I remember getting mad when people said "I was drinking the kool-aid"....

[KansasVoter]

Now I think maybe I was! And at times feel stupid for it!
Has there ever been more momentum wasted?

[MrMickeysMom]

1. Nothing to do with being stupid, IMO

You wanted change so badly. He let us both down.

[Blue_In_AK]

2. The hope they were selling is a powerful drug.

You needn't feel stupid.

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[Poll_Blind]

3. "There Has Never Been Anything False About Hope"

PB

[Change has come]

4. Ouch. n/t

[blindpig]

19. 'Hope' itself is false.

Hope defers action, when we dispense with it, stop waiting around for some agency to redeem us, then we can begin to solve our problem for ourselves.

Remember Pandora's Box? Hope was the greatest evil contained therein.

[tigereye]

21. no, hope was the only thing left in the box, and a promise

Hope gives us the impetus to work ourselves for positive change and the idea that things will improve.

[blindpig]

25. Wrong

All the contents of the Box were evil. It was Zeus who decreed that Pandora close the Box before it got out, as a mercy. Yet confronted with the rest of the evils people despaired and cried out to heaven, so Zeus had Pandora release Hope. For Hope gave people the belief that the gods or some other agency would solve their problems for them, instead of solving their problems for themselves. Thus people suffer needlessly to this very day.

[tigereye]

40. I've never heard that interpretation

maybe I need to reread some passages. I've always thought of hope as a positive, and still do.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

33. +1

Very well said.

[tekisui]

22. Hope and Wait, in Spanish, have essentially the same meaning.

Hope, in a way, is fatalistic. It is not proactive, it is passive and accepting of the status quo.

[xultar]

5. I'd laugh but I'm so sick and angry I don't know what to do.

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[Fleshdancer]

8. "Has there ever been more momentum wasted?"

I don't know how to answer your question because I ask myself the same thing. Knowing this place, half of the people will applaud you and half of them will condemn you. If you're lucky, you'll get a few amazing responses that will keep you thinking for days. This is my hope for you. I wish I was in a place to give you that level of wisdom but unfortunately I'm just not there right now.

Good luck to you.

[udbcrzy2]

9. Me too

I keep thinking about that witch Palin saying, hows that hopey changey thing workin out for ya?
I really thought that things were going to change. I really believed they would.

[ohheckyeah]

10. In all things in life...

if it sounds too good to be true, it is.

[EFerrari]

11. Don't feel badly, KansasVoter.

It's not like you are alone, is it? :)

[Webster Green]

12. I convinced a bunch of my apolitical friends to vote in 2008.

Mostly laid back young hippie types. Some well informed on current events, some utterly clueless. I talked them into registering and voting. I told them I had a feeling this time would be different.

They won't be back. Not a fucking chance.

[Hannah Bell]

15. Have they talked to you about it?

[Webster Green]

27. More like laughed at me about it.

Oh well. A lot of people got suckered.

Our "leaders" are on the wrong side of so many issues, that it just seems hopeless.

Bradley Manning should be receiving the Presidential Medal Of freedom, not locked in solitary confinement.

Is BP still running the US Coast Guard, and the EPA, or was that a temporary deal?

I will continue to vote. I work for the County Board of Elections, so I'm involved in the process, but my heart will no longer be in it. My friends were right. It's just a fucking show.

[Mojorabbit]

42. Same here

and I talked up the health care legislation and the promise of a public option when he asked us to. I looked like a big sucker after that fiasco. It breaks my heart. Eight horrible years and then the miracle when we swept in and I knew things were going to get better and then ...

[MissDeeds]

13. You wanted to believe

and you did. It's not your fault you were let down. Hope, change and believe are powerful words. It's too bad that's all they are in this case.

[snagglepuss]

14. Guess how the Nobel Committee is feeling. Don't feel bad, Obama was

so believeable.

[Greyhound]

38. LOL! I heard somebody on the radio describe that as "giving him a prize for public speaking".

I hope that this lesson was well learned.

[KG]

16. never believed it for a minute. nothing about the dem party's direction the last 30 years

made me think obama, hillary, or anyone else was going the be anything but a milquetoast go-along-to-get-along politico.



really, looking to the dem party a an agent for hope and change is a total waste of time and energy.

[northernlights]

29. milquetoast go-along-to-get-along is rather too kind

nobody forced him to decide it was ok to assassinate American citizens without due process.
he chose to strongarm Spain (and who knows how many others) into not going after Bush/Cheney on rendition, and to override the Geneva Conventions.
He chose to create the catfood commission and chose its leaders.
He chose to lie through his teeth about a lot of stuff to get the job.

I'm moved on to pure evil, of Bush/Cheney ilk.

[Laelth]

34. +1 n/t

-Laelth

[mstinamotorcity]

17. I like my Kool-aid

Grape with sliced lemons in it. I think I'll take another glass. I have drank that piss water republicans called lemonade for 40 years.

[Poboy]

18. Wasted momentum. Yes, thats the biggest tragedy. We the people were READY

for significant structural change, we just needed a 'leader' who who articulate that path and plan.
Instead we got cowering and capitulation, coupled by scorn and ridicule toward us for actually wanting the things he campaigned on.

Momentum though, the possibilities seemed so great. A generational opportunity was pissed away.

[LeftinOH]

20. I had low expectations to begin with; it's harder to be disappointed that way. n/t

[lunatica]

23. It's infinitely unfair to lay the death of our hope at one man's feet

We witness daily how the Boner and the melting wax face reiterate their mantra of 'no'. We hear them repeat how their mission is to destroy him so they can take over again. We see how they vote against everything that is good for this country just to orchestrate his political demise.

And yet people insist on blaming him when it is the Congress who has the Constitutional duty of representing us and our interests. The GOP would see us living in garbage dumps before they would give him a hand in anything.

There's plenty of blame to go around. It isn't all his fault. If we really choose to stop drinking the kool-aid we would see the reality of what's going on instead of laying everything on Obama.

[BlueIris]

24. Well, at least there's a Kool-Aid antidote. Evidently. It's called

betrayal. It's bringing people back from the dead.

[LaurenG]

26. Nice one

:thumbsup:

[Township75]

28. I remember during the election thinking Obama...

was setting his expectations so high, that he woudl never reach them. So I kept mine lower.

And even with that, he still disappointed me as did the Dem congress.

Give Bush 4 years with a congressional majority like that, he will get what he wants, and won't be stopped by some minority party whether they were the party of NO or not.

I think Obama really just watned to be the first Black president and beyond that, he didn't want much.

[northernlights]

30. haven't seen such waste in my 57 years....

The whole thing with "drinking kool-aid" aid is it is a drug, and as such it addles the mind.

You (along with the rest of us) were desperately thirsty afterthe last 8 years in particular. You drank from the cup and it screwed up your mind. Nothing to feel stupid about.

[LawnLover]

31. Yes. Many times in the past.

Momentum is slowed by those who accept defeat. Why are so many people here willing to accept it so easily?

The only kool-aid being drunk, I fear, is tainted with defeatism and negativity. It's pretty sad to see so many people drinking it.

[Laelth]

32. I admire your honesty and appreciate your capacity to learn. n/t

-Laelth

[Individualist]

41. +1

[okieinpain]

35. yep, you were drinking nothing but poison. that president obama

is just plain evil man, plain evil. I mean he promised to walk on water and what did we get a human being. damn I feel let down.....

[donco6]

37. .

[okieinpain]

44. cute... n/t.

[donco6]

36. We've all been there (well, me anyway)

No need for regrets, really.

[Greyhound]

39. Many of us have made similar errors, and none of us like to admit

that we've been had.
:kick: & R

[jimlup]

43. I was wise enough not to ... but don't be too hard on yourself

Remember what we were trying to stop. The presidency of GWB was a nightmare. And we are a big reason that nightmare is over. We really had no choice. If we were a little too enthusiastic - so be it. Who cares? We had no choice, now we're wiser.