Why should I pray for a member of someone's family who was diagnosed

[JanMichael]

with a dreadful disease for "financial help" when the person asking voted Republican and resists any conversation about single payer healthcare because it's socialist?

Seriously?

I don't want to see people suffer, but PRAY? How about get HEALTH CARE?

Sometimes I could just scream.

[Gman]

1. 99.9999% of "christian" conservatives and other right wingers lie when they say they'll pray

for someone. It's just a free thing to say that doesn't cost a thing and no one checks anyway. Besides, praying would involve some form or caring about another human who they really don't give a damn about to begin with unless it's them or a their family. But then their friends don't give a damn either.

[JanMichael]

2. This is a person on FB

asking for prayers for older relatives who are about to lose their healthcare bennies, and the wife was just diagnosed with cancer.

[Angry Dragon]

3. Tell them to go talk to their republican congress person

they are in a better position to help

[Psephos]

4. Do you really allocate grace and karma based on a person's political beliefs?

Wow.

That's called dehumanization, and has led to some of history's most heinous and gruesome atrocities. Not only can dehumanized humans can be treated cruelly without burden of conscience, but that cruelty even starts to feel like moral propriety.

[JanMichael]

5. Wtf are you talking about? I allocate grace and karma? ummmmm no

I don't have that kind of power.

When a person VOTES in the HOPE that health care remains an expensive commodity, and that people's lives don't matter to them....why the hell should they expect magical forces to step in and help them when they need it?

I don't care if you are a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim or a Pagan....really, I don't. At this point, whatever you believe is your personal myth...and I have nothing against it. However a vote...health care is something tangible that is within reach NOW...not something we PRAY for.

[Psephos]

11. Mercy for all...who think like me.

Fuck the rest of 'em!

Dress it up however you like.

[JanMichael]

14. That's the Republican motto. Thank you. We finally agree, except for ONE thing

You forgot to mention "and people who look like me."

[hayu_lol]

6. Doesn't cost anyone a thing to donate...

a few good thoughts for a better outcome. When it comes to poverty, disease, and death...politics should not be a consideration.

[JanMichael]

7. and it's pretty cheap to vote too.

and to act like you give a rat's ass about humanity as a whole.

[Greyhound]

29. You speak of "political beliefs" as if they were a hobby or a sect that one

simply born into that bears no consequence.

If you think this is cruelty, come on out to Las Vegas. I'll take you on a little tour of the cruelty of indifference and so-called conservatism in operation. Ever seen a 5 year old kid that has never once seen a doctor, has eaten nothing but fast food, and suffers from both obesity and diseases normally seen only in children that have been severely malnourished? How would you like to have a one-on-one with a 60 year old woman that has been beaten and raped so many times that the police won't even take a report from her any more?

I've got plenty more for you if you have the stomach for it. How about the 57 year old man that holds an engineering degree, helped to develop the 8086 architecture, but last year had a heart attack at his desk in the shitty call center he works at but refused to leave because he knew he would be fired for missing work. The same call center that has had three TB outbreaks in the last two years but doesn't worry about the health dept. closing them down because they are "a major employer" and are politically protected from any repercussions.

We are a completely immoral society. We have been forever, but there was a brief time that we were getting better. Now we have undone all of that and argue in support of "Democrats" that happily ignore Dickensian suffering an injustice while congratulating themselves for creating the "Plutonomy".

Now, tell me all about "dehumanizing."

[Swamp Rat]

30. Amen, brother!

!!!

[CountAllVotes]

8. praying for financial help

I'd say go right on ahead and pray. It might help.

Even God has a blind eye at times I've noted.

[Skittles]

9. you just need to wish them the best and help if you can

because it's the humane thing to do for someone who is ill

[JanMichael]

12. OK, well....I'll try to work one up. It's kinda hard when one person in the marriage

is an Agnostic or Atheist depending on the mood, and the other is damn near a pagan...you know?

[Iggo]

26. Fucking atheists!!!!111!!!1

:rofl:

[JanMichael]

15. heh. Changed it when you realized who you were talking to, eh?

How are you? ;)

[Skittles]

16. naw, the prayer thing

I don't understand prayer, ever

doing alright; could be better but I imagine that describes pretty much everyone :)

[madmom]

10. You pray that they get what they deserve.

[iamjoy]

13. Pray For Single Payer

and tell them that you will pray for single payer to come to this country so they won't ever have to worry about getting health insurance due to pre-existing conditions.

[laughingliberal]

17. I'm fairly agnostic but I will pray for people when asked no matter who they are.

I don't wish ill on them. If they have awful politics, I might offer up a little prayer for them to see the light, too.

[Canuckistanian]

18. Can prayer bring financial help?

What are the stats on that? What are the prayer-to-profit ratios?

I may have a new career.

[canetoad]

22. Your waiting for

Single prayer health cover.

[Merlot]

19. It's like when god sent the rescue helicopter to the guy on the roof

you know the story...water rising, guy stuck on roof, prays for rescue. declines the boats and helicopter rescues because he waiting for god to rescue him. ends up drowning. god sez: I sent you a helicopter!

god works through people: boat drivers, helicopter pilots, and people who voter for single payer.

[awoke_in_2003]

20. "Prayer...

how to do nothing and still think you are helping"

[saras]

21. Pray for them to get what they deserve

You can pray that God does the right thing for them. It's not your decision whether they should live or die, or how they should die, it's God's decision.

If you really feel mean you can pray that they get to work through, in this lifetime, all the karma they have ever accumulated, and finally become liberated.

[Dappleganger]

23. I pray for stupid people.

Especially if they have innocent children who don't get to choose their parents.

[The Second Stone]

24. Tell them that you will and that you voted for them to have

medical help and will always vote for their friends and relatives to have medical help. As well as all the strangers.

If they can figure it out, they may change their way of thinking, and if they cannot, just remember that many people are blindingly stupid.

[Hannah Bell]

25. because when a friend is gravely ill, it's not the time to get into political disputes?

you can bet that the victim & their family will be thinking about these issues, whatever face they put on.

just be kind & let bitter experience do its work, it's the best teacher.

[JVS]

28. Never underestimate how willfully stupid people are.

It would be better to simply denounce them and their totally fucked views at the kid's funeral.

[Hannah Bell]

32. people will cling to any nonsense if you get their back up.

soft is better than hard in a lot of cases. i think life-threatening illness is one.

but the picture of someone denouncing them at the funeral made me laugh.

[JVS]

27. you could troll the fuck out of them to make a point

[Raine]

31. Pray that they get what they deserve for the life they have lived

in that way you wouldn't be wishing ill on them, only whatever they deserve. :shrug: A higher power will decide.