December 8th 1980 - Was Lennon's murderer a CIA hitman?

[malaise]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335479/Was-John-Lennons-murderer-Mark-Chapman-CIA-hitman-Thirty-years-theres-extraordinary-new-theory.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

The author is uncertain whether Chapman fell into the category of unwitting killer or unwitting accomplice.

But his deep suspicion is that Chapman did not act alone — any more, he says, than Lee Harvey Oswald did in the murder of JFK in Dallas or Sirhan Sirhan in Bobby Kennedy’s death. He even doubts if Chapman fired the fatal shots.

‘The bullets slapped into Lennon’s body so closely together that pathologists later had trouble marking out the different entry points. If all of these shots came from Chapman, it was a miraculous piece of shooting.
'Put simply, the authorities' investigation, or lack of it, into the assassination was shockingly slack and beggars belief.'


‘In fact, if any of them came from him it was miraculous because Chapman was standing on Lennon’s right and, as the autopsy report and death certificate later made clear, all Lennon’s wounds were in the left side of his body.’

There had to be another shooter involved, Strongman insists. He suggests that a CIA plant who worked at the Dakota building was the real killer.

What increases his suspicion is the cursory nature of the police investigation after Chapman’s arrest.
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That was the first tragedy after Reagan was elected. Gimme Some Truth!!!

delete name from subject

[Taverner]

1. I don't think so, but I've always thought in the back of my mind...perhaps...

[BrklynLiberal]

2. I remember exactly where I was at the moment I heard he had been killed...

At first, when I heard his name on the news, I thought he was being harassed about pot again.

I just kept saying over and over, "Why would anyone shoot JOHN LENNON!!????

[musette_sf]

4. I had just moved out of NYC 6 months before

so I had to hear it from Howard Cosell during Monday Night Football.

[Ken Burch]

8. I heard it from Ted Koppel on his show "High Hair Held Hostage"

(this was right after the Ayatollah gave Ted his big break in showbiz).

[msanthrope]

19. We heard the sirens.

We lived in NYC at the time.

My mother couldn't see what was going on, so she turned on channel 7. Who had it within minutes.

[jwirr]

16. I was at home and my youngest brother came stumbling down the

stairs just upset. He looked wild and say "They got John. They got John." I did not know who he was referring to at that moment. We just sat and cried together. You know by this time many of us were so used to our heroes being killed it seem like the continuation of all the others. Like it was never going to end.

[musette_sf]

3. K&R

I don't know if this hypothesis is the particular smoking gun (for lack of a better term) in this case,

but I've always thought the scenario was hinky to begin with. It never added up to me.

[colbertforpresident]

5. MK Ultra

The Lennon killing may have been the test run. Hinkley shooting Reagan was very similar. Our new vice president had a company that was doing MK Ultra experiments. Both Chapman and Hinkley worked for world Vision a christian organization that is also suspected of being a CIA front. The Hinkleys were friends of the Bush family. Hinkley's dad was rumored to be CIA. If Reagan would have died who would have been president?

[malaise]

7. Da Da Da Da

I like your line of thinking. :evilgrin:

[Ken Burch]

10. I've heard arguments that Reagan never really fully recoverd from the shooting

And that Bush The First was effectively acting as president for most of The Gipper's terms.

[madrchsod]

22. he did`t.

this was the reason that nancy was so protective of ronnie. she hated the bush klan.

my dad who was 4 years younger than him noticed he was`t the same after he was shot. my dad knew him in dixon.

[PSzymeczek]

13. Things that make you

go hmmm...:yoiks:

[laundry_queen]

27. What you said. nt

[Ter]

33. You are right on

Reagan lived, but he was never the same anti-government, anti-Trilateral Commission, and Fed politician ever again. Bush likely threatened Nancy after he was shot. The Shadow Government never liked Reagan. They thought they could contain him, but his January, 1981 inaugural "Government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem" speech rattled many in the NWO and they were bent on getting Reagan.

The bullet supposedly missed his heart by just an inch. These Shadow Government/CIA/NWO types don't miss, so perhaps even God stepped in, it is very mysterious.

[Ken Burch]

6. Small point....if at all possible, can you please remove the killer's NAME from the OP?

(Obviously, you can't edit it out of the link)

Yoko Ono has repeatedly asked everyone NOT to use the man's name, because using it keeps the name in people's minds, gives him undeserved fame and rewards the murderer for what he did.

[malaise]

9. Done

:hi:

[Ken Burch]

11. Actually, it didn't work.

All whatever you tried to do did was to put the words "delete name from subject" at the bottom of the OP.

You'd have to hand-edit it, I think.

[malaise]

12. It's out of mine

Reload

[CBGLuthier]

14. It was all a practice run for Reagan attempt three months later

as part of the Bush family's "attempted" coup in 1981.

[madrchsod]

21. it worked.. after ronny was shot bush and the boys ran the government

[H2O Man]

15. Yes.

[KamaAina]

17. I always wondered how he got the gun there

He came to NYC from Hawai'i. Since Amtrak never has been able to maintain service on that route :-), he must have flown. They most certainly had metal detectors at airports in 1980. So either he checked it (and didn't get caught), or someone got it to him at the other end. :tinfoilhat:

[lunamagica]

18. No. If they wanted to do it they would have done it wayy before then

This os one of the most absurd theories out there.

[Peace Patriot]

23. Why do you think it's absurd?

This is the very first I've read about the number of shots, where they hit, and slapdash investigation. Those things in themselves are not "absurd." They merit attention and further investigation.

Do you think it's "absurd" because John Lennon was a musician? Did you live through the '60s-'80s? Do you have any idea how important Lennon was to people as an anti-war ikon? The Bushwhacks intention has been to reverse the "Vietnam War Syndrome"--the American peoples' post-Vietnam hatred of unjust war--and I'm sure that the Reaganites and earlier Bushites were also determined to do so. Reagan was running a horrid, secret, illegal war on Nicaragua, funding/supporting a genocidal war on Guatemala, invaded Grenada to keep the war machine exercised and pandered to war profiteers on "Star Wars." Daddy Bush invaded Panama and then Iraq--a full scale effort to gear the war machine back up. The protests against the Vietnam war were an extreme disruption of the war establishment. An entire American generation was rejecting unjust war. The cultural changes that accompanied this huge change of consciousness terrified the greedy, the powerful and the militaristic. John Lennon, Paul McCartney and the Beatles were worshiped by that generation, not just for their spectacular music, but also for their overt message of peace and love. For years after that era, Paul was supporting anti-nuke activists in England. And when John came to the United States to live, he presented an ever-present threat to the warmongers as a symbol of anti-war and cultural protest. They could not control him. He would not be commercialized and marginalized. I think you don't understand how paranoid our war establishment was during that time. They entirely got rid of the Draft and forgave all the draft-dodgers who had fled to Canada. They were SCARED of the young. And they knew they had a lot of work to do, to restore their access to "cannon fodder" and to justify humongous military spending.

I can't tell you how demoralizing John Lennon's assassination was--especially after all the other assassinations. John Kennedy. Robert Kennedy. Martin Luther King. Lennon's murder ENDED that era of hope and change. It put a nail in its coffin. And we have been on a downward spiral of war and military looting ever since.

There is nothing "absurd" about the warmongers wanting to get rid of a peace ikon. Please explain why you think this is "absurd."

[Cetacea]

25. +1k

Great post. Thanks

[lunamagica]

30. I believe it is absurd because his activism happened

years before the murder. Why didn't they kill him back then? He had been retired for years, and then his comeback album was anything but political. The most effective way to have stopped Reagan's regime would have been to try to get Carter re- elected. Ronald Reagan's election came about without a peep from Lennon. Just read his Playboy interview in December, not a mention of the election which had just happened; not a mention about what a Reagan regime would mean to the nation's future. It is a lengthy, quite in depth interview; yet he seems unaware or unconcerned about the political climate un such crucial times. he even makes clear he doesn't want to be involved in fundraisers anymore. I this he males it clear in the song "Watching the wheels". He seemed to have mellowed quote a bit.

That's why I believe the conspiracy theories are absurd.

[soryang]

20. This article is slanted like hell

Lennon is "frankly loony" and "mad." He was a dreamer and not an actor. Wrong! Also, Lennon didn't give a damn about money, Yoko took care of all the finances.

[Cetacea]

24. America seems to have a plethora of "lone nuts". n/t

[Hannah Bell]

26. something weird going on, imo. lennon was a funder of left-wing political action

in a fairly visible way, & a big-mouth as well.

i also felt that maybe he crossed some line & was offed to make a point.

[KansasVoter]

28. Wow, I hate conspiracy nuts!

[WinkyDink]

29. It was a murder, not an assassination.

[Cetacea]

31. "to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack...

"...Assassinations may be prompted by religious, ideological, political, or military reasons. Additionally, assassins may be motivated by financial gain, revenge, or personal public recognition."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination

[Ter]

32. Are you saying Reagan was involved?

Whoever is involved may also have been involved in Reagan's assassination in 1981, just two or three months later. Hmm.

[malaise]

35. I don't know who was involved

All I know is that this happened shortly after ReTHUGS won the WH and Bush was the Veep.

[Flubadubya]

36. I don't know either, but Nixon always wanted him dead...

Nixon had quite the list too! :(

[Politicalboi]

34. I think he was a trial run

For Hinkley with Raygun as Manchurian Candidates. I've heard Hinkley and Chapman worked together one time at world vision. I find the odds of both men having worked together years back and both being assassins or (attemped) assassins of famous people quite hard to believe. But I do suspect Poppy Bush is somehow behind it. He's good at assassinations. He never spent a day in jail for JFK.