Every Democrat Needs To Read And Memorize This One Point

[KingOfLostSouls]

its simple really. everyone should remember one succinct talking point. every blogger, every congressman, every talk show host, every entertainer. everyone reading this should remember this next time you get into an argument in public, on facebook, etc. EVERYONE should hammer this point home time and time again in the most complete terms in one line that makes sense of everything and takes away all the bullshit the rights tossing out. all the lies about small businesses, jobs, government, deficits, etc.


all we need is one line to rule them all.


"if the bush tax cuts and deregulation worked out so well, why did we end up in a recession surrounded by record breaking deficits because of it?"


hammer this point home AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. one simple, concise and consistent talking point that hammers home the simple message that what the republican party is selling is poison to the American public.

[Binka]

1. A-Fucking-Men n/t

[TheEuclideanOne]

35. The sad and shocking thing is that this won't sway republicans. It does make them look silly though

A good friend of mine is a hard core republicans and we have discussed this at great lenghts. It is really amazing, IMHO. He has gone on and on about how we need to bring down the deficit. And how it is obvious to anybody with half a brain that if you cut taxes on the rich, it will improve the economy with all sorts of new jobs. Sure, both brilliant points, no doubt. So, when I threw out my own version of this talking point with links to every economist under the sun saying that the Bush tax cuts were a complete failure and asked him why he supported it, he could not give a reason, BUT HE WAS STILL IN FAVOR OF THEM!

That is one thing that drives me nuts. Arguing with a group of people who feel a certain way without a lick of evidence or reasoning as to why they should feel that way. You can not have intelligent debate on this topic if the other side feels a certain way contrary to very obvious evidence. The only thing that you can do is bang your head on a wall wondering how they can even believe such a thing.

If I can add one more thing, he is not poor, but certainly not in the tax bracket that benefits from this. Yet, he still supports it blindly. He is also not the first one and surely not the only one that believes it, sans any logical reasoning.

[danbee46]

41. Sad, but true

The arguments of the righties seldom have anything to do with logic. All you need to do is to listen to so-called "middle America." Virtually all of their hostility is based on emotion. When it's emotion vs. logic, emotion usually wins.

[SemperEadem]

47. that's why in a court of law they tell you to try the case on the facts

and not on emotions/feelings.

Hey--maybe that's the ticket--anytime a thug starts talking about what a great idea the bush tax cuts for the wealthy are,
you tell them the above line and cue up and play a recording of that hideous 70's song "Feelings". Because their logic
is based on "feelings, nothing more than feelings".

[The Wizard]

55. Bush did things because

he had gut feelings. That worked out well-------------ugh no.

[bongbong]

58. repigs are 100% brainwashed

I don't even discuss reality with right-wingers any more. Especially on chat boards. I just rip them up, down, right & left with biting sarcasm after learning a lesson several years ago.

Several years ago I had a back and forth with a right winger on a financial chat board. The only reason I engaged him was that he seemed pretty reasonable based on his posts. We were arguing some political point, and I went to the trouble of carefully researching evidence, providing links and so forth. Every time he made some point, I would refute it with evidence. At some point, when I had boxed him into a corner, he simply wrote his last post on that thread: "You've proved your point. I just choose to believe the opposite"

NEVER waste your time arguing with the nutjobs who are trying with all their might to destroy America. Your time would be better spent slamming your head against the wall.

[UrbScotty]

2. Or as I like to say: WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

[gratuitous]

3. "9/11 changed everything"

Ace of Trumps.

[KingOfLostSouls]

5. "noun, verb, 9-11"

biden pretty much destroyed that talking point during the primaries.

[jtown1123]

4. I've been saying this for years. Hope Dems actually pick up on a winning message for once.

[pscot]

6. K&R

[JustAnotherGen]

7. I've been saying this time and again

But our 'Leadership' sucks at messaging. I predict in 2 years the Teaps are going to have 'assigned' this whole idea to us and even we will have forgotten . . . these were THEIR ideas.

[ladjf]

8. Your argument is far too logical. There is no hope that such a reasonable idea

would influence anyone in America. nt

[JHB]

9. If conservatives hate Comunism so much...

...why are they so hell-bent on converting the economic system that defeated Communism* into the sort of economic system that spawned it?


*"the economic system that defeated Communsm": regulated capitalism with safety nets and high marginal taxes creating a "top line" for the rich to consider when making decisions, not just the bottom line.

(kinda detracts from the line to explain all that at once)

[WhoIsNumberNone]

12. Most conservatives don't actually know what communism really is

They just know it's bad. Millionaires have been telling them so for over a century.

[blondeatlast]

10. Exactly--happy to do just that in this red county, red state hell. nt

[Gregorian]

11. To which their answer is- There's a lag time of 18 years in the economy.

So whatever problems we see now were cause by Clinton. And whatever good we saw during the Clinton years was the benefit of the Reagan years. At which point I simply cease conversation with the clown in question, who is usually a highly educated person with a brilliant mind. I find it strange that such bright people can also be so foolish.

[KingOfLostSouls]

13. missed the point

the point is to hit them hard and keep a unified message going.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

14. I can already tell you the right wing reply to this-

-They'll say the recession is Carter's fault, and the poor bankers were forced to give loans to poor people (cue violins) because the evil Democrats rammed through equal housing legislation. (Although this supposedly Democratic program never stopped W from crowing about home ownership being at historic levels in every State of the Union address)

[KingOfLostSouls]

15. /facepalm

again, someone who's missed the entire point of having unified messaging and making conservatives fall back on their irrational answers.

[DearAbby]

16. Been asking that question for some time now

We have been under these tax cuts for ten years, where are the jobs, and why did the economy meltdown in the first place? Wasn't it supposed to prevent this?

[thereismore]

17. Well, you know, there were also two wars off the books, and deregulation of banks.

The tax cuts did not help, but there is more.

[Waiting For Everyman]

18. K&R Yep you're right, as the old salesmen used to say, "K.I.S.S."

Keep It Simple Stupid

It could be said even more simply - BTDT.

[Stuart G]

19. Well Said..nt.

[Deep13]

Go tell it on the mountain! nt

[Deep13]

20. Go tell it on the mountain! nt

[StarburstClock]

21. How about this 1 point: hold war criminals accountable or welcome Pres. Palin

Without law, without accountability and without morals, this country is going to be handed over to the criminal repukes in 2 short years.

[LawnKorn]

37. If we don't want a repeat of the Bush Era, we have to send those responsible to jail

Cheney and Bush behind bars would send a warning to individuals contemplating a similar abuse of power.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

22. Too wordy, it will never resonate with the media or low information...

...voters.

Whatever we repeat must fit on a bumper sticker in BOLD CAP LETTERS

[Donald Ian Rankin]

23. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?

This is not as convincing as it is presented as being, sadly.

[felinetta]

24. One can also ask: Where are the jobs this tax cut would produce?

[mimitabby]

25. I'm not too articulate in person but I finally have a point I can make

"Glen Beck wants everyone in the govt to earn no more than $50k? Isn't that socialism? the same pay for all??"

[Juche]

26. I've used that one before

When talking to tea partiers and right wingers I know.

Them: "We need tax cuts on the wealthy since that creates jobs"

Me: "Yeah but Bush based his economic theory on that concept. And Bush had the worst job creation in 80 years. If supply side economics works why was job creation the worst since the depression after Bush based his whole philosophy on it"

[upi402]

27. IF TAX CUTS WORKED, WHY ARE WE SCREWN??? n/t k/r

[Wednesdays]

28. No one will tune away from Faux Noise and American Idol long enough to care.

nt

[Kyad02]

29. Typical response from tea bagger types:

The recession was caused by Freddie and Fannie giving home loans to poor people who never should have gotten them. Barnie Frank's Fault.

[beforeyoureyes]

30. You don't think this President could figure out that message if he wanted to do it

Obama is smart.

We don't hear that message because they are NOT capitulating, but rather calculating how to serve their rich corporate donors and make it look like they had to concede to pass unemployment benefits.

Let the tax cuts expire. And, let the Republicans deal with the consequences.

Ain't gonna happen, they need the political cover.

[JDPriestly]

31. The OP is so true.

[Kablooie]

32. The answer you'll get is that we haven't given it enough time to work.

And that's the answer you will hear 150 years from now too.

[Cherchez la Femme]

33. Yessirree bob!

Kick & recommend!

[Enthusiast]

34. You got it.

K&R

[lib_wit_it]

36. I've been saying this for months, but no one listens to me. Hope you have better luck getting all

those you mentioned to fall into line! Why, oh why do Dems not see a rallying cry when any child could?!

Another thing I've been saying for years--where's our Frank Luntz?! He is not the only person who can do what he does.

[indimuse]

38. I say it all the time!

And will continue to.. ;)

[BlueJac]

39. Help.......

Someone tell this to Obama.........he is ready to cut the deal to extend tax cuts for the rich.


Doing exactly what the Republicans and rich congressman want. Shameless and inexcusable!

[4dsc]

40. They blame the democratic party win of 2006

I guess you don't argue or try to debate with rightie much because you can ask them this question and their answer is the 2006 congress under Pelosi is to blame for the recession. I kid you not. That is how fricken dumb these people are.

[xchrom]

42. Recommend

[Major Hogwash]

43. Go tell the mainstream media -- they're the ones making the Republicans' argument for them!

The big bad Democrats are ruining the economy. <-- that's what they have been telling everyone!

[Major Hogwash]

44. Go tell John King on CNN.

He can even use his fancy ass computer charts to prove what we are saying is true.

But, he won't.

[Major Hogwash]

45. Go tell Katie Couric on CBS.

She could explain why the economy tanked if she wanted to.

But, she doesn't want to.

[Jumping John]

46. *ALERT* Hammering truth to a Repuke is futile. They live a lie to appease their corporate masters.

[Nevernose]

50. Always futile on the Internets, usually futile in person, but not %100 so

A young man (actually a former student I speak to often), who used to only get his news and information from AM radio, finally. Branched out beyond. Trusted conservative news sites for his information. Between that and talking to me -- and remember, this is a guy who was shocked that I was a liberal because I didn't meet any of the stereotypes of liberals he'" heard -- came to me the other day and said in total sincerity, "I've been lied to by these people my whole life, haven't I? I don't see how anyone who sits down and thinks about it with an open mind can come to the conservative position on many issues; its just not logical, only persuasive."

There are others I've known over the years who have left the cult of conservatism. So no, at least in person, it's not futile.

[Fredfon]

48. I'm so old

I'm still waiting to get trickled down upon.

[debannbull]

49. my line: we should be swimming in jobs jobs everywhere!? n/t

[Raoul]

51. hate to burst

the bubble but even though you are 1000% right, facts mean nothing to right wing morons. After all, weren't they the ones who blamed Clinton for the recession that followed the war criminal back in 2000-2001? And they were the same morons who actually had the gall to say that Clinton had INHERITED a great economy which really had been caused by bush sr. policies!!!

The time for talk is over my friend..

[GOPBasher]

52. I couln't agree more. Rec'd. n/t

[Overseas]

53. Sad so many modern reporters don't say-- But the tax cuts failed to create jobs

for many years already.

They just let the GOP spout falsehoods like we need the tax cuts to stimulate jobs and don't challenge them because "golly we gotta include 'both sides'" even though the "sides," as it were, are True and False.

Pity our reporters don't challenge GOP lies with the truth. "When you extend unemployment benefits, every dollar is spent quickly which stimulates the economy, doesn't it?" Then they say some lame thing like "No it doesn't. Cutting taxes for the rich makes them create jobs." And the reporters should go on to ask why that hasn't happened. One would wish for them to say-- "No. Actually, demand for their products by people out spending money creates more jobs. With more people buying, businesses hire more people to produce more products to sell."

So even after they got Reagan to remove the "fairness doctrine" our corporate news has created false balance by giving time to truth and lies. They feel like they don't have to correct the complete falsehoods because they are just "another side."

Just like we're supposed to not believe our eyes and scientific observations of 99% of scientists about global climate disruption by CO2 pollution. No no. We have one person representing the 99% who concur and get one person on from the 0.02% "it's all about sunspots" fringe and give that fringe view as much time as the consensus of climatologists studying the issue from all over the globe.

We could be having discussions with two of the 99% about the merits of various solutions to reduce carbon emissions but we're forced to sit through lies and have one Do Something and one Do Nothing.

Tax cuts for the richest Americans have failed to produce the result their proponents promised. All we have is the largest gap between the rich and poor since the 1920's. That unbalanced economy led to the great depression in the 20's and the Great Bush Crash in 2008.

We should be debating how much to raise taxes on the top 5%, not whether to retain a failed tax cut. Yet we don't hear reporters comparing Eisenhower tax rates for the top bracket and Nixon tax rates and what happened to the economy when taxes for the rich were slashed or raised at various times.

Sigh...

[The Wizard]

54. They like to blame Barney Frank

because as a minority member of the House he forced banks to make questionable loans. I bet Barney never knew he had that kind of power.

[DeeDeeNY]

56. Bush? Teabaggers can't remember back that far

You need to be able to think complex thoughts on your own to understand that what's happening now is a direct result of the redistribution of wealth from Bush's tax cuts. It doesn't even matter that they call them the "Bush Tax Cuts"!!!. They cannot make the connection. They now believe the present economy is the fault of socialist Obama and the wild-spending Democrats. So your idea for a one sentence talking point makes sense.

[KingOfLostSouls]

57. Thanks for all the recs

I think some people are missing the point, this isn't about anything other than consistent messaging and a simple, easy to follow talking point.

we ARE NOT trying to convert and win right wings who think obama is a kenyan muslim socialist nazi. we will never convert those people, and we must accept that and stop thinking we're going to convince them


we need to convince EVERYONE ELSE that top bracket tax cuts DID NOT AND DO NOT WORK. we are not trying to win over jim demint, we are trying to win over joe sixpack. the people who aren't always involved in politics and sometimes vote. we want them to have that doubt in their mind, that little question that sets off their bullshit meter like, "yeah why didn't it work?"

as the saying goes, some people cannot be set free from the matrix. we are simply trying to give the red pill to the ones who can.

simple, concise messages that get people thinking and put republicans on the defensive is our main goal to sabotage their talking points and debates. republicans specialize in boiling the debate down to stupid talking points, all of them based on bullshit. our focus needs to be, and should be, boiling down our facts to simple and concise one liners that anyone with even a quarter of a brain, no matter how much they are tuned off, will make their lie detector stand up like, "wait...he/she has a point." any good salesmen knows you don't overwhelm your customer with details right off, you want them to get attached to your product and let THEM ask the questions. we are Brand Democracy, and what we're selling is the future of America. do you want Option A, tax cuts that don't work and destroy our infrastructure, or Option B, the things that worked and built this country. we DO need better lines or "sales pitches" if you would and thats what this is. we're not going to make the paid talking heads on tv do anything off message, we want to get the people watching at home, the people we talk to on facebook or work, people who even might be concerned about the future of their retirement. we want them to go, "now hold on there, I never said I wasn't interested, lemme see some information here before I buy." the proof is in the pudding, we have 40 years of growth from the new deal till reagan took over, then 30 years from reagan to bush jr of tax cuts, recessions, and bubble-bust economies. would you rather keep doing what we're doing, or look at what worked and what built the nation we live in?


we are not trying to convert the brainwashed, we are trying to save the rest.

[MrMickeysMom]

59. K&R... I was trying to remind my Congressmen here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9686468&mesg_id=9686468

[phrigndumass]

60. Great point! I might add a few more soundbites to that ...

Such as:

Tax Cuts = Bigger Deficits = More Debt

"Where are the borrow-and-spend Republicans going to get the money for it this time?!"

Deregulation = Legalized Theft

Greed isn't good for the economy.

:hi:

On edit:
"Borrow like there's no tomorrow"

[Tommy_J]

61. You nailed it