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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:15 PM
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Well, I Just Found Another One Of "Them"
One of my very good friends is a dyed-in-the-wool, Rush/Hannity/Dr. Laura listening (and parroting), Bush-loving, right-wing mouth-breather. Overall, he's a super nice guy and a good friend, but he just has some really f'ed up views of the world. He and I used to have some knock-down-drag-out debates whenever politics would come up, and I ended up getting the best of him so many times that he simply gave up. He generally won't even bring up political issues around me any more because he knows that he's ill-equipped to argue their merits against me, because I'm more informed and more educated on the issues than most people out there, plus I argue for a living and, if I might toot my own horn for just a moment, I'm damn good at what I do.

First a little background on him. He grew up rich, with a father who was a college professor, and he was handed everything in his life until he was around his mid-20s. His parents paid for his education and everything he needed. They even bought the house next door to theirs when it was put up for sale and allowed him to move into it and live there rent-free after college (the trade-off was that they got to use the front room as their "office" for a home-based business and could come and go as they pleased). He never had to pay a bill while he lived there except for his personal credit card bills. When he bought his first car, he paid for it in cash, so he's never had a car payment. When he got into his late-20s, he decided he wanted to start looking for a career, so he went to school to become a teacher and got a job teaching high school. He has since decided he wants to get his PhD and teach college like his father did, so he's moved off to another State, and I rarely hear from him anymore.

One more little tidbit just to show you what we're dealing with here. When he was still teaching high school, there was an important vote on a school levy for his district. The levy money would have affected him DIRECTLY, because it was one of those desperation levies, that if it didn't pass, they were going to have to start cutting funding for extracurriculars (which he was involved with), classroom extras (which he used a ton of), and they were even threatening to fire some of the teachers of lesser seniority (which would have been him). The night of the election, we were talking on the phone. He asked me if I voted for this and that, and I answered him. Then he asked me if I voted for my school district's levy (I live in a different district from the one where he worked). I told him that I'm big on education, and that despite the fact that my kids were not yet in school, I ALWAYS vote yes on school levies. He told me he voted no on HIS OWN LEVY. When I asked him how he could possibly justify that, he simply said, "Hey, my taxes are high enough." So he voted to cut his own throat KNOWINGLY. This is how deeply ingrained the right-wing ideology is in this guy. It runs so deep that he votes his ideology even when he KNOWS that he, himself is being harmed by it. Whether or not that makes him a "Teabagger" or just your average, run-of-the-mill idiot right-winger, I have no idea, but that's who he is.

OK, fast forward to just recently. I got a phone call from this friend, who is now in Illinois pursuing his education. He moved out to Illinois with his wife and two children to go to school for his Master's, and then his PhD. He's living in his deceased grandmother's house (so, once again, rent-free), but he does have bills now. His wife doesn't work and he doesn't work because he's a full-time student. He called because he needed some legal advice (which I am more than happy to give, but the conversation revealed some very interesting tidbits of information). Over the course of our conversation, I told him that he had kind of a complex legal matter, and that he probably needed to talk to somebody versed in Illinois law in order to get better answers than I was able to give him. He asked if he could go down to Legal Aid and get representation for free. I told him that he could try, but that he would have to "screen" (meaning, he would have to meet their financial requirements), and I figured he probably made too much money to qualify. That's when he laid this little gem on me. He's on public assistance AND gets food stamps. Mr. I Hate Taxes, Mr. The Government Is Too Big, Mr. Get The Government Out Of My Life, Mr. Anti-Socialism, Mr. Welfare Queens And The Unemployed Are Deadbeats is on public assistance. I nearly fell out of my chair. I desperately wanted to point out his hypocrisy to him, but I figured it wasn't the time or place. Besides, this gives me a huge weapon to use the next time he starts in on one of his "no big government" screeds.

So, chalk up another one for people who have run into "them." The ones who bemoan big government, but are still on the dole. You know how every person who is against extending unemployment knows somebody who is cheating the system? It certainly seems from reading this board that pretty much everyone here knows a Teabagger who is accepting taxpayer-funded government services too. Maybe we should start squawking about THAT a little bit louder.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:24 PM
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1. The hypocrisy! IT BURNS!!
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:29 PM
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2. I know what you mean. I know this guy in the neighborhood have talked with
at times. He & his wife are one of those right-wing christians. Nobody could get any further to the right than them. Now here it is:

1) He gets a government check for a disability claim he made regarding Agent Orange.

2) He & his wife both get state pensions.

3) He works seasonal at the IRS.

4) He gets social security.

Now, who is paying them their money? We all know where it comes from, they do too & yet bitch about anyone else that needs help.

Not saying is not deserving but am saying they are the most hypocritical people I know.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:29 PM
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3. voting against one's own self interests....
A lot of those people are definitely not stupid, so seriously...it just HAS to have something to do with masochism...
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 05:11 PM
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16. I don't know if its relevant,
but I do notice a common thread in the thinking of people who align with the right wing.

Basically, they are opposed to any kind of governmental assistance. It's not because it could help people other than themselves. In fact, they seem to be more than fine with that. It's not because their taxes would be used for it, most understand that taxes go to the benefit of society, not them personally. What seems to be a common thread is that they are overly concerned with (and I'd go as far as to say obsessed with) the fact that some people will game the system. Of course, some WILL game the system, but that doesn't make what you are attempting irrelevant, unnecessary, or in any way a bad idea or waste of money. They just, in their law-and-order, right/wrong thinking modality, anything that is imperfect and susceptible to abuse even in the smallest degree is too uncertain a benefit and not worth the risk.

To me, this is WHY they so consistently vote "against" their interests, it is because they are NOT voting against their interests. Their first priority is to law and order, so they'll vote against their interests financially if they can vote against programs which might let a few "gamers" through.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 05:39 PM
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18. You know what's funny?
It's usually them gaming the system when they get the chance.

A Teabagger at my last place of work asked my how to apply for unemployment when the place went under. I gave her the information, and told her that she had to apply for X jobs per week and document it.

Her: "...I have to look for work???"
Me: "Yes, and if you don't follow the rules, you could wind up paying it back x2."
Her: "...Well, I'm just not going to look for jobs while I do it."

I about fell out of my chair. Ms. Truth, Justice and the American way was quite willing to ignore the rules when it was her.

BTW, I think that's the REAL common thread among the far right- they want their rules applied to everyone else, but they want to be rich and exempt from all rules.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:57 PM
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30. Wait, what?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 08:00 PM by ElboRuum
Maybe I'm missing something here.

You have to look for work.
If you don't follow that rule, you could owe double back.
So you'll break the rule?

I don't understand why she thinks this will work...

On edit: You and I may both be right on this one. You are right in that they DO tend to game the system. Maybe that's why they are so averse to it. In psychology, I think this is called projection. Because they are likely to game the system, they just assume everyone else will too, even though that's very unlikely.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:28 PM
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31. Oh, I know, the logic fail is good too
But basically what she told me was that she didn't want to look for work and wanted the money, so she was going to game it and risk the penalties if she got caught.

That REALLY bothered me. I live in an area of seasonal employment. I've had to draw unemployment more time than I care to count, so I know how much value the system has. To have her spit on it as an entitlement, and then casually abuse it when she has the opportunity speaks ill of our "Down with big Gov't!" peeps.

And I think you're right. Since they would game the system, they think everyone else (who is smart) is already doing that. Therefore, make it all go away, and no one will be tempted.

I really do think that the essence of the Right Wing is in how they view laws as being needed, but not on them. They don't strive for equality, they strive for dominance.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:19 PM
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29. A most interesting point.
I agree.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:30 PM
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36. Your explanation makes sense to me, but then what I don't understand....
How they can care so much about someone getting a few bucks off the sytem while at the same time turning the other way when the system virtually rapes and pillages the people.

It's like whipping a guy who stole a loaf of bread to within an inch of his life, but ignoring some guy who fleeces a whole town out of a million dollars.

strange...

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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:42 PM
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32. I don't have offspring...
...don't care for baseball and deal with social issues that make it difficult for me to go out in public...

Yet I ALWAYS vote "YES" on the levies for stuff like schools, the city's public pools, the baseball 'stadium', arts, and culture stuff.
Even though I know it will increase my taxes (I get a low-income discount, but I still pay something)...

But then, I'm a liberal...:shrug:
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:35 PM
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37. But in a way you're not really voting against your own self interests...
Better schools lead to better students, which leads to more kids learning and being able to graduate from college to become doctors, nurses, lawyers, etc., which would be to your benefit.

Culture stuff...public pools....again...a better society, which is in the best interest of all of us...


:)

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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 06:57 PM
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38. Azackly!
:hi:
You got my point! :yourock:

Just because something doesn't benefit one directly and RIGHT THIS MINUTE doesn't mean it won't benefit a LOT of people in the greater perspective.

I read something somewhere about the Greeks planting olive trees...
They take a looong time to mature and be productive, and chances are the person planting it isn't going to benefit from that particular tree.
But their descendants will...just as the person planting the tree is benefitting from the trees planted by those who have gone before.



WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND? :banghead:
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Rincewind Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:30 PM
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4. I keep saying,
the teabaggers and the anti welfare people aren't against government benefits, they are against government benefits for OTHER people. They feel entitled to every last dime of taxpayer's dollars that they can grab, but nobody else should see a penny.
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 11:33 PM
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11. Yup, and it's very PARTICULAR "other" people whom they are against receiving such benefits. nt
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AC_Mem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:31 PM
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5. How many true republicans
are not hypocrites? They are all about anti-government until they need it.

How many unemployed republicans do you think will live on the street before taking government assistance? They are all for denying the less fortunate as long as it doesn't affect them personally. They don't want others to have health care, but will they refuse to accept it if they are unemployed and get a disease based on principle? Of course not - they will take it because they want other people to suck it up, not them. We see it over and over.

I have to say this - watching the teaparty has made me a much stronger democrat. They have caused me to donate more, to volunteer more, to care more. And it is all because of their hypocritical message and their hate filled attitudes.

They are hypocrites, and the worst part of it is that they do it while professing to be "christian".

Jesus watches, and weeps.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:31 PM
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6. you are so brave
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:31 PM
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7. So weird. nt
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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:34 PM
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8. I would have laid into him.
fucking hypocrite.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 11:19 PM
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9. Lots of that type among the Teabaggers. The hypocrisy is stunning. n/t
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 11:30 PM
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10. Well, he's not black (I'm assuming), so it's okay.
His work-ethic and "value to society" speak for themselves, merely by virtue of the color of his skin. Good for him, eh?


That's heavy :sarcasm: , in case it wasn't obvious enough.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 11:43 PM
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12. I'm in a similar situation
My best friend is fairly conservative, he likes Glen Beck a lot,but at least he admits that Beck does manipulate facts and lies at times. He also says Rush is an idiot so maybe there's hope for him. I keep hoping college will open his mind a little since he is normally very smart.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:11 AM
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13. Oh my. A case of me thinks thou dost protest too much? /nt
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:14 AM
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14. "everyone here knows a Teabagger"

Geez, in my case, those I'm surrounded by (biological family, family friends and neighbors) might as well be known as Teabaggers-R-Us.

:rofl:

:cry:

:eyes:

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Celtic Raven Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 02:03 PM
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15. K&R nt
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:12 PM
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19. Wow!
I have many friends of different political beliefs, and the the whole friendship is based on respect. We discuss the merits of each others opinions/positions from time to time, but we do not seek to destroy the other. Hypocrisy is unfortunately part of human nature.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:29 PM
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23. No kidding. Did Leftist sell everything he has and give it to the poor? No? Hypocrite!!! nt
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:28 PM
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21. Dude, that is way too harsh. You've never been wrong before? About anything?
I'm seeing an assh*le here, and it's not the original poster.

Sheesh.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:29 PM
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24. -10000
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:25 PM
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20. Yup, and Rush Limbaugh was on unemployment for two years.
Try and find a source to document it though . . . it's practically impossible.

I wonder why that is (sarcasm).

Anyway what caught my eye was "he has since decided he wants to get his PhD and teach college."

Gee, I think about a million people already thought of that. I hope his field is in high energy particle physics or international business or something "practical." If it's in English or history or sociology etc., he might as well run for Congress.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:29 PM
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22. People are totally always like that
They are genuine, but others are frauds.

Auto accident whiplash cases are often considered to be frauds, exaggerated injuries to get money out of an insurance company, a piece of luck, or "lottery." Then you'll meet the same person who says that who is in one themselves and they report that whiplash is a "very real" injury. But still, everyone else's case is a fraud.

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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:33 PM
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25. Greedy fuckers. THere are probably more like him.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:15 PM
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28. Probably? No. Definitely? Yes!
There are loads more like that out there. I see Republicans every day bitch and moan about "big government" and then use a program that provides public money to assist with elderly care for their relatives and so on.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:35 PM
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26. It's like my nephew's family who are staunch CONs. Except that my nephew got in a car accident.
Permanently damaged his spinal cord and he could be possibly helped by stem cell therapy.

So he's all for stem cell therapy NOW.

When I reminded them that W. put stem cell research on hold for eight years in an e-mail, you'd have thought I was saying I was glad he had the accident.

Some folks are just hard to educate, heigh ho.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 06:53 PM
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27. Funny how fast these kind of idiots become liberals pretty fast.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:47 PM
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33. Just out of curiosity, when would be "the right time"?
I can guarantee you, THEY don't wait for "the right time" to badger REAL poor people!

So, why should THEY be spared the FRAUD charges?

Seriously, I really want to know why they are treated with so much respect, but really poor folk get attacked, and often by "progressives".

Awaiting your reply.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:49 PM
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34. Uh...
He grew up rich, with a father who was a college professor...

Seriously? Show me how to do that.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:07 PM
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35. I work in a sea of conservatives, a DoD contractor.
It's a never-ending source of amusement to hear people whose careers depend on government spending complaining about government spending. People who have spent their entire working lives pulling a government paycheck, in many cases drawing military retirement, and now in the private sector with their government paid-for education complaining that the government is too big.
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