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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:55 AM
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My teabagger dad's wife was laid-off last week
It was sooo hard for me not to say " So OBVIOUSlY she isn't going to sign up for any of those government hand out programs like UNEMPLOYMENT" But I didnt. I held my tongue while he told me how he was panicking about signing up for Medicaid and Medicare because her insurance was gone and she was signing up for Unemployment and they were looking in to what they qualified for as far as assistance goes.

I hate the old drunk, but I figured I would be the bigger person, kind of. All I said was, "Well you better sign up fast because your buddies take over in January and they are out to get you!"
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:00 AM
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1. I am no longer nice to them.
You see how far "being nice" has got Obama?


TG, NTY, NMFTB
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:05 AM
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2. Way to rub salt in that wound!
I'm seriously impressed by how supportive you are of your father. And you come here to brag about it.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. do you have a concept of the hypocrisy some of us have to live with? all my family extreme rw mouth
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 09:10 AM by seabeyond
years of listening to them gang up on the "flaming liberal". all the fox news watching lies of reality. years of listening to how the pc liberal has ruined school, make kids gay, ect...

and then watch them use the services. them making poor choices. them fuckin up their lives. then, them using food stamps. and the audacity, as they take handouts, bitch about democratic "welfare queens".

your post feels along the lines of someone sittin in a blue state, dissing those of us in red states dealing with this crap. easy to be pompous.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:19 AM
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6. Sooner or later people have to grow up.
After eight years of * and shooter and now the dregs of the Tea Party, Americans are pretty disgusted and yes tested to their last nerve.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #6
44. schadenfreude is immature and lowly behavior and
the OP asked what I thought of it.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. The OP never said anything about glee or delight about the unemployment, which
would have indicated shadenfreude. I think the OP was incredibly restrained under the circumstances. Why the hell shouldn't people point out that these people are voting against their interests & being hypocritical about things like unemployment? I don't even care if it's at such a low point. People need to get, one way or another, that their votes have very real and personal consequences. The midterm votes were all about emotion & believing the lies fed by tea party candidates & Republicans. Belief without one iota of effort put into understanding what's real vs what's bullshit. Sorry, no pity here. They've doomed ALL of us with their idiotic votes and I'm supposed to baby them? Hell no.

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #57
87. exactly
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
60. Schadenfreude and you aren't reading anything into the OP?
:rofl: Oh stop it, you're killing me.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. I think you scored a point on that one.
And I love your delightful personality.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #62
79. +1 nt
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #62
98. crikkett, did it ever occur to you that there are people out there who
just don't "get it" until they go through the pain?

That's not schadenfreude. It's 'just desserts'.

When the people who protest against "socialized medicine" then turn directly around and say they need it now, they deserve the pain and difficulty of not being able to easily get it. When people who say that the unemployed must be "just lazy because there's lots of jobs out there" find themselves denied an unemployment check because the money's not there, they need to take their own advice and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

But it's more than that. These are the sorts of people who will gladly accept help from family when times are tough for themselves, but when those same family members then need help, turn their backs because "you need to take personal responsibility". I give better than even odds that the people talked about in the OP would do exactly that just on the basis of their being teabaggers.

PEople like this need to experience the pain personally, without any help of any kind, before they will "get it". There are literally hundreds of millions of people in this world that are exactly like that, and when times are tough for them, no, they don't deserve the help they've been protesting against other people getting.

We all love the part of "A Christmas Carol" where the Ghost of Christmas Future shows Scrooge his grave, because that's the part of the film where we see the bulb being to light up over his head. He only ever "got it" in that movie when he finally realized that "it" was going to happen to him.

It's not schadenfreude. It's a well-deserved wake-up call.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #98
106. Hey, I get it, and got it good.
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 11:20 AM by crikkett
However, I advocate graciousness towards family in trouble.

Robyn66's dad will go through the education you describe regardless of her actions. Robyn66 had a choice of being supportive and welcoming her dad to her side, or being unsupportive with a snarky "I told you so".

She came here to report that she chose "I told you so". There was plenty of time to do that later, don't you think?

Whether she was enjoying it or not, I don't know. I do know that she wrote "I hate the old drunk" and that strong emotional language kind of put me off her.

Unfortunately. Because I chose strong emotional language in my own response.

Are we, here, just as ignorant and unkind as the people whose politics we oppose? Is American society so superficial that you should expect unilateral support from 165,111 users when you go to a democratic/liberal discussion board to tell the story about how you (apparenty) mistreated your own father the moment you had a chance, with the excuse that you're "correcting" his politics?

We treat our dogs better than we treat each other.









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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. Tough love.
The father shall reap what he has sown.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #2
9. You clearly have little or no experience with....
dysfunctional teabag relatives. Some people are just toxic and at times we are unfortunately related to them. Without direct knowledge of their relationship I'm not inclined to pass judgment.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #9
43. consider what information the OP presents
1) a person's child says their father is a teabagger who is suddenly in need and very afraid.
2) That teabagger suddenly needs the assistance of programs they currently campaign against.
3) Seeing their father in need, the OP's response is snark.
4) OP then brings their schadenfreude here, seeking validation.

My observation of this ugly behavior is made without reading anything into the OP.

I believe you're among the people making all sorts of assumptions by way of apologizing for the OP's bad behavior.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #43
59. LOL! You have got to be kidding. You aren't reading into the OP?
Where did you get that the father was suddenly in need and very afraid? That is not mentioned anywhere. His wife was laid off. Maybe they don't really need her salary to get by. We don't know that. My sister-in-law was laid off last year and while she collected benefits for awhile her layoff really didn't impact the family's finances all that much because they were accustomed to living below their means. It may very well be that this family needs the wife's family, but based on the OP we just don't know. You read that into the OP.

Not once does the OP indicate whether the asistance is required for survival, nor does the OP say anything about the father's state of mind. He was afraid? And you know this how?

The OP's comment could be interpreted as snarky or a joke depending upon how it was delivered. Granted, it probably was snarky, but given that the father is a teabagger with predictable attitudes towards policy, not an exceptionally hateful comment.

Not sure where you are seeing the OP "seeking validation." That would be you reading into the OP. I see someone venting on a site where you are just as likely to get trashed as validated. Your response to the OP being a classic case in point. Why would someone seeking validation risk being chastized by someone like you?

I have to hand it to you. It's been awhile since I've seen this much self-righteousness ooze from a single post.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. Reading is Fundamental
You: "Not once does the OP indicate whether the asistance is required for survival, nor does the OP say anything about the father's state of mind. He was afraid? And you know this how?"

OP: "he told me how he was panicking about signing up for Medicaid and Medicare because her insurance was gone"


Here you go, poor thing, I've spelled it out for you:

he told me >> state of mind

he was panicking >> he was afraid

her insurance was gone >> survival

"And you know this how?" >> I UNDERSTAND ENGLISH.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. Your comments here are nasty and vile...
Talk about hypocrisy. How does one actually get around that in their own mind? I'm curious. The OP can't hold a candle to your behavior here.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. & you're a paragon of rational thought
:hi:
These are very interesting reactions to calling out bad behavior (I consider telling someone who's down on their luck "I told you so" to be bad behavior).
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #61
112. Still not too convinced about that one...
"I UNDERSTAND ENGLISH..."

Still not too convinced about that one...
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #61
117. Maybe he was "panicking" about the process of signing up.. not fear of survival...
but fear of becoming "one of those people"...

:shrug:

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #59
89. OP said his father was panicking.
That usually implies fear.

I would say the last sentence was snarky. It certainly doesn't seem the most sympathetic post I've seen about someone losing their job.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #89
95. My father panics if he cant find the tv remote
or his bottle. He is NOT in danger of losing his home or in financial need.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #89
97. OP said he was panicking about signing up for government programs.
That could be anxiety about red tape, not necessarily fearing for his very existence. Whether it is anxiety about red tape or fear related to the job loss, both interpretations are "reading into the OP."

The difference between Crikkett and me is that I will freely admit to "reading into the OP" where that individual will not.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #43
83. You have no clue what you are talking about
clearly you desperately need attention, otherwise you would not be obviously trying to draw such negative attention to yourself.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #83
90. Well maybe you didn't intend to sound that way...
But your post does seem a little less than sympathetic.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #43
92. You know, not everyone is automatically deserving of love and respect
simply by virtue of having fathered a child. The O.P. is using a story from his/her own life to illustrate what we all know to be the hypocrisy of the Tea Party -- bitching about "government handouts" until oops! They actually NEED them. Would it be okay with you if it was the mailman or the next door neighbor instead of the father? Sheesh.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. You have no idea
what an alchoholic and abusive man he is and how he fucked up me and my brothers, and never mind some pretty shitty stuff he said and did when I was going through breast cancer a few years ago so dont judge.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #10
19. I had bad family.
I grew up, got wise and cut them out of my life.

If you have family members as bad as you say they are then you are a fool to still allow them to be close to you. If your family members are as bad as you say and you post about them on an open forum on the Internets then don't chastise those who form and express an opinion.

Family is optional. Choose the good, throw away the bad and form a new family from friends. Passive aggression towards others is not dealing with the problem.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. "Passive aggression?" I'm just not seeing it.
""Well you better sign up fast because your buddies take over in January and they are out to get you!""

I don't see any passive aggression in that. Looks to me like a simple statement of fact, not even to mention, darn good advice to people who don't seem real swift about figuring things out for themselves.

And it seems to me that an anonymous message board is the perfect place to vent feelings that need venting -- nobody gets insulted or hurt.

Opinions differ, obviously. That's why we call it a "discussion" board, eh?
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #24
35. I was replying to #10, not the OP.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #19
26. Most people don't cut family out of their life
I'd say doing that is rather my way or the highway. Not a sign of strength necessarily.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #26
37. Most people allow bad family to hurt them.
others people push their opinions that family is somehow required.

As for your opinion "I'd say doing that is rather my way or the highway. Not a sign of strength necessarily.", it is rather black or white and suggesting that others should allow hurtful people to pollute their lives is certainly not a sign of personal strength. Strong people stand up for themselves and refuse to be victimized.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. You said it!
:thumbsup:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #37
109. Necessarily is a term that indicates not black and white
And you were the one who condescendingly suggested to the OP that he is weak for still having his father in his life. You were the one who brought up the idea. The OP obviously is no where near that point.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #109
115. Then the Op can continue to suffer at the hands of abusive family.
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 02:22 PM by Gold Metal Flake
OP's choice. No need for OP to come here, start a thread about abusive people and then tell others how they can't have opinions because they can't possibly understand OP's pain. :eyes: I'm sure OP can address me directly if OP has any problem with my posts. Also, OP indicates in her profile that she is female, not male as your post suggests.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #26
69. I cut out 2 who were very hurtful and have nothing to do with them.
The others are fine.

The two I cut out were/are extremely abusive to those around them.

I don't volunteer for abuse.

To stay civil with them took more energy than I wanted to spend.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #26
93. Some people have to cut family out of their lives.
It's not up to you or me to judge others when we've never lived in their houses.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #19
32. I'm always a little put off by "one size fits all" advice.
Especially in situations like this where details and histories are unknown.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #19
40. I see no chastising beyond yours, simply pointing out that we know our own situations but not others
and judging them on inadequate knowledge is wrong. Glad you are happy with your choices, but "you are a fool" is passing judgment without direct knowledge of their relationship., in case you do not understand what I mean.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
46. sweetheart, even if you said that in your OP, your behavior was no better than your dad's.
You asked us all to judge you, and I used nothing but the information I was presented.

May your family heal from all its problems.
:hug:
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. I didn't ask for anything from you
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 02:18 PM by Robyn66
and you have the right to ignore posts you don't agree with. But apparently, you have the need to validate your own ego by imposing your judgment on me, especially using such demeaning language as "sweetheart". For your information, I have survived a horrific childhood, I am also a rape survivor and a cancer survivor. I do not need someone on a message board to validate anything. I would put you on my ignore list but that grants you importance you do not deserve. So enjoy your pot shots, I hope they give you the self esteem you seem to need.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #55
65. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #65
78. Denigrating and mocking a fellow DUer isn't
very mature moral behavior either.

While you are up there on Mt. Ethics, why not try on a little graciousness and follow the age old advice that if you don't have anything nice to say, Don't.

Of course, if you'd rather troll her thread with nothing constructive to contribute... by all means you have your rights.

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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #65
94. Holy crap! You are so judgmental.
Move on already. You're just picking on the OP at this point.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #94
107. You're right, I'm sorry for that. nt
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #55
82. People who haven't lived with drunks don't know how vile they can make one's life.
Everybody thinks about the alcoholic but never the lives they effect. Ever.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #2
20. Shit I argue with my parents all the time.
Both of my parents are conservative. I argue politics with them all the time. My dad and step-mom came to visit over thanksgiving. We were arguing over the mortgage crisis. He was telling me how "the liberals" loosened up the regulations, "forcing" banks to lend to people who couldn't afford loans (minorities). I told him that was bullshit and directed him to that NPR/This American Life segment that interviewed the people making those loans, making $100K a month in commissions, and how they were absolutely desperate to loan to anyone with a pulse - nobody - certainly not the government - was twisting their arms to make loans. Finally my 5-year-old got upset and told us to stop arguing. :)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
48. Your parents weren't panicking over a financial disaster...
...and I argue with my parents too, but not to the point of kicking them when they're down. And if I did, I wouldn't come here seeking approval for my action.

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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. Congratulations on your moral character.
Hopefully some day we can all be as good as you.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. If you ever need me
give a little whistle
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #63
73. Here you go!


:)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #2
23. OK but don't let me see you complaining about bipartisanship
around here!

So Republicans are people too. They should not have to suck up the consequences of their politics, either.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #2
36. You must eat a lot of your own vomit.
If you live your life listening to the kind of
puke the OP has put up with and counsel her to
"be supportive" of this jerk.

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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
49. That jerk was her father, in a panic.
That's not something I find agreeable.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. If my father was a jerk, I'd call him one.
My father happened to have been a saint.

St. Alan, patron saint of Procrastinators.

When he told me once he didn't want me to
date a black man, I called him a racist.

He apologized years later.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #52
66. So would I, but not when he's "in a panic"
there's a time and place for everything.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. Oh, believe me, he was "in a panic" at the time. n/t
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. Oh you mean, when he told you not to date a black guy?
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 05:33 PM by crikkett
That's kind of funny. But isn't it also different from a Dad facing financial disaster?

As Pacifist Patriot showed upthread, I probably read more schadenfreude into the OP than there was, but that was the basis of my complaint. I thought she enjoyed what she told her Dad and then came here to boast about it.
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #49
101. I will have to agree here,
the father's abusiveness aside, the poster had a chance to demonstrate that she had grown beyond his failings and shown compassion for a man that had shown none during her life.

A simple "I am sorry" and an empty offer of "I am here for you" would have taken no more effort and had a more solid impact on him and the error of his ways than any "I told you so" verbal kick in the ribs.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #101
102. How easy to say when you aren't the one in the room.
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:16 PM
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110. Just as easy for the person in the room
We all face adversity, and we all make choices.
We can choose to rise above, or we can choose to wallow.

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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. You know what you are right
I have risen above, that is why I have a healthy marriage and two wonderful children and why I deal with the drunk abusive asshole that is my father as little as possible.

And that is why I don't look for approval from people on message boards who apparently have a bit of a tough time dealing with reality if they think their opinion or approval matters to anyone on a message board.
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:10 PM
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119. Good for you
I think most of us have had to "divorce" toxic releatives or friends and it is always as difficult as a real divorce.

I have had to deal with toxic relatives in order to spend time with the worthwhile ones on occasion.

I go with the "do unto others" route every time I am there.

I don't pass judgement on message boards, but I am not above presenting options.
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #49
104. Father doesn't automatically = Love and respect.
Just because he had kids doesn't make him a Daddy. It makes him successful at spreading his genes around. That's it. I'm very familiar with the adage that family you CHOOSE can be much closer than family you're born with.

I may not have said exactly what the OP said in their position, however- knowing and having lived with abuse myself I don't blame the OP one bit. In fact, I think she was remarkably restrained.

It boggles the mind that you are so high and mighty about this. I read through this thread and all I can do is shake my head at you. I hope you never have to go through the situation where someone you are supposed to love, trust and feel safe with is instead a viper ready to bite your face.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:22 PM
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56. I suspect that America would not be in this mess if more folks
stood up to the RW crap?
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
77. I agree with you.
I should have added a plea for compassion for the teabaggers who find themselves coming around to our point of view after joining the ranks of the unemployed & uninsured.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:42 AM
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108. Hello "Pot" meet the "Kettle" (nt)
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:43 PM
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64. Screw that. It was EXACTLY the right time to remind him of his positions and how they affect people.
The OP wasn't gratuitous about it, at least not from what they posted here.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get people with deeply entrenched beliefs to change their minds and "get it"?

Morton Downey Jr. ring a bell? Look what had to happen to him.

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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. I think I agree with you on this
it's a stretch to say that the OP was gratuitous.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #2
70. You're the only one with a hand full of salt right now...
I think the response was appropriate. I hope the guy learns from his situation.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:06 AM
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3. well good luck to them...
medicare is for people 65 and over. medicaid is up to the state. another teabagger discovers the real world of america
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. Well, There Is The Public Option for Healthcare
...oh wait...
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:15 AM
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5. Good! "My teabagger dad's wife was laid-off last week." n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:22 AM
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8. You have more restraint than I.
At Thanksgiving, I learned one of my teabagger relatives was laid off the week before and told her I thought it was a shame her children were going to starve since she opposed government hand out programs and didn't think she should pay taxes to fund them. She gave me a blank look so I told her it was obvious she wouldn't be filing for unemployment benefits. She couldn't exactly advocate cutting everyone else off and then put her hand out at the same time since that would make her a hypocrit and what kind of message would that send to her daughters. Needless to say, we didn't speak for the rest of the day.

I really feel for her girls because it's going to be a tough holiday season and I'll do what I can to help them, but I just couldn't resist. I'm sick of this shit.

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:59 AM
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27. I'm glad you said that to her. I'm sick of this shit too. nt
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
47. mee too. n/t
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:05 AM
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30. They don't look at it that way
My father, who has been unemployed for the last 5 or so years, is finally old enough for Medicaid. When I questioned him about signing up for that "socialist health care program" he just said he didn't have a problem with doing so because he paid into it for so many years. They don't see it as a handout since they paid into it.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. I hear you.
A lot of my family looks at it that way too. They equate their past taxes with some sort of personal savings plan. It's a tough one.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:42 AM
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39. What I don't understand...
What I don't understand is why they are totally cool with us spending as much on military as the rest of the world combined but they can't spare a damn dime for someone who is poor. Damn! Even if there are a few people who take advantage of the system it's got to be cheaper than our military expenditures!

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:32 AM
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12. You Are Either Born with Compassion and Empathy, Or You Learn Them Through Experience
The only way these teabaggers are ever going to stop listenting to Fox, Rush, Sean, et al. is when the reality of their lives contradict the propaganda that they hear.

Going through personal hard times is the only way these people are ever going to learn.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Only if they haven't already paid for the services
If they have, then the only thing they are going to learn is that you get what you pay for.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. But wait, what about that quote that I never asked for help
when I was on unemployment and medicare? Remember, when a RW is on public assistance, it is NOT public assistance; they are STILL being rugged individualist bootstrappers.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:05 AM
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31. They are, after all, the "deserving poor" we've all heard about.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 11:06 AM by PassingFair
:puke:

They don't have a problem with helping
people who look, sound and believe like
they do.

Why do you think the faith-based initiatives
are such a big hit?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. I'm going to go with learn through experience.
And the poster was fortunate in learning beyond his family. Otherwise, would had turned out like them if it was a birth trait.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #12
28. A-fricking-men!

"Going through personal hard times is the only way these people are ever going to learn. "



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StarlightGold Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #12
29. You'd think...
But me and my family went through great struggles when lay-offs happened to us a few years ago. My old man actually looked me in the eye and said, rather forcefully.."No one owes you a job. Corporations that get tax-breaks are only doing what's good for business when they get rid of American jobs and hire overseas. That's just good business." Said those words to me, his child, knowing what we went through with joblessness. I say this as an adult, but I truly wish I had different parents. I know that kids say that when going through rebellion, but most grow to appreciate their folks. Not me. I'm at the giving-up point as far as even discussing things with him anymore. And yes...his patron saint is Rush Limbaugh. Nice to have your own parent show such a poisonous attitude towards you. :(
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:00 PM
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50. I agree. n/t
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #12
72. Amen!
Sad, but true.

Some people have to piss on the electric fence for themselves:)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:57 AM
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15. And by holding your tongue you are showing yourself to be a good person
Just remember the next time he goes off about all those liberal guber-mint programs
just smile at him.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:04 AM
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16. And, that's all you needed to say.
I will have to remember that when my rightwinger acquaintances start bitching about not getting pay hikes at their federal jobs. If their buddies had any say so, these people wouldn't have jobs at all.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:10 AM
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17. Just remind her that the real problem is that she is obviously
lazy and unmotivated.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #17
22. As her RepubliCronies will be quick to think
Only with RepubliConism & TeaBagliConsim are peeps manipulated to vote against their own interests, and to vote for the interests of fatcat tax-dodging chickenhawk a-holes.

Who'd a thunk it could happen here?
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #17
38. Yea seriously
Should've told her McDonald's is always hiring

That's unless she prefers to sit on her ass all day scarfing down Bon-Bons.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:46 AM
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21. they'll be fine. they have top of the line bootstraps on the Right.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:50 AM
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25. Republicans I know are the biggest USERS of social programs
I know one guy who HATES unions and refuses to join one. Now complains cuz the company has all family and church members in management - blocking him.

But he bought a new Honda SUV to park at his $500K house while collecting food stamps. Mommy, socialism, and delusions of Reaganism.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:08 AM
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34. You're a saint. What an opening to trash teabaggery.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:06 PM
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41. I laughed when I read this part...
I hate the old drunk, but I figured I would be the bigger person, kind of. All I said was, "Well you better sign up fast because your buddies take over in January and they are out to get you!"

don't know what that says about me but I found it funny....and I have "divorced" toxic family members....it's very painful but necessary.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:04 PM
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53. I 'divorced' my evil older siblings too.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:41 PM
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42. You should point out that Republicans are blocking unemployment payments
See what he says.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:00 PM
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51. you showed excellent restraint
And your comment at the end may or may not have been snark -- but it certainly was true.

Maybe now that he's in need, your teabagger dad will change how he votes. Too bad it took bad things happening to *him* to learn compassion, but whatever it takes...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:04 PM
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54. I would mock and scare them for fun.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:28 PM
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75. "I hate the old drunk"?
As a person who has lost both his parents, I sincerely hope that you find a way to make peace.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:44 AM
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86. I lost my mother to lung cancer 16 years ago
he has a new wife. I hope so to. But not until he stops drinking. (I know a lot of people here are anti-religion) but the minister at my church gave me some really good counciling about this because I have one daughter who is a teen and another who is pre-teen and I have had to find ways around inviting him to birthday parties and holidays because he gets roaring drunk. I dont serve alcohol but he brings his own. So I arrange separate events or make up excuses. But I still felt terrible about it but my minister said, "it sounds like being around him is like volunteering to be punched in the face" and that was true. It realy feels like that, so it has made it a little easier for me to stand my ground and separate us from him because of the drinking.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:12 AM
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80. Karma very often kicks one in the ass...
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:26 AM
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81. You should have told them to take a moral stand....
Don't sign up for anything, that'll show the government. :sarcasm: ;)
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #81
84. That was what I wanted to say
but I figured under the circumstances that was just mean. He isnt in financial pain by any stretch. He flies in to a full blown fit if he cant find the tv remote. He is a class A drama queen.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:43 AM
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85. I couldn't help but think that the RW/teabag crowd or any folks who voted
in the "throw em out" model- would not be pleased with the cold-winter, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, meme of the incoming Republican House. There's a sad irony there with extended unemployment benefits running out yesterday. :(


I still cannot understand why taking care of our own- sick, older, unemployed, kids, etc. is such a bitter pill for them to swallow, while the military can receive endless money for war. It's just disgusting and inhumane.
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:47 AM
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88. Especially
when they dont even want to take care of the military when they come home!
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:58 AM
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91. My sister -in - law, the one who cares to talk about nothing except what's in People magazine
and Vogue and who I know is jealous, threatened, and uncomfortable when people have a serous discussion about ANYTHING, mentioned to me ( the loudest Democrat in the family) that she LOVES Sarah Palin's new show.

I replied( this was on Thanksgiving): "Really? Have you watched both shows shown so far?"

She answered smugly" Oh yes, she's great"

Me in retort, "According to what I've read, her second episode lost 40% of viewers from the week before and the ones remaining are from the worst demographic group any sponsor could want"

Her reply? Open mouth gaping.

I walked away.

At the table, while at dinner she looked at me and said - "I don't care what anyone thinks, I like Sarah Palin"

Me, fed up with my sister-in law's ignorance on every important matter of the day going back the 22 years she's been married to my brother looked right at her and said : "I really wonder when ignorance became a virtue, because that's what I think she is:ignorant. She is ignorant about vitally important issues that matter to this country....I really think that's what bothers me the most about her ~her ignorance."

Conversation stopper.

I will not coddle tea bag leaning idiots anymore, even if they are in my family.

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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:17 AM
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96. Isn't it funny how these teabaggers when they lose everything suddenly become liberal democratics.
Instead of working before the bridge falls down. What bastards. I hope people like her have a very hard time.
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ConnecticutDan2 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:49 AM
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100. No thanks to SB1070
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:07 AM
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105. Funny how teabaggers think they are entitled
The father is panicking about signing up for Medicaid and Medicare because her insurance is gone.
When it comes to their own security, it seems that teabaggers think that they are suddenly living in Sweden.
They will receive nothing, just like the rest of us.
Unless she is over 65 she is not eligible for Medicare.
Unless her income is under $10,300 a year, she is not eligible for Medicaid.
Unless she has zero assets, she is not eligible for public assistance.
She will get 26 weeks of unemployement and then she will be cut off and left to fend for herself.

At the risk of snark, I say to the Mr. and Mrs. Teabag: Welcome to my world.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:20 PM
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114. The teabagger in question is getting what they deserved.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:17 PM
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113. DO NOT PLAY NICE WITH THEM!
These bastards have nothing but contempt for President Obama as well as anyone else who does not goosestep with them.
These pieces of horse manure are self centered pricks. They deserve to lose their benefits, regardless of the consequences.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:22 PM
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116. UE insurance isn't a handout...you pay into it.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:34 PM
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118. Good on you, I know it's hard to hold back. Every time my wife makes me hang out with her winger
family members I bite my tongue.
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