If You Oppose Tieing Tax Cuts For Everybody To Extending Unemployment Insurance

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Poll question: If You Oppose Tieing Tax Cuts For Everybody To Extending Unemployment Insurance

If you oppose tieing tax cuts for everybody to extending unemployment insurance and unemployment insurance lapses for millions of Americans would you promise to house and feed a starving/homeless family who can no longer feed and house themselves because their unemployment insurance ran out.





on edit-If you vote yes you can post an e-mail address (you can create a new one if you are afraid of spam) and I will send them to the appropriate agencies. Since I am underemployed I have a lot of time.


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[Uben]

1. Already doing it.....

A friend of forty years has been having a run of bad luck. Lost his job and an injury to boot. I had an empty rent house I'm saving for my youngest daughter who graduates highschool next year, so I let him move in. He can stay there till June if he needs to, rent free.
When I discovered he had been sleeping in his car, I offered to move him in and gave him $500 to get utilities turned on and pay the first months bills till he gets unemployment going. I've helped him before and he has always repaid every dime. I told him this was a gift, not a loan. We have been through thick and thin over the years. We gotta help each other thru these hard times!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. You Sir Are A Saint

Thankfully my girlfriend is getting unemployment benefits and I am earning a literal small fraction of what I used to earn. I lost my car, home, and much of my business in The Great Recession. My friend/surrogate father lent me $3,000.00 and his car to get me through. But most folks don't have angels like that in their lives. That's why we need government.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. +1,000!!!!

[aquart]

3. Why not? We've done it before.

What happens next for most is they will be forced onto welfare which will fracture families and bankrupt states. Those that elected Republican governors...well, it'll be interesting.

[quaker bill]

4. I donate to and cook for a shelter

and have been working with the hungry and homeless since Reagan was President. Before Reagan, there did not seem to be quite so many folks camping out in the parks and under the interstates.

In fairness though, I would sign off on an extension if it included sufficient benefits for the poor. The shelters are already pretty full, so the more folks we can keep in their homes, the better.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. As You Know Most Shelters Don't Take Families So You Will Be Ripping Families Apart

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[quaker bill]

8. I am no fan of shelters

they are just a better alternative to the streets. Some shelters here do take families, but there are not enough of any type.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. I oppose republican framing. You should be ashamed.

Yes. Stand firm. Let them blink.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I Would Be Ashamed If I Let Someone Go Hungry When There Was A Means To Feed Him Or Her

I would break every mirror I saw because I couldn't look in it. The shame might literally make me kill myself.

Et tu?

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Then you are ashamed - we have let millions fall off of UC.

This is a sham and you are pimping it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. If I Was In A Position Where I Could Help Those People And I Didn't I Would Be Ashamed

But I'm not,ergo:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9693526

I am not going to let somebody starve out of some political pique. That would make me a monster. It reminds me of the "chicken hawks" who would fight to the last drop of someone else's blood...

[Warren Stupidity]

11. We are being sold this UC emergency and you are falling for it.

Where was the emergency with the 99'ers? Oh never mind that. Why are we giving this away for a one year extension when the general consensus is that we are facing 4-5 years more of high unemployment? What bargaining chips will we have one year from now? Why are we giving this away WITH OFFSETTING CUTS when there are not offsets for the huge deficit bloating tax cuts?

It is a shitty fucked up deal and you are cheering it on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. It's Called "Playing For Time"

As long as we keep those folks alive there's a chance to do something about it but to cut off someones benefits in 26 weeks, as if these are normal times, is absurd.

[elocs]

13. What I find objectionable is people with jobs who have no problem with the jobless biting the bullet

in stopping the tax cuts for everyone.

For those who think that unemployment extensions should be given up to stop the tax cuts for the wealthey, feel free to have the courage of your convictions, but don't demand that those who are just trying to take care of themselves and their families share the nobility of your convictions that require no self sacrifice on your part.

[GoCubsGo]

15. Thank you. n/t

[JonLP24]

20. Just know

that there are people without jobs that oppose this. Are you talking about DU? How do you know who has a job or who doesn't? I think you should focus your objections on millionaire politicians.

[old mark]

16. K&R- YES, I also oppose the Obama administration's stupidity in letting things get to this point.

Does he really expect cooperation or concern for American workers after their performance over the last 2 years? If so, he is a bigger fool than I think he is.

Rec.
mark

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Did you attend a GOP talking points weekend to craf this poll?

Repulsive framing. Typical of the conservative branch of this Party, as well as of the other Party. Puke on the shoes of such framing.
Wrong on every level. You seem to think of those in financial peril as rhetorical devices for you to toss about. Disgusting. Heinous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. This Isn't An "Academic" Exercise To Me

I lost my home, car, most of my friends, and business during the Great Recession. It wasn't for the beneficence of the friends I have left I would be in a homeless shelter or jail. How dare you lecture me. How dare you?

[Bluenorthwest]

22. I don't know you. I am addressing your tactics

How dare I? Like this: the tax code has always, always been deeply discriminatory toward families that do not fit the Rick Warren Brand. Where were you for the last say 30 years of that fight? Every single year for over 20 years, me and my partner are denied the right to file jointly, and the amount of money we have paid that our heterosexual peers do not is staggering.
I have housed more people in my life than you ever will. Period. I do not need to 'post an email' to be of assistance, to share my home and table. That is how I live and always have. You do not know me, and I do not know you.
I do see what you type here, and it is a disgusting tactic, and also deeply inconsistent. There is no need to attack me. I spoke of your tactic here, not of you.
If you have a good argument, make it. But I can see you do not. I am not the only one to object to your framing. Perhaps a rewrite might help hit the mark?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. You Have No Idea Of My Sexual Orientation

And what I have or haven't done for the less fortunate and what I have or haven't done to lessen their burden.

I would literally rather have a cap busted in my ear than rewrite what I wrote.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. And you know nothing of me or my life or finances either

I objected to your tactic. Not to you. Your entire OP was about demanding that others do what you seemed very sure they do not do. A broad brush assumption. That is what the OP is. You assume that others do not help those in need, and that they need you to take their email addy to help them be of help. And yet you speak of assumptions?
What gave you the idea that others need you to instruct as to how to help those in need? Why would you assume that, and take that stance? To post that sort of bait and then shout 'how dare you' when the bait is criticized is ironic as heck.
Myself, I'd support extending your benefits and taxing the fuck out of those I know who own private planes and spend 65K on kid's birthday parties. To me, framing it as either/or is an admission of utter failure. If that is the best we can do, it is just sad.
Your opinion is fine with me, it is the nature of the rhetoric used to present it that I took issue with. Because I do not know you, but I can read what you wrote. And it is a sad day when that is the framing needed to keep UI checks flowing. In my opinion, of course.
It is sad. It is a slippery slope, when we start making the needs of people dependent to the wants of a few huge earners.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Framing Is Fine But At The End Of The Day We Have To Deal With The World As It Is

There is not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that the Republicans will fail to extend unemployment benefits if they do not get their beloved tax cut for their rich buddies. How do I know that? Because they have already done so.

Oh, I already spent part of my partner's unemployment check that we picked up at the post office. We have to go to the post office to get our mail because we lost our home. I shared part of it with a homeless person who had the ubiquitous "I will work for food" sign... Framing isn't going to change his reality. He needs help, more than the few dollars, another broke person can give him...
And if I have to make a Faustian bargain with the Devil himself I will do that...

[Dr Morbius]

19. I oppose it because SOMEONE SHOULD.

Duh!

That said, I'd make the deal because there's no choice. But tying tax cuts for the rich to unemployment benefits is grossly immoral and OF COURSE I oppose it. Always would oppose it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Hannah Bell Framed It Differently

Do you agree to let billionaires keep their tax Without UE extensions, 5 million people are expected have no source of income by April.

Do the sick fucks in DC think they're all going to immediately rush out & get jobs?

No, they're going to move in with relatives or friends (impacting the financial situation of *those* people), they're going to lose their homes (more real estate spiral), they're going to go homeless, and some of them are going to die, and some of their kids are going to die.

That "bargain" demonstrates the utter crookedness, decadence, amorality & complete bankruptcy of the american ruling class.


But at the end of the day the parties end up with the same things.

If a woman had sex with a NAZI guard to stay alive in a concentration camp did she sell her soul or did she do the only thing she could to survive. I would say she did the latter...

[ieoeja]

25. I voted yes, but am not PMing you, because I am already doing it.