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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:40 PM Original message |
The last two times when Dems were the incumbents & had primaries, the GOP took the White House |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. We'd also have lost in '68 if we'd renominated LBJ |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Bobby getting killed 2 months before a riot plagued convention didn't help either |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. If Bobby had not been killed, he would have won |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Frankly, Bobby is a non-issue, because he was dead. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Actually, Bobby is a big issue here |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Bobby's death played a huge role, it's true |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. That would be a police riot, and it was the result of the same attitude displayed |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. +1 |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
33. All of these factors point to 1968 being too polluted a sample to use for comparison. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Pro-war platform? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. It kept the bombing going for the forseeable future |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Vietnam was not always "one country" |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. But the resulting chaos... |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Any scenario where the Republicans take advantage of our fragmentation is a setback for us |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Nobody's arguing for chaos. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, I know this game |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Whatever your position, I'd rather NOT see the Republicans take the White House |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I don't think I'm getting screwed now, |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. When the third parties start producing substantials, then I MAY consider them |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Yeah, that's the problem, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. "But given a few years, a few million pissed off people, it can happen." |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. LOL, History belies you, but you already know that |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Just because our election system lets naive people think there's a third choice |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Who is talking about a third choice? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Oh, sure. A party can be more or less swapped out. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. that's circular reasoning. "when they become popular then i'll bandwagon." |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. The problem is, walking away just enables the two parties EVEN MORE. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. And when Ford was primaried by Reagan, Democrats took the White House... |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Goes both ways, Buddy |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Then perhaps we can learn something from this. |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I'm pretty much convinced that most people harping on a primary... |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. He wasn't my first or second choice... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Yes, he is infantilely better than the alternative. |
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Midwestern Democrat (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Both of those cases were somewhat unique. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. Ford was an unelected President who was a little dense |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. You are correct. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
20. A primary challenge doesn't make sense, in any case. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
21. you seem to have forgotten Senator Bradley |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You're right |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
25. In case you haven't noticed... |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
46. actually you DO have a progressive democrat in the WH, what you DON'T have is a Liberal one n/t |
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the redcoat (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
26. I'm all but done caring about the presidency. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
28. A lot can happen in two years, but right now I don't think it will matter, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Though they'll probably win with a less progressive candidate in 2016 or 2020, once those who enable |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Obama should be primaried to make sure he is not allowed to set the leftward |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You know, I think that is a valid point. |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
37. And we never had a black president before. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
39. Correlation, not cause and effect. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
47. Weak presidents--not primary challenges |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
49. Nothing validates renominating him. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
50. Like they don't have it now? n/t |
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