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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:50 AM Original message |
Is Assange a force for good or chaos? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. definitely somewhere in-between |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. Nice. More analysis of Assange, rather than the data. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'm not going near it. I have no interest in empowering Assange. n/t |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No shit. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. You can safely read the items released in the Guardian, I think. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
31. How do you strike a blow at Assange by keeping yourself in ignorance? |
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xTx (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Wait, chaos isn't good? nt |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. D-Day is not only weeks away. |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Exactly ... yet another "false equivalency" ... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. He's like the Super Twins have activated into the shape of a moral conundrum! |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
7. US grew sloppy |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
8. OMG! It's terrible! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. That is the problem of our government. How does it protect its secrets? |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. How can there be secrets in a democracy? The two are mutually exclusive. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. Troop movements, the locations of reserves of food and other |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
10. Are "good" and "chaos" mutually exclusive? |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. agreed. |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
11. Considering the recent revelation that he will release |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
12. Possibly both ... good can come out of chaos |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
13. People who focus on these fantasies about possible death and destruction |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. do you support assange's threat of possibly |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I don't support breathless unfounded paranoid psycho drama |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Live in Norway so most of those questions are not valid for me. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Yes, it is psycho drama. Assange's lawyer's job is to defend him. |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. My concern is for innocents mostly, and assange/the lawyers threat is to me a large attack |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I don't think Wikileaks can compete with the American government |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Yep. I support it 100%. nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Interesting, EFerrari. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You can tell how militarized we are as a culture by what we fear -- |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Excellent observation. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
39. 100% correct n/t |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. these "fantasies" are no less real that Assange's fear of being |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Right. Just because people SAY out loud and on camera |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. do you idolize this man? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. I have a high regard for the rule of law and no respect at all |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
52. The double think is very stong in this case. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Agreed. n/t |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
60. that's bullshit. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. You might consider that Wikileaks has been much more careful |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
14. The Government |
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Michigan-Arizona (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. CIA front |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
15. Wikileaks released 88,000 docs they didn't even look at? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Wikileaks was criticized for not redacting some names in the warlogs |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I was referring to all the replies so far that didn't acknowledge it |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I have no reaction, no. Because imo, the full frontal smear is on |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. which full frontal smear? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I tend to do that whenever the media goes into this mode. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. I haven't seen WikiLeaks admit they didn't look at them |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
19. For good |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. What? And give up show business? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:13 AM Response to Original message |
33. if you believe that our government is keeping secrets mostly for our good, you've lived in a cave |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
34. Maybe if someone had leaked the Nazi secrets in the 30s we wouldn't have needed D-Day. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Our government should be as answerable to the law as Julian Assange. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. See, that's what I hate. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. You did all the hard work. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
61. Well, it wouldn't have been the Daily Mail, that's for sure |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
40. Bad analogy. These are lower classified State Dept. cables, not Top Secret Pentagon files. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
43. Of course, this is just like giving away the plans for d-day. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
44. Both. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
45. He is a force for himself. But I am glad he is airing the deceptive duplicity |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
46. Is he really a force? He just posts info someone else steals with no analysis |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Somebody has to be willing to do it. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. +1 nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
49. Both. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
51. He's both! And, the fear mongering is to be expected. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
53. Assange is a catalyst |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
75. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
57. he is not the hero du makes him out to be. having posters of him looking off, all noble. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. It is good |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
59. The example presupposes we should solve our problems only after they begin. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
62. "To choose order over disorder or disorder over order |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
63. Funny. He offered to let State redact portions they felt would endanger lives. They blew him off. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
67. deleted |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
69. Assange is a force against evil. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
70. To his fans, secret/classified always equals nefarious. And many would not mind |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. You're conflating opposition to corruption with hatred for America. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
73. He has stated that the goes after the bad guys, so I doubt he |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. #1 |
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beforeyoureyes (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
78. The truth will set you free |
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