Should everyone give up on President Obama?

[ProSense]

I've learned that:

• Everything he has accomplished is mediocre at best.
  
  
• He is in over his head.
  
  
• He is running out of time to prove that he is not an idiot.
  
  
• He's a soulless, uncaring person who only looks out for the rich.
  
  
• He picked up where Bush left off and is trying to destroy our future by advancing the policies of a failed empire.
  
  
• He lacks courage and conviction.
  
  
• He is weak and Republicans are making a fool of him.
  
  
• He is useless.
  
  
• His administration is in moral collapse.
  
  
• His supporters should consider the embarrassment of having voted for this fraud

This is a summary of the things I've been reading on the Internet, and I must ponder them.

[Catshrink]

I see no evidence to suggest otherwise.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. You forgot the now classic, "he is a corporate owned whore"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9685532&mesg_id=9685619

Big Tentism RULZ!

[onenote]

2. you also forgot "he is being blackmailed"

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Don't forget, "he's gone crazy"

he sits in his office where "his advisors telling him one thing, but he's caught up in a fantasy, not listening, and giving strange orders..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9678504&mesg_id=9678504

Cuckoo Bananas!

Three cheers for the Big Tent! It's led to really cogent and insightful discussion!

[BrklynLiberal]

3. 4 out of those 10, I agree with...

[bigtree]

4. or, he has Stockholm Syndrome

[Strelnikov_]

31. Thats my personal favorite n/t

[Brickbat]

5. Oh good, you're learning.

[Davis_X_Machina]

6. Right on!

Viva Kucinich Clinton Warren Grayson Weiner Dean Sherrod Mosley Feinegold Kucinich!

[Ozymanithrax]

7. In over his head is a Republican code word for the N word.

Lets try and not use it here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Oh, now you done done it

White liberals, attack!

;-)

[Ozymanithrax]

13. Dag nab it I didn't want to done did it...

However, we should be aware of code words and avoid them whenever possible.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. They comin'

You gonna get got.

:-)

[aquart]

18. I'm gonna laugh for a while about that.

[doc03]

27. How about just plain incompetent n/t

[ProSense]

40. That's code for

say anything.

[madamesilverspurs]

8. Sure, when hell freezes over.

Or when Mitch McConnell grows a chin, whichever comes first.


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[gateley]

10. He's Muslim. nt

[Steely_Dan]

11. Excellent List

Pretty much dead on.

You are such an ardent supporter...I admire your integrity. But let me ask you....Do you find any criticism of Mr. Obama unjustified?



-P

[texshelters]

15. He's President and we have to work with that

but I agree with most of the points about how he disappoints.
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/i-should-have-voted-for-mccain/

Peace,
Tex Shelters
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/i-should-have-voted-for-mccain/

[purrFect]

16. Apply more pressure

Still not enough apparently

[applegrove]

17. I only agreed with 2 out of the ten.

[Tx4obama]

19. Stop reading republican websites on the internet. n/t

[ProSense]

21. Here's the rub

I don't read Republican sites.

:scared:

[Tx4obama]

23. Well then, don't read any of the 'negative' stuff on DU ;) n/t

[ProSense]

47. Maybe you're right.

:)

[Richard Steele]

20. Every item on that list is demonstrably TRUE. Hideously painful, but true. nm

[Laelth]

22. Come on. You at least have to admit that's he's USEFUL ...

... to banks, financiers, the military-industrial complex, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and various other oligarchs.

Be honest, now. :eyes:

-Laelth

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[ProSense]

25. "moral collapse" and "embarrassment"

based in part on Krugman's commentaries.

Otherwise, the response is vile.

[frylock]

36. he lacks courage and the republicans are making a fool of him..

sorry.

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[treestar]

60. The Republicans thank you for your help

Every President lacks courage then. They all have to deal with the other party in some fashion.

I'm pretty sure the "courage" and "spine" memes were started by Republicans posing as Democrats on the internet. It's such a Republican theme. Yet per their method of thinking Obama should be "brave" for continuing the war in Afghanistan. Notice that never comes up.

You're just helping the Republicans with that one. May as well join their party, in fact.

[Jakes Progress]

26. I guess the question is

whether there is anything - anything at all - that would cause you to give up Obama? Is there anything more precious to you? Any issue about which you feel strongly enough? Hmmmm?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. just as Bush had his 28% ...................

know what I mean.

[Lisa0825]

28. No.

I still support him. He's not perfect, but he's charged with turning a steaming pile of shit into gold, and there is no way to pass that test.

[Strelnikov_]

29. He is a corporate owned whore. He is a socialist anarchist.

He is a front for Right-Wing imperialism. He is a front for Al-Queda.

He is a warmonger. He is a weakling apologist.

He is everything to everyone. He is nothing to no one.

He is life. He is death.

He is the alpha. He is the omega.


He is Christ. He is the anti-Christ.



He is the one.

[Lorien]

30. Yes. We need to find a strong Democratic leader to challenge him in the primaries

in 2012. It's obvious that he is not going to Lead, he needs to stop following the GOP or get the Hell out of the way!

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[slipslidingaway]

35. .........

:toast:

[ProSense]

44. What do you consider whining? n/t

[uppityperson]

33. It is quite something right now, DU.

The dichotomous thinking of many, must be the Best or the Worst. No middle ground of hating some of what is done and loving some.

I miss Teri Schiavo days.

[orleans]

43. i'm afraid those teri schiavo days just got voted back for next term

you won't have to miss them much longer.

[BzaDem]

34. Mediocre at best? Are you kidding me? Many people think the bills he passed are actually right wing!

Some people are really living in 1984, where up is down.

[asdjrocky]

37. I can agree with 6 or 7 of those.

Ponder away, it may do you some good.

[ProSense]

46. Maybe. n/t

[apocalypsehow]

38. Been reading the "Greatest" page again, I see...

It's a shame that I can't employ the :sarcasm: smiley at this point - and mean it.

Kick, Rec.

[pscot]

41. a lot worse

was said about FDR, and in 1982 David Broder dismissed Reagan as a feckless failure. These things go in cycles. He just needs to quit negotiating with himself and learn to kick the Republicans around.

[ProSense]

45. Yeah, but

we're in the moment.

[pscot]

73. And like all moments

this one will pass.

[RZM]

42. Obama makes progressive baby Jesus cry n/t

[blindpig]

48. Naw, he's the President of the United States.

He's doing what presidents do, catering to the ruling class. His political sense might be called into question but that is secondary to giving the rich what they want.

What people need to do is give up on Capitalism, there lies the problem.

[creon]

49. I am not surprised

Any president would be having difficulty right now. And, failure is an orphan.

So, I am not surprised that Obama is taking a lot of criticism. And, so would any other Democrat who could have been president; none of them would have done any better. And, would be taking similar criticism.

McCain would certainly have done no better; perhaps worse.


My belief is that no one in the office would be doing a "good job". The times are such that no one can.

[johnnie]

50. The story I have heard...

...and one that I am researching right now is that there is really a time machine that "they" won't tell us about and the republicans got a hold of it and sent Obama (a cyborg) from the year 2012 just to make sure they win the next election. I don't know if it's true, but I read it on the internets so it probably is true.

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. No ..... but your defense of the the undefensiveable

Makes me wonder about you

I go with......

Close Gitmo......... Not yet
End the Iraq War... not yet
end rendition.... Not yet...... OK.... prove he hasn't supported the fight aganist the Spainish courts

Single payer......LOL
Unemployment........LOL
Banks...... yeah they got what coming to them.

Two years in a relationship ........
And I'm not your servant nor yours ...

Close Gitmo............ two years......... get it?....... I doubt it.

[ProSense]

52. I don't agree with the bullshit.

Sue me.

[Ichingcarpenter]

53. Let him talk and walk....... I can't sue you because

I'm not rich..like him.

Ketchup...... Catch up....... he doesn't care, he's not on TV like he was.

Let me talk about Bullshit for a moment.

He let me down when he said he would fight the illegal election in 2004 and didn't.


WHERE IS HIS STATEMENT ON WIKILEAKS?.............
GOT ONE....I'LL LISTEN.

[ProSense]

54. WTF? Seriously, WTF?

I'm not rich..like him.

Ketchup...... Catch up....... he doesn't care, he's not on TV like he was.

Let me talk about Bullshit for a moment.

He let me down when he said he would fight the illegal election in 2004 and didn't.

President Obama?

[Ichingcarpenter]

55. the OP is about Kerry now its about Obama.

Now the question is........ where is Kerry and Obama's statement on Wikileaks

I know what Hillary said......

Which explains a lot....

[ProSense]

56. "the OP is about Kerry "?

:rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

61. Now the OP is about you....

Alrighty then SEE I CAN LAUGH AT YOU TOO.... listen I worked my Ass off for Kerry and Obama

You still want to promote 'The Company Line' .... yes Obama has done some good
BUT IT WAS ONLY A PINKY FINGER IN THE DIKE WHILE THE DIKE BREAKERS
TICKLED HIS UNDERARM...WHILE HE GIGGLED IN BIPARTISANSHIP.



CLOSE GITMO....... YOU GOT THAT?.... OR WHAT DO YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT?

[ProSense]

63. Hmmmm?

"Alrighty then SEE I CAN LAUGH AT YOU TOO.... listen I worked my Ass off for Kerry and Obama"

What is that supposed to mean, and how does it justify thinking that the OP is about Kerry?

Still

:rofl:

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[ProSense]

66. No, the OP is about Obama

You brought Kerry into it, which indicates some bias.

[Ichingcarpenter]

67. You commented on that thread too

Now that I'm back home I can see both threads.

but our conversation is still relevant... with Kerry and Obama.
I think that reality is not a believe system but a rude awakening
that many americans still believe in the American Dream while they are asleep.

WAKE UP!




Listen........ try to marginalize me will only make me stronger.

[JackRiddler]

57. This question is not relevant.

Should everyone fight for what is right?

Should everyone try to end the long-standing policies of empire and concentration of wealth?

Yes.

Obama can lead, follow, or get out of the way. He himself in his post-2010 election concession speech effectively conceded he had no mandate and wanted to follow the Republican line.

Where is he on taxes and other issues of the lame duck Congress? Not leading. He should follow the House's lead, but shows no sign of it.

What's more important, truth or team spirit?

[ProSense]

58. The question is very relevant

"What's more important, truth or team spirit?"

Obviously, team spirit, as long as the team agrees to tear down the President.

[Ichingcarpenter]

71. Listen.......... even Europe thinks he's sold out

AND THEY LOVED HIM.... and now it was all a shallow promise, talk and walk

His love and support of the Banking systems is what pisses them off.

[ProSense]

74. Europe

Which Europe? The Europe that supported Bush's invasion of Iraq or the Europe that is trying to arrest the latest hero?

[Ichingcarpenter]

75. Now your lies..... are exposed

You know longer have any credibility.

"Europe that supported Bush's invasion of Iraq "


Sorry ........ but man, you are not good at his shit.

[Ichingcarpenter]

70. If he was true to his word

It was to come to us..... not the fucking party or TV.

John Lennon.......'Just give me some Truth"

Maybe on the anniversary of his Assassination...... We might pay attention

Because I'm not getting it with this Government.....

[treestar]

59. It's almost like it's becoming the "in" thing to do

The left clearly likes being victimized and finds itself more comfortable during Republican administrations. They just don't know how to win. They think it means they can sit back and watch the goodies roll in.

Obama is just going to go to the center - the polls say it is the independents who are needed. The left has contributed to that, probably subconsciously so they can be victims rather than doers.

And they can pretend to be above it all. This is good for Republicans, who enable it as much as they can. On the internet, it would be easy for Republicans to pretend to be leftists to add to the cacophony.

[Forkboy]

62. On the internet, it would be easy for Republicans to pretend to be centrists....

...to add to the cacophony.

Here's a clue: Both sides are infiltrated and being played against the other. :think:

[Ichingcarpenter]

72. I see the play in a new light

But I think
Wikileaks opened a new spectrum to the stage.

I have neve seen so much scrambling by the corupt world system to try to hide truth.

IMAGINE......... WHISTLE BLOWERS HAVE REAL RESOURCE.


that is freighting to the powers that BE.

WHERE COULD THEY GO BEFORE THAT?

FOX, WASHINGTON POST, NY TIMES?

IT IS A WORLD WIDE REVOLUTION.

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[Union Scribe]

68. Are you? Pondering them, I mean?

Maybe you ought to ponder a few of those, and ask yourself why people are saying them instead of lashing out.