronting their winger boss. Jeopardizing their "meal ticket" is stupid. Besides, there is no such thing as free speech in the workplace anyway so why bother?

[pipi_k]

119. It may not have been a screaming match....

and I don't care if the guy was only 5 years older than you.

Anything that ends up being a topic with the title "I nailed a teabagger to the wall" probably isn't something that went well.

You know what goes well? A two sided conversation where each side presents his opinion, each side understands where the other side is coming from, even though they may not agree, and they respectfully agree to disagree.

Something like that wouldn't normally be called "nailing a teabagger to the wall"...which is exactly the title of this thread...not, for example, "I had a productive conversation with a teabagger", or something similar.

So if things turned out well and everyone walked away with egos intact, why are you accepting kudos from people who are cheering you on for putting down yet another stupid, ignorant teabagger type?

As for the age, who cares what age someone is? He could have been 5 or 10 years younger than you, but suffering from some mental incapacity...something which many people here accuse teabaggers of anyway. I've seen it a hundred times or more...how STUPID teabaggers are. "Morans" of the lowest type.

So basically, people think it's perfectly OK to engage in verbal sparring with people who may not have the intellectual ability to spar back.

It's OK...I understand perfectly.

:eyes:

[Gman]

127. Facts are not subject to opinion. They are either true or false, yes or no, 1 or 0

there is no opinion to what he was saying. For whatever reason, he was flat wrong with his facts about Obama being to blame for the banking crisis, as he understood it.

You have just clarified exactly what the problem is. I will not, and I think we cannot let these "opinions" go as fact and agree to disagree on our "opinions". That is not possible. So when someone like him comes up to me and starts citing his pseudo-Fox News-type "facts", I will set them straight because it's wrong, it hurts people in general, and it hurts the country. e.g. most recently you hear, "Duh... how does unemployment create jobs? Duh... well that's stupid" My response is something along the lines of "No, you idiot. Unemployment benefits help unemployment by creating and maintaining jobs that produce the goods and services people buy with their money from unemployment." The next response is, "Duh.. I disagree." I will make sure anyone within earshot knows this person is an idiot and nail 'em to the wall.

Can I do it politely? Of course I can. But it ain't my job to educate him/her when something else failed in their education way back before they ever ran across me.

[pipi_k]

128. And facts are slippery things...

so I hope that when you "explained" the situation to him, you also mentioned that there's more than enough blame to go around...i.e. that it's not just the fault of Republicans.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html


In any event, my issue involves the thread title saying you "nailed a teabagger to the wall". That doesn't imply mature, constructive discussion. That implies verbal smackdown of someone who obviously isn't as intelligent as yourself.

I'm seeing a very mixed message. On one side, you're accepting slaps on the back and fanfare from a lot of people for having put yet another stupid teabagger in his place. Not for informing him...for putting him in his place.

On the other side, you're trying to convince me that it was all very civilized and mature and everybody left with egos intact. Which I see is not true because it seems he was barely
able to mutter something like "You're right" before escaping your lecture.

Do you honestly believe you managed to change his whole outlook?

No. You admit as much when someone asked if he's now a Liberal. Your answer..."No...he's a teabagger with his tail between his legs".

And one final issue I have...let's forget for the moment what age he was. Young or old, someone could be suffering from some cognitive disorder you can't see. Maybe this man was...or wasn't. You don't know for certain. But it sure felt good to lay into him, huh... Send his tail between his legs.

Because, again...that's the real goal here. Not to educate, but to shame.

[Gman]

133. You do have a valid point about educating people, especially like him

I agree with that 100%. However, it's been my experience that these people do not want to be educated to the real facts. It's like the faux comparisons of Fox and MSNBC. Both are news outlets, both have their followings. But that does not in any way imply they both deal with different positions based on the same facts. You will not find facts on Fox. You will find facts in great detail on MSNBC. So it's a matter of which facts does one accept. Minimally educated whites that feel threatened by people not white watch Fox and it is nothing short of gospel to them. They will not listen, or even discuss anything that is not verified when they watch Fox. Fox, of course, has no interest in facts.

It's been my experience that it is absolutely futile to try to educate these people. They don't want to be because it takes them outside their comfort zone. It makes them think in much more complex terms than slogans and out of context quotes and data. It makes them analyze why the even more complex issues they've been lied to about, but believe may not be true. It takes effort and it might take them somewhere they don't want to go. This guy did at least seem able to accept that the economic problems we have right now did not start with Obama.

I think they are wasted people. They were shoved down into a hole in the 60's and 70's and they stayed there for a long time. They've now discovered it's OK to come out again. They hate the term "politically correct" and love to be a jerk just to show they're not politically correct. I think they're wasted people.

Sometimes there may be hope. You can figure out in the first 60 - 90 seconds of talking with one of them. I'm not wasting any more time and just passively accepting their crap. I'll nail 'em to the wall every chance I get. That's the way we shove them back into the sewer they came from.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

116. This pisses me off

You wrote this, "HE might have an open, active mind, but someone in his 60s might have a touch of dementia or some other cognitive problem which causes irrational thought".

Bloody hell!

[pipi_k]

120. Again, sorry if it pisses you off...

but it could be possible.

Are you going to tell me it's totally impossible? That nobody in his late 50s or early 60s has ever started to exhibit symptoms of Alzheimers?

Please educate yourself...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alzheimers/AZ00009


Also, transient ischaemic attacks can occur in people in their 30s which can affect the way someone thinks as they age.


so we have a group of people calling themselves "Progressives"...or "Liberals"...running around trying to shame others for their political opinions...people who may or may not have some cognitive problems, but really, what does that matter as long as people get to tell off anyone with which they don't agree...

Because, again...I doubt very much this is about trying to change someone's mind. It's more about putting someone else down.

Bad enough from Freeper types. Absolutely disgusting from "Progressives/Liberals".

[Boudica the Lyoness]

124. I'm 57

What the hell are you doing talking to me. For all you know I could be off my fucking rocker!

You wrote, "Because, again...I doubt very much this is about trying to change someone's mind. It's more about putting someone else down".

Yet you seem to think it's all right to disregard people as mentally incompetent based on age.

How about when you see a person with different colour skin than yours? Do you look down your nose at them and think they are not even worth bothering with because there's a chance they have less education than you? Are you telling me that's not "totally possible" because you are convinced that people in their 60's might have alzheimers and so should be treated as such?

Stop judging people you don't even know or even met.

[pipi_k]

126. I think you are so angry you're not even understanding what I'm saying

I don't "look down on" older people because I think they might have a cognitive disorder.

I treat them with respect. Compassion.

And I do this because it just MIGHT be possible that anything unreasonable they say or do could be from some brain disorder.

You may not know this, but it's also possible that an older person could have a physical problem which could cause a change in thinking and personality. I learned this from the six months I spent caring for my dying MIL in my home. No symptoms. No fever. But she had a drastic personality change. It was a UTI. She also had pneumonia we didn't know about.


You should take your own advice to me about not judging others whom you do not know. In your post above you have basically accused me of racism...other posts you have accused me of ageism. You've called me rude.

And I'm telling you that people who go around assuming others have the same mental or physical abilities they do are the ones with the problems. Joe Blow in the local WalMart might spout off some pretty obnoxious stuff, but there might be a perfectly legitimate reason, and he doesn't need to be verbally assaulted for something he might not be able to help.

[aggiesal]

109. I love these stories!!!

Open mouth.
Insert foot.
Chew vigorously.

Well done.

:toast: :thumbsup: :fistbump: :applause: :patriot:

[fortyfeetunder]

117. Congratulations!

Sometimes truth needs to be said and I am glad you spoke up. Thank you!

[zip49]

118. ??

Sometimes the funniest things are unintentional..Like this word salad.

You must feel like quite the hero after "laying into" that senior citizen..

The only person who seems to be concerned with race is you!

[lunatica]

129. White bigots always assume that if you're white you're just like them

They whisper their hate filled filth at you with their hand hiding their mouth so no one can see what they're saying. And they do this about everyone who isn't white. It's always disgusting.

[Hubert Flottz]

130. You did a good thing.

Face to face they don't have a leg to stand on.

[Crunchy Frog]

131. I'm sorry, but that sounds really revolting.

I'm talking about your post title, not the content. :)

[oasis]

132. Solid. (nt)

[RegieRocker]

135. Good for you!

I had a Republican tell me when George Bush was in Office and running up the deficit that it's ok things have changed that more money coming in enabled a higher deficit. LOL I could've hit him with my soda bottle. I refrained. 9 Trillion dollars for bailout while BUSH was in office. It's Bush's 9 Trillion give away not Obamas!