Why don't we hear about health care uncertainty wreaking havoc on business?

[Still a Democrat]

We hear how uncertainty about tax rates wreaking havoc on businesses and making planning impossible - how about the uncertainty of rising health care costs and legal challenges to HCR?

My bet is most businesses consider that a bigger problem.

[potpolpilot]

1. Small business owner here, just received my new health care premiums..

up 45% monthly. Go Obama!!

[Skittles]

2. you're blaming Obama?

hello, YOUR DITTOMASTERS ensured corporation profits ruled when it came to HEALTH CARE

[potpolpilot]

3. Do you think Obama's healthcare 'victory' helped anyone

except health insurance cos.? How? Did the changes replicate ANY developed countries healthcare access plans?

[Angry Dragon]

5. Obama had nothing to do with your premiums going up

Talk to your Health Care provider and ask them
what costs have gone up to justify the huge
increase.

You say you are a small business owner.
Would letting the higher tax rates expire injure at all??

[potpolpilot]

6. 'Mr. Health Care Provider; what costs have gone up?'''

'Your Lear Jet and lobbyists contributions??' Well..O.K. The country is toast. Canada has a 46% top tax bracket, healthcare for all, a public school system where their kids test a full grade ahead of U.S. kids, a trade surplus every month. Would they consider a tax rate of 35%, well..no it would collapse their well run government and our society.

[Angry Dragon]

7. I did ask a question but no answer

The republicans state that you, as a small business owner, net over $250,000 as taxable income
so letting the top 3% of taxpayer rates expire would stop you from hiring anyone.
I was just asking if this applied to you and thinking that the republicans are just full of shit.

[potpolpilot]

9. I don't make over $250K, business owner for 24+ years, and have NEVER heard

any business owner make such a STUPID statement, as the Repubs do, about not hiring anyone because of tax rates. Businesses have NEVER hired or not hired employees based on tax rates. That's crazy talk. Example: Well, I need some workers to build this 'whatumacallit' but tax rates went up so I'm not hiring anyone to build it.

[Angry Dragon]

10. I read a post on a republican site

A guy said he grossed a little over $250,000 and he would have to let a guy go and cut back the other to 30 hours.
Did not even take into account that he had materials and wages to pay to bring him down under $250,000.

Another guy was talking about how he had 200 employees. And it was really going to hurt him. In my mind he is not a small business.

[potpolpilot]

11. Grossed $250K...nets maybe $150K?? Is he OR is he not making money from the

worker that he 'says' he will fire?? What will his 'gross' be after 'cutting his workers to 30 hrs'. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. He should just say I'm a greedy repub and ITS ALL MINE>>>MINE I TELL YOU!!!

Idle threats from crazy people!

[Angry Dragon]

14. He did not seem like a very smart business person

[Skittles]

8. the HCR law is a giant turd

but don't blame OBAMA for the state of healthcare in America - that was brought to you front and center by CONSERVATIVES and CONSERVATIVES are the real reason we don't have a system like ANY other developed country

[Hydra]

16. Of which our President happily caters to

And wonders why we get angry with him when he does.

He got the bill he negotiated before the debate. He was nice enough to tell us that, otherwise I'd be called several nasty names for suggesting such.

[Skittles]

20. all correct

I'm simply saying that to lay to blame of the sad state of health care in America solely on Obama is completely wrong - he hasn't fixed it but he sure didn't cause it

[Hydra]

21. True, blame enough to go around

I still think it's all about money.

We've enshrined money as a holy object. People die and other people get rich from it.

I think we're all mad at Obama because it didn't have to be this way. He led the charge, when he told us he understood how much it would hurt us.

Maybe he couldn't have won, but he didn't have to give the house away to lose.

[Skittles]

23. aw, he has sucked beyond belief

:(

[NNN0LHI]

12. I know a small business owner who goes around and shows his workers their increased premiums yearly

He tells them he feels their pain and has a huge look of disappointment on his face. He looks very sad. He likes blaming it all on the insurers and President Obama. And then he deducts that amount from their weekly paychecks.

What he doesn't tell them is that he never tries to negotiate the best coverage for the least money for his workers. Rather he goes with whatever shit company he can squeeze the most kickbacks out of in the form of all expense paid trips and cruises.

He figure fuck his employees. He likes his free vacations. Has to pay taxes on them but its still worth it to him.

You don't know any businessmen that do that do you?

Don

[killbotfactory]

17. Did you think they would go down if HCR didn't pass?

Premiums have been out of control for years.

[w8liftinglady]

4. in Texas,small business simply can not insure employees.

of course,large businesses just don't.
We lead the nation in uninsured....with all the lovely tax cuts of 2001/2003.i don't see it changing much.

[Coyote_Bandit]

13. Health care uncertainty

is one of the greatest risks faced by small businesses - and one of the most difficult to mitigate and manage.

I don't think our leaders are ignorant of that fact. I think they simply don't care. The corporate boys and political leaders seem to think that self-employment and small business are for the folks who just couldn't cut it in their world. Their view of intellectuals and educators isn't much better. And God help you if you earn your livlihood in the creative arts.

[glitch]

22. I believe you are correct, what a horrible, monochromatic world they are creating. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

15. if you live in DC you do. nt.

[leftstreet]

18. The sooner healthcare coverage is severed from employment, the better

The two should never have been tied together to begin with

[Hydra]

19. Ever hear about "Results based research"?

It's when you decide what the answer should be and then try and find proof of it.

In this case, the answer is "We need more tax cuts for the 2%"

The questions are thereafter tailored to "proving" that theory.

They may as well just say "This is what we want you to believe. Do it, or we shoot you."

[undeterred]

24. Because business can keep shifting the cost to the employee.

The rise in cost can be passed along so why should they care? Its not their problem.