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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:19 PM
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Muttering, cursing, simply seething. So it's "Chicken Shit" says Boehner, about the vote today
I was listening with fury to the talking points of the Repukes they chose to interview on today's vote. I could not stomach them standing there and lying without conscience, the pontificating, the selfish evil attitudes they pretended to be completely in tune with.

Then I remembered M. Scott Peck's book called "The people of the Lie", and decided to poke about the web to refresh my memory of it.


First published in 1983, People of the Lie: The Hope For Healing Human Evil followed on from Peck's first book. Peck describes the stories of several people who came to him whom he found particularly resistant to any form of help. He came to think of them as evil and goes on to describe the characteristics of evil in psychological terms, proposing that it could become a psychiatric diagnosis.


Then I found the work someone did synopsizing passages and explain Peck's concept of evil people.
Page references are to where it is in the book, of course.

Sorry this is lengthy, I have no real way to shorten or link it.

My intention here is just to give you some food for thought about these people I see as evil and mad, and by presenting them as such one would think they ought to not deserve so much attention, so much equal time, so much care and feeding.
We should ignore them to death and forge on with the business of saving this country from destruction from within.

The characteristics of People of the Lie -

Refusal to acknowledge sin


It is necessary that we first draw the distinction between evil and ordinary sin. It is not their sins per se that characterize evil people…The central defect of the evil is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it.p 69

If evil people cannot be defined by the illegality of their deeds or the magnitude of their sins, then how are we to define them? The answer is by the consistency of their sins. While usually subtle, their destructiveness is remarkably consistent. This is because those who have “crossed over the line” are characterized by their absolute refusal to tolerate the sense of their own sinfulness.p 71

The evil hate the light–the light of goodness that shows them up, the light of scrutiny that exposes them, the light of truth that penetrates their deception.p 179 Rather than blissfully lacking a sense of morality, like the sociopath, they are continually engaged in sweeping the evidence of their evil under the rug of their own consciousness.p 76

The poor in spirit do not commit evil. Evil is not committed by people who feel uncertain about their righteousness, who question their own motives, who worry about betraying themselves. The evil in this world is committed by the spiritual fat cats, by the Pharisees of our own day, the self-righteous who think they are without sin because they are unwilling to suffer the discomfort of significant self-examination.
Unpleasant though it may be, the sense of personal sin is precisely that which keeps our sin from getting out of hand. It is quite painful at times, but it is a very great blessing because it is our one and only effective safeguard against our own proclivity for evil. p 71-72

Self Image of Perfection
Utterly dedicated to preserving their self-image of perfection, the evil are unceasingly engaged in the effort to maintain the appearance of moral purity. They worry about this a great deal. They are acutely sensitive to social norms and what others might think of them. Outwardly they seem to live lives that are above reproach. The words “image”, “appearance”, and “outwardly” are crucial to understanding the morality of the evil.p 75

Excessive intolerance of criticism
In Martin Buber’s words, the malignantly narcissistic insist upon “affirmation independent of all findings.” p 80 Self-criticism is a call to personality change…The evil are pathologically attached to the status quo of their personalities, which in their narcissism they consciously regard as perfect. I think it is quite possible that the evil may perceive even a small degree of change in their beloved selves as representing total annihilation. p 74

Scapegoating

Evil is the use of power to destroy the spiritual growth of others for the purpose of defending and preserving the integrity of our own sick selves. In short, it is scapegoating. p 119 A predominant characteristic…of the behavior of those I call evil is scapegoating. Because in their hearts they consider themselves above reproach, they must lash out at any one who does reproach them. They sacrifice others to preserve their self-image of perfection. p 73
Since the evil, deep down, feel themselves to be faultless, it is inevitable that when they are in conflict with the world they will invariably perceive the conflict as the world’s fault. Since they must deny their own badness, they must perceive others as bad.
They project their own evil onto the world. They never think of themselves as evil; on the other hand, they consequently see much evil in others…Evil, then, is most often committed in order to scapegoat, and the people I label as evil are chronic scapegoaters….The evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. p 73-74

Disguise and pretense

While they seem to lack any motivation to be good, they intensely desire to appear good. Their “goodness” is all on a level of pretense. It is, in effect, a lie. That is why they are the “people of the lie”. The wickedness of the evil is not committed directly, but indirectly as a part of this cover-up process. p 76
Those who are evil are masters of disguise; they are not apt to wittingly disclose their true colors–either to others or to themselves. p 104 Because they are such experts at disguise, it is seldom possible to pinpoint the maliciousness of the evil. The disguise is usually impenetrable p 76….Naturally, since it is designed to hide its opposite, the pretense chosen by the evil is most commonly the pretense of love. p 106

Intellectual deviousness

A reaction that the evil frequently engender in us is confusion. Describing an encounter with an evil person, one woman wrote, it was “as if I’d suddenly lost my ability to think”….This reaction is quite appropriate. Lies confuse. The evil are “the people of the lie”, deceiving others as they also build layer upon layer of self-deception.
I know now that one of the characteristics of evil is its desire to confuse. p 179

Greed

The evil are, in my experience, remarkably greedy people. Thus, they are cheap. p 72.

Unsubmitted will

If the central defect of the evil is not one of conscience, then where does it reside? The essential psychological problem of human evil, I believe is a particular variety of narcissism….The particular brand of narcissism that characterizes evil people seems to be one that particularly afflicts the will. p 80
Malignant narcissism is characterized by an unsubmitted will. All adults who are mentally healthy submit themselves one way or another to something higher than themselves, be it God or truth or love or some other ideal….They believe in what is true rather than what they would like to be true.
In summary, to a greater or lesser degree, all mentally healthy individuals submit themselves to the demands of their own conscience. Not so the evil, however….They are men and women of obviously strong will, determined to have their own way. p 78 Such people literally live “in a world of their own” in which the self reigns supreme. p 162

Coercion and control of others

Evil is the exercise of political power–that is, the imposition of one’s will upon others by overt or covert coercion–in order to avoid…spiritual growth…Because their willfulness is so extraordinary–and always accompanied by a lust for power–I suspect that the evil are more likely than most to politically aggrandize themselves…..There is a remarkable power in the manner in which they attempt to control others.p 78
In describing one of his patients, Peck says Charlene’s desire to make a conquest of me….to utterly control our relationship, knew no bounds. It seemed to be a desire for power purely for its own sake. p 176 She wanted the reigns in her hands every moment. p 158

Lack of empathy

Theirs is a brand of narcissism so total that they seem to lack, in whole or in part, the capacity for empathy…Their narcissism makes the evil dangerous not only because it motivates them to scapegoat others but also because it deprives them of the restraint that results from empathy and respect for others.
In addition to the fact that the evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well….The blindness of the narcissist to others can extend even beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists may not “see” others at all.
There are boundaries to the individual soul. And in our dealings with each other we generally respect these boundaries. It is characteristic of–and prerequisite for–mental health both that our own ego boundaries should be clear and that we should clearly recognize the boundaries of others. We must know where we end and others begin. p 136-137

Symbiotic relationship

Another form of devastation that narcissistic intrusiveness can create is the symbiotic relationship. “Symbiosis”–as we use the term in psychiatry–is not a mutually beneficial state of interdependence. Instead it refers to a mutually parasitic and destructive coupling. In the symbiotic relationship neither partner will separate from the other even though it would obviously be beneficial to each if they could. p 137
I doubt that it is possible for two utterly evil people to live together in the close quarters of a sustained marriage. They would be too destructive for the necessary cooperation….In every evil couple, if we could examine them closely enough, I image we would find one partner at least slightly in thrall to the other. p 119 For adults to be the victims of evil, they too must be powerless to escape….They may be powerless by virtue of their own failure of courage….bound by chains of laziness and dependency. p 119-120

Evil in families

It is my experience that evil seems to run in families. p 80 If evil were easy to recognize, identify and manage, there would be no need for this book. But the fact of the matter is that it is the most difficult of all things with which to cope. p 130 will contaminate or otherwise destroy a person who remains too long in its presence. p 65
The evil deny the suffering of their guilt–the painful awareness of their sin, inadequacy, and imperfection–by casting their pain onto the other through projection and scapegoating. They themselves may not suffer, but those around them do. The evil cause suffering. The evil create for those under their dominion a miniature sick society. p 123-124

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The kind of person who can call what happened today "Chicken Shit" is not worthy of being thought of as an equal human.

We have an obligation to find ways to disarm and neutralize these evil people and to not empower them further by giving them credibility. It is our primary job.

I feel a little better now for having ranted


:)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:22 PM
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1. Thanks - I saved it.
Good stuff.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:24 PM
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2. good heavens, did you actually think orange man was human?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:24 PM
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3. Wonderful read, thanks Mira...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:25 PM
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4. You should.
Great rant. And I admit that I consider myself as a different species of life on earth from their kind.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:28 PM
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5. If you think Boner is being ridiculous and childish today
wait till 2011 you are going to see things that will in fact destroy the House just as the Repugs have destroyed the Senate.

Bone and his colleagues are clueless, they are arrogant and they will violate all House rules.

Just wait...you think we are screwed now?
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:42 PM
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7. They all are ridiculous and childish
they stand there with their suits and their silly grins on, and they say the same things using the same words out of different mouths.
They get audience and air time for their bull shit posturing mostly based on nothing other than "equal time".

What is needed is a universal realization they deserve none of it, not our time and ear, not our energy, not our consideration, and certainly not our supporting the dissemination of any of their spewed useless unhelpful crap.

I don't know what it takes to stop how they are being given what they don't deserve.
It's as if we take the massively retarded out of an institution and parade their opinions to the public as equal to the rest of us.

We don't sufficiently call them on their purposeful deception and weaseling, better would be to not let it happen.
Instead we, through Fox News, attempt to create more and more clones of the imbecilic.

Here I go again...
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:34 PM
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6. M. Scott Peck is a good psych writer, thanks
I have read some of his earlier stuff, but this really resonates.

Part of my freaking frustration with things as they seem to be slipping into oligarchy is the absolute disregard for humanity, it galls me to no end.

I believe all I can do is try and form community in my own neck of the woods, because this evil has a very deep hold and it is close to imploding as well...maybe the best thing we can do is facilitate the implosion :shrug:
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:22 PM
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8. Rants are good for the soul
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:33 PM
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9. Boner is making me hate Oompa-Loompas.
Damn you, Willy Wonka!
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:57 PM
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10. !
k and giant R

When I heard that blathering sot mutter about "this maneuver" and refer to it as "chicken crap", I let fly with a stream of invective that would have my mother washing my mouth with soap for the next 50 years. That he actually holds elected office is stunning and more than a little frightening.

Hadn't thought about Peck's book in ages. Thanks for the very appropriately timed reminder. I'm sharing your rant with others who understand the vital nature of our continuing vigilance in preserving what's left of this country.


grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...................



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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:45 AM
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11. Look--it's Sarah Palin!
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 12:47 AM by tblue37
Excessive intolerance of criticism
In Martin Buber’s words, the malignantly narcissistic insist upon “affirmation independent of all findings.” p 80 Self-criticism is a call to personality change…The evil are pathologically attached to the status quo of their personalities, which in their narcissism they consciously regard as perfect. I think it is quite possible that the evil may perceive even a small degree of change in their beloved selves as representing total annihilation. p 74

Scapegoating

Evil is the use of power to destroy the spiritual growth of others for the purpose of defending and preserving the integrity of our own sick selves. In short, it is scapegoating. p 119 A predominant characteristic…of the behavior of those I call evil is scapegoating. Because in their hearts they consider themselves above reproach, they must lash out at any one who does reproach them. They sacrifice others to preserve their self-image of perfection. p 73

Since the evil, deep down, feel themselves to be faultless, it is inevitable that when they are in conflict with the world they will invariably perceive the conflict as the world’s fault. Since they must deny their own badness, they must perceive others as bad.

They project their own evil onto the world. They never think of themselves as evil; on the other hand, they consequently see much evil in others…Evil, then, is most often committed in order to scapegoat, and the people I label as evil are chronic scapegoaters….The evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. p 73-74
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:50 AM
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12. Sarah Palin to a T
Evil to the bone.
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