Will the New Deal Democrats inspire a candidate to step forward to primary Obama?

[Karmadillo]

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-deal-manifesto.html

Should Obama face a primary challenge? A growing number of internet pundits embrace the notion. As the previous post indicated, we don't have a candidate -- yet.

But we can start a movement. Once a movement gets going, candidates will come forward. Build it and they will come.

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The name of this movement? New Deal.

You may have heard that term before. Why re-invent the wheel? And why hide from a proud history?

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We need Democrats who will boldly say that capitalism can only work if money is siphoned away from the Swiss bank accounts of the Wall Street vampires and put into the wallets of the struggling many. People who lost their $18 an hour jobs are now competing for $8 an hour jobs. If the average person has no spending power, how will the economy recover?

We need Democrats who will boldly say that those who control 90 percent of the wealth should pay a commensurate share of the taxes. The top tax rate under Eisenhower was, in fact, 90 percent -- and the country did great. Under Reagan, it was 50 percent. Today, it is 35 percent. Strange as it sounds, anyone advocating a "return to Reagan" policy would now be labeled a New Dealer.

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[quinnox]

1. I like it, a new deal

Nice idea.

[DontTreadOnMe]

2. I would organize under a "New Deal"

sign me up

[leftstreet]

3. Wait...I thought the Obama campaign already used the 'new deal' thing

[BrklynLiberal]

15. Obviously, Obama learned nothing from FDR.

[leftstreet]

16. Well, in his defense, he's not got a powerful Left breathing down his neck

The Left forced FDR's hand

Now? Not so much

[BrklynLiberal]

26. So sad. The Left has been so overpowered by the message-machines of the right.

Starting with Lewis Powell and right thru Frank Luntz and Grover Norquist...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. nm.

[quinnox]

5. deleted due to post responding to being deleted

[ProSense]

6. What drivel

Bipartisanship equals appeasement. Obama, Pelosi and Reid refuse to let go of Neville Chamberlain's umbrella.

They're not the only ones carrying brollies. The "new media" organs which created the cult of Obama are run by libertarians-in-disguise and by snooty, cappuccino-sipping Whole Foods shoppers who disdain the working class. Look and see: Markos Moulitsas, Arianna Huffington, Andrew Sullivan. These are the people who have helped to ruin the Democratic party.

We need a return to Roosevelt. A return to principles.

A new New Deal.

The Obama Democrats -- a breed which long preceded the advent of Obama himself -- have always allowed the Republicans to frame the issues. This damnable blundering must cease. Our enemies never begin with concession. They always seek to reconstruct the terms of debate.

Pelosi's bipartisan appeasement? What the hell does Kos and Andrew Sullivan have in common? Andrew Sullivan is not a friggin Democrat.

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[Peregrine Took]

8. What a wonderful idea. I would definitely open my wallet wide for this. n/t

[Dragonfli]

9. 98 percent of America needs a new deal to survive. It is either find a new deal Dem or just give up

and become the new third world, complete with starvation, loss of liberty and a small financial elite that are/will be above the law.

We need representation for the people where now all we have are purchased politicians belonging to one of two branches of the one Republican party (the fascist Republicans and the Reagan Obama Republicans).

Years ago when I was a child there was a party that existed to represent the people and the were called the Democratic party, now after years of infiltration by the DLC Republicans there are only a hand full of people left that are still Democrats and power is kept far away from these few.

The people are ready for a party of their own, perhaps they will re-infiltrate the DLC Republicans with New Deal types and the people will have a voice again and perhaps even a chance to survive.

It is all I will vote for now, they have lied too much for me to vote party line anymore and Obama's 180 turn from his campaign rhetoric towards Reaganomics and Empire is the reason the party as an institution is dead to me now. I refuse to vote for more Republicans no matter what false flag they may wear

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. A new Henry Wallace, more like.

Only if you can guarantee a new Strom Thurmond, to split the Republican vote as well.

[meow mix]

11. recommended

[Laelth]

12. I do not think Obama will be primaried.

Either he runs again without a primary opponent, or he decides not to run (in which case we may be able to nominate a New Deal progressive).

The Democratic candidate for President can't win without the support of African-American voters, and any person who primaried Obama would lose most of those votes in the general election if that person beat Obama in the primary. Given this scenario, it makes no sense to primary Obama.

Personally, I hope he either takes a sharp and immediate turn to the left, or decides not to run for re-election, or both.

-Laelth

[KoKo]

13. If you are talking about FDR Type "New Deal Dems"...well they are all Dead.

There's NO ONE ...we've shot our last volley with Obama. There's really no one who could represent the left. No GREAT FIGURE Like GORE or a KENNEDY that we could get a NEW MYTH to CAPTURE THE PEOPLE WITH!

We are Stuck with Obama unless he get's a lucrative offer from Wall Street or perhaps a Lucrative Job as President of Harvard, Yale or Georgetown. I could see Obama going the "College Head" route. He would fit nicely there...but might not be the kind of money he's used to. But the Lecture Circuit would fill the gaps in very nicely and Michelle could certainly be fixed for whatever she wants to do and the kids will be thinking about college in their own ways at one of the Top Ivy Leagues.

Best Bet if Obama gives it up. The way he's heading we are a Repug Nation with his lack of fight...so I'd be looking at the best Liberal Republican we can Find. Let's find one Left of Obama and work?

OMG...How I long for a real Dem Progressive to be Electable........but just don't see it.

[Ozymanithrax]

14. The desire for a Republican President to unite us all her at DU is strong...

But, really, a primary of Obama is just wrong, well unless those calling for it want the Republicans to win the White Hosue.

[Davis_X_Machina]

17. DU was founded in opposition..

...and only really flourishes in opposition. So that's not surprising.

What is surprising is when the opposition in which it flourishes is to a Democratic president.

But hey, it's DU.

Viva Kucinich Clinton Warren Grayson Weiner Dean Sherrod Mosley Feingold! And stay tuned for updates.

[Ozymanithrax]

20. Russ Feingold wants Obama to be reelected...

so that probably means he won't attempt a primary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9681896&mesg_id=9681896

[Davis_X_Machina]

21. OK...

Viva Kucinich Clinton Warren Grayson Weiner Dean Sherrod Mosley Feinegold Sanders!

Like I said, it's DU. Stay tuned for updates.

[KoKo]

24. I like Sherrod Brown...he's young, great personality...but know little about him.

unless he has a young charismatic wife and cute kiddies...he isn't going to cut it. And, being young he probably has other issues. Divorce, Weed, Cigs, Driving Arrests for youthful folly...whatever.

He's good where he is...but is very likeable... just don't know much about him. I might vote for Marcy Kaptur with Kucinich as her Veep, though. So you can see where I'm at if I thought they'd have a chance and they wouldn't. So...it's what it is. We Dems aren't good at grooming unless we toss them into the Senate for a couple of years like Obama and Edwards then turn them loose. Howard Dean was a bet ...but I always thought his wife was happy he didn't make it. Maybe Howard is TOO.. for all I know. The Kennedy's all have problems... and who else is there? We just haven't done a good job. Dean tried to groom...but then Obama didn't build on it.

Where IS THAT LOSER TIM KAINE! WHY HASN'T HE FALLEN ON HIS SWORD YET! The chair of our NC DEM PARTY...the NEW ONE just RESIGNED IN DISGRACE! HEADS SHOULD ROLL for all the HARD WORK WE LOST IN BUILDING THIS PARTY UP GRASSROOTS SINCE 1994 LOSS with KERRY!

[cali]

25. He's not young- he's 58. He's divorced and he's married to a

Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, Connie Shultz.

[KoKo]

23. We just don't have anyone to Primary him with..that's strong...it would Triangulate the Election...

I've been around awhile...I don't see any "pot" of Dems who could capture a disillusioned dispirited Dem or Indie Voter like Obama did.

Many DU posters aren't old enough to remember when we had so many Dem Activist Presidential Candidates..and how they all went down.. Folks don't remember the HUGE HOPE for Jimmy Carter, the Common Man, Peanut Farmer who did a Whistle Stop Train Campaign all over American working for Change and Hope. Many here don't even remember the HUGE HOPE we had for Bill Clinton because he offered us "HOPE" (and Dem Op Campaign Specialists drove home he was born in HOPE, ARKANSAS.) Many don't remember that Clinton came in when the Economy was changing to the Japan Model and all the Media was filled with how the Japanese were BEATING OUR BUTTS AND BUYING OUR REAL ESTATE because of Toyota...and that our manufacturing plants were so antiquated compared to Japanese Modern Plants and how their workers were superior to ours. The NYT and WaPo and Media were filled with Japanese Tourists coming here to spend money and and enjoying our demise. At that time we were told our "workforce was not properly educated" and that "Steel Manufacturing" and "Production" were dead in the US compared to the NEW Japenese Model.

Then the Democratic Party (led by Bill and Hillary Clinton in the late 80's during Reagan) decided that Dems kept losing because they weren't perceived as "Pro-Business enough." That Dems had gotten caught up in "Social Issues" like Civil Rights, Women's Movement and Equality for All Citizens. That was seen by the Think Tanks and Thought Guru's as a bad thing. If we neglected Business/Wall Street we would never win again. So, the DLC founded by Bill/Hillary and other quasi Dems Operatives decided that Carter's Energy Policy was dead...and transitioning us off OIL was just not possible to win as a Dem...and that Regulation from FDR's Time was Antiquated and there were so many Wall Streeters pushing to use new COMPUTER MODELS that could make Investing so much more FUN and PROFITABLE, too that we needed to do away with Regulations from the New Deal to separate Investment Banks from Local Banks and to COMBINE THEM and MAKE THEM GLOBAL to go along with the NEW FREE TRADE DOCTRINES that they and THINK THANKS want put into Place.

Clinton actually promised us MORE than OBAMA DID...but Clinton was very much like Obama with Charisma and the Marketing Campaign for "President Hope...who grew up Poor...but made it to Georgetown and Yale Law School and his Law School New Feminist Wife with her degree from Wellesley and Yale Law. They had a lovely young daughter (Kids in the WH AGAINS...first time since JFK!) ALL WAS WONDERFUL! I cried with joy the night he was ELECTED. THE MAN WITH HOPE from HOPE ARKANSAS who saw the NEW WORLD OF MANUFACTURING AND BUSINESS who was going to STOP US FROM GETTING BEHIND IN COMPETING IN THE NEW WORLD! He was going to REFIT our AGING MANUFACTURING PLANTS...BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, RETRAIN WORKERS FOR THE NEW COMPUTER GENERATION! A CHICKEN AND BEEF COW IN EVERY POT...PROSPERITY AND RENEWAL WOULD THRIVE UNDER THIS NEW PRESIDENT! (THAT's how THEY WERE MARKETED)

So, after all this time...with so many Dems who promised so much and all who got corrupted or waylaied in one way or the other...I just don't see anyone out there because we've used them up or they just are not charismatic and charming enough to be electable or they are too dull and wonky for Americans to THINK they are ELECTABLE.

The Charisma now belongs to the RIGHT... There has to be someone out there better than the Palins and the rest of them. But, I have no idea who. THEY have the BIG MO...now that we've lost it and so we might just need to find one we can live with. We must make sure that no BUSH ever get's near the WH ever again, though.

[JoePhilly]

18. Take a Deep breath ... now hold it, hold it, hold it ...

And only take your next breath when an viable primary challenger arrives.

This is NOT happening.

[Egnever]

19. LOL

and yet another post on DU looking to bring down the Democratic president. This place really needs a new name. My vote is for IU ....Idiots united!

[Dragonfli]

22. Democratic presidents act well, Democratic, this one acts more like Reagan, It takes more than a D.

I hate all republicans equally, not for personal reasons but rather because I am a working class individual that is and has been poor. Republicans would have me starve to death or work for Chinese level wages and die young from lack of nutrition and health care and they would have that for the majority as long as the wealthy do better.

I hate them all equally, even when they run the false flag and infiltrate and lie during campaigns to get elected.
It is clear to any with eyes who is wearing the false flags these days and they are not all named Nelson.

[Karmadillo]

27. Kick

nt

[Little Star]

28. k&r

[Arkana]

29. Yeah, I'm sure the corpses of Clark Clifford

and Harold Ickes will get right on that.

[CakeGrrl]

30. Go to it, Intenet Warriors!

Mobilization from the left blogosphere, a group of non-herdable cats? We'll see it when it happens.

[frustrated_lefty]

31. We can only hope.

[tomp]

32. primarying obama will not work. here's why:

if primaried (from the left) obama will, at best, talk more left and then go do whatever he was going to do if he wins anyway (which is act right, in case you weren't sure.) it is very unlikely that anyone would beat obama in a primary.

progressive democrats should leave the party and unite fully with the the real progressive left and run as a third party. no guarantees, but it could work. whereas a primary is almost guaranteed to fail.

oh, but wait, there's those pesky computer voting systems....

how about we just take to the streets?

[pa28]

33. The party has created a deep vacuum on the left that will be filled.

Ignoring traditional constituencies to draw the center while telling liberals they need to shut up and vote is the path they've taken.

Oh well, maybe it's time to start thinking about turning the party around for the long run and beginning the long process of rebuilding after all the hard won ground we've given up and bargained away in the last 15 years.

[Karmadillo]

34. Kick

nt