First, I don't mind leakers, but I do mind leakers of our shit from people

[xultar]

from another country.

I don't like that shit.

Why is he just releasing our shit? Is it that he could only find one idiot on the planet willing to leak information on their own country to him and that idiot just happened to be from the USA? Fucking Figures.

I don't like Assange. I think he is an asshole. I don't like the guy who gave him the stuff because he is a US citizen and should have had the BALLS to release the shit on his own, from here, not get some ego inflated muthafucking boob from another country.

So I'm going on record, I don't like this wikileaks shit. If it had been a US thing and US citizens leaking our own shit on our own soil...fine but not how it is going on now. In my eyes Assange is a fucking spy and should be treated as such. I don't see him as a hero...plus the fucker is calling for our president and sos to resign? KISS MY BLACK ASSS YOU FUCKER who the fuck are you to ask my president and sos to resign over some shit you leaked. if it had been a us citizen asking them to resign, fine but not his ass. not anyones ass who isn't from here.

[EmilyKent]

1. Many things have been leaked by Assange,

so I don't know why you're only concerned about part of it

And I don't know why you're busy shooting the messenger, instead of paying attention to the message.

[xultar]

6. What's the message, that people on the job talk negatively about other people

they work with?

That the US was spying on he UN? You'd have to be comatose not to know that shit wasn't going on for fucksake.

There was nothing explosive in that shit. there were no fucking messages.

I'm not shooting the messenger, I'm calling him an ego inflated boob. I should have called him a prick too.

[EmilyKent]

7. Then you haven't been paying attention.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Don't always agree with you, but I do on this. Rec for you.

[xultar]

25. Thank you. We dont' always have to agree, just understand. I keep thinking though

why. Why now. AFTER ALL THE SHIT BUSH DID...why the fuck now.

[TwilightGardener]

39. I don't buy the whistleblower motive, simply because so much of this

is not terribly important (I now know that Prince Andrew is an asshole--thanks, Wikileaks, that's very useful). If someone really felt they were leaking something in order to stop a terrible wrongdoing, they wouldn't want their info buried in a ton of gossipy crap. So I question the motive and intent behind all this, behind everyone involved, and I won't label anyone a hero (or an absolute enemy) until I understand the driving impulse behind these leaks. I also don't believe that secrecy is always bad. That's childish. Sometimes it's necessary.

[xultar]

54. I know right? The blond with the bigg boobs? Not important. It is more like gossip.

I found myself not really caring until today.

I think my rant is triggered by PMS to tell you the truth.


ROFL

[laughingliberal]

62. I know, right? Cause that' how the US media is playing it. Funny, how little I've heard about the...

cables showing we knew the illegal nature of the coup in Honduras while our leaders pretended to not be sure.

Of course pushing that meme required most DUers to pointedly ignore this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9694442

Here's your script: "All Wikileaks has put out is a bunch of high level gossip" (place fingers in ears) "LaLaLaLa. I hear nothing about Honduras or Copenhagen. LaLaLaLaLa...."

[charlie]

3. You're mistaken

They've released a lot of stuff that isn't "our shit".

[Catherina]

4. Cuz your shit is getting innocent people killed all over the world.

The guy's a hero, fighting for the rest of the world, against imperialistic terror. I guess you expect the rest of the world to meekly accept being pushed around for your economic comfort. Sad.

[xultar]

9. Seriously? What in those cables is getting people killed. PLUS the reall down and

dirty shit you'll never know..



AND why weren't you this happy about Dick Cheney releasing Plame's name then. Is Dick a hero too?

[Catherina]

22. I'll be plain, I don't care about the well-being of imperial lackeys

The Plame meme is tired Xultar. Dishonest, ineffective and tired.

[girl gone mad]

26. Cheney leaked because the war plans had been be imperiled..

He wanted to make sure he and his pals could make lots of money killing innocent people in Iraq.

[underseasurveyor]

29. oh come on, the two don't even come close to being comparable

You know better than that.
Disappointing:-(

[Skidmore]

12. And Assange's shit won't do the same????

I agree with xultar. I don't mind leakers but this guy is not just a leaker. There is not thing strategic about what he is doing. There also nothing of superior morality to what he is doing. It is indiscriminant.

[xultar]

20. WHY NOW! Why not when Bush was in charge. WHY NOW. BUSH MURDERED...TORTURED...

WHY NOW!

[Catherina]

24. He leaked stuff then too, you just weren't paying attention

He leaks it as he gets it.

There's nothing like snowing people with empty words like hope and change and then having them find out they're working for the same old shit. The anger is even worse when betrayed by someone you believed in.

Assange was given that stuff by very angry, disillusioned people.

[laughingliberal]

69. Yep. He leaked information about torture at Gitmo while Bush was in office. nt

[xultar]

82. Wasn't it our own folks who leaked that shit first? That is what I'd like to see.

[laughingliberal]

87. Then get your butt out there and get it for us.

Nature abhors a vacuum. If there's a dearth of truthful information about what our government is really up to, it needs to be filled. Our 'free press' in this country has become an arm of the oligarchs.

If no Americans want to step up and get us the information to which we are entitled, someone needs to.

People are tired of being treated like mushrooms.

[Luminous Animal]

126. +1!

[Catherina]

21. Right. Assange's shit is going to enslave people

and make them work for miserable wages on plantations or in mines.

Assange's shit is toing to start illegal wars and then store internationally banned weapons on foreign territories where the people outlawed those.

Assange's shit is going to remove democratically elected leaders in Latin America who put their own people's welfare above US corporate profit.

Assange's shit is going to prevent criminals like Bush and Cheney from paying for their crimes.

I'm sorry, I can not agree with either one of you.

[krabigirl]

33. Exactly!

[LittleBlue]

5. He's not just releasing "our shit." That's a media myth.

Most of his leaks don't deal with the USA. He's released stuff on Swiss corporations, South American politicians, Chinese banks, etc.

90% of leaked stuff from Wikileaks has nothing to do with the USA.

[xultar]

13. Well he's trying to bring down Obama and I don't like that shit. Where was he when W

in charge.

That fucker tortured and murdered. WHY NOW!!

[villager]

16. Obama's doing a pretty good job of bringing down Obama, actually...

Sadly enough...

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. The leks started oh four years ago

was Obama President?

And here is more, his objective is NOT to bring down Obama... but to CHANGE a culture.

It is millenarian in a way, and won't happen... but go over and read his mission statement. This is not about Obama... it could be about the green little martian if Martians existed and were engaging in this.

[krabigirl]

37. He was doing the same thing then.

Funny how people are not mad, though, that Obama is doing the same/worse things as Bush was.

[JonLP24]

49. He's released plenty of stuff from the Bush era

Why now? I think he probably releases stuff as he gets it.

[Mimosa]

59. You weren't paying attention in 2007, I guess.

That's when I heard of Wikileaks.

http://vincentandmorticiasspeakeasy14846.yuku.com/topic/988/t/SOP-at-Gitmo-Manual-for-handling-prisoners-leaked.html?page=1

[laughingliberal]

70. Yeah. Funny how all our informed and concerned members here had no idea. nt

[xultar]

99. The stuff was total bullshit. Who didn't think there were abuses there? Bush was president

We had pictures of what they were doing to the folks in Iraq we knew they'd be fucking with them there.

HEll we even tortured the Branch Dividian folks with Black Sabbath music and bright lights. If we'd do it here of course we'd do it in Gitmo.

NON NEWS.

[shanti]

8. the truth shall set you free!

i don't care whose side it's from either! julian assange is a hero, imo!

[golddigger]

10. "LEAVE THE USA ALONE." WHAAA!!!

[krabigirl]

34. Lol +1

[laughingliberal]

71. Lol +2

[leftstreet]

11. When Barbados has 700+ military bases worldwide, we'll probably get more leaks

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. BP is NOT American you know and it is in the

list of ahem targets.

Also, when you are THE EMPIRE, you become THE TARGET!

Just saying...

Hey not that the US Press cares much about these things, and they are going out of their way to keep the Sheep as uninformed as ever... which I am sure is surprising even Asange. Me, we DO HAVE an iron wall of information... and Americans are an ignorant people and damn fucking proud of it, you betcha!!!! Who's playing in Monday Night Football? Now leak the play book you might have a real effect with the American people.

Abroad, there has been a reaction, but mostly confirmation of what people suspected a while ago.

[MadHound]

15. So let me get this straight, you don't mind that it was American shit that was leaked,

You're simply pissed off that it wasn't a 'Murican who did it.

Geez:eyes:

[xultar]

30. yup

[underseasurveyor]

36. who leaked it to Assange?

An American did.

[xultar]

43. Why didn't he leak it himself. send it to the NY times himself? that's what i

would have done.

we should do our own dirty work...leak our own shit...clean our own mess

[underseasurveyor]

89. why does it matter who leaked it?

Perhaps Assange was in a safer place with better resources to get this info out. How far do you think this would have gotten had the American pfc tried himself? Probably no where and where would this pfc be now? Obviously this AMERICAN pfc felt strongly enough that this was too important and far beyond his ability to succeed.
Why do you discount the pfc's efforts? He's put himself on the line and in danger.

[Luminous Animal]

123. THe NY Times withheld a story about NSA domestic spying for a year. Releasing it

AFTER Bush was reelected.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121601716.html

They are currently consulting with the State Dept. and withholding some of the cables that are being published around the globe.

[Schema Thing]

18. You shouldn't care.

you just happened to be born here and raised here.

[Vickers]

19. Uh-MARE-rih-kuh...FUCK YEAH!!!!! n/t

[mudplanet]

23. It WAS leaked by an American. Assange and wikileaks just happen to be

one of the publishers.

In general, Americans lack the testicular fortitude to do the right thing.

[fatbuckel]

27. Reality check. This is`nt dishing dirt `cuz you`re mad at your ex-girlfriend.

"According to the AP (through Google News), WikiLeaks isn't just sitting on the recent material so they can release it bit by bit to the press, as many people implied. On the contrary, it's quite the other way around: 'only after considering advice from five news organizations with which it chose to share all of the material' are they releasing it themselves. These newspapers 'have been advising WikiLeaks on which documents to release publicly and what redactions to make to those documents.' AP questions whether WikiLeaks will follow these redactions, but nevertheless seems quite impressed by this 'extraordinary collaboration between some of the world's most respected media outlets and the WikiLeaks organization.'"

So you better get mad at a lot of peoples asses.

[Karenina]

28. Amurikkka is fatally corrupt.

Sunlight is the BEST disinfectant. Have you bought 1 silver coin? ;-)

[xultar]

31. I'm not doubting that we are corrupt. Of course we are! I believe we need leakers

I want us to do our own dirty work.

It is our mess, we should clean it up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Private First Class Manning IS American

[Tuesday Afternoon]

44. +1

I wonder how safe he is.

[xultar]

47. Why didn't he mail it to the ny times himself? That is what I'm asking.

He could have given it to Rachel or Keith, Tom hartmann, mike malloy!

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. because this gets distribution in the times

and foreign media, and the modern day NYT would NOT have taken it. Is this that complex? It is NOt 1970...

[Oilwellian]

125. Why should he have faith in our media?

Look at what the NYT (Iraq war cheerleaders) did with the information they received from Wikileaks on Iran. The cables indicated Iran may have a particular type of missile that was dangerous to Europe and Israel, yet didn't mention the cables from Russia questioning whether the missiles really existed. The NYT has consistently worked with our government to instill fear in the American people. How can you possibly believe the American media would do the right thing and report TRUTH to the American people? I will use your own question on this thread where you ask why Assange is releasing this information now, and not during the Bush administration. Well, he was releasing information during the Bush administration and what did the American media do with it? The fact that you didn't even know Wikileaks was releasing information during the Bush administration should be a clue to you regarding today's American media.

IMHO, Assange is a hero to the world and history will regard him as such. May I suggest you read Wikileak's "About" page:

WikiLeaks is a not-for-profit media organisation. Our goal is to bring important news and information to the public. We provide an innovative, secure and anonymous way for sources to leak information to our journalists (our electronic drop box). One of our most important activities is to publish original source material alongside our news stories so readers and historians alike can see evidence of the truth. We are a young organisation that has grown very quickly, relying on a network of dedicated volunteers around the globe. Since 2007, when the organisation was officially launched, WikiLeaks has worked to report on and publish important information. We also develop and adapt technologies to support these activities.

WikiLeaks has sustained and triumphed against legal and political attacks designed to silence our publishing organisation, our journalists and our anonymous sources. The broader principles on which our work is based are the defence of freedom of speech and media publishing, the improvement of our common historical record and the support of the rights of all people to create new history. We derive these principles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In particular, Article 19 inspires the work of our journalists and other volunteers. It states that everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. We agree, and we seek to uphold this and the other Articles of the Declaration.

http://213.251.145.96/about.html

[enlightenment]

40. So, if an American published this information it would be

okay that he/she was 'trying to take Obama down'?

Somehow I don't think you'd be happy regardless of who published the information. You're provoked because some of the information makes it clear that not all the bad stuff happened under Bush's watch.

Your argument is disingenuous, at best.

[xultar]

50. sure. it would be fine. I wouldn't like it. HELL the Republicans are trying to take him downl..

at least those fuckers are from here...

they may not be controlled from here but they are from here.

I'm fine with leaks. I don't care really...personally, I think we should clean up our own messes.

Why aren't we protesting to tell our own government to come clean?

[Karenina]

61. That AIN'T HAPPENIN' my dearest girlfriend. And it WON'T

You know I love you and am commenting from afar.

The inculcated Ami mythology precludes it. Just look around and check the attitudes toward the "suspect" Manning. Institutions' PRIME DIRECTIVE is to perpetuate their power and as W.E.B.DuBois said, POWER CONCEDES NOTHING without a struggle.
Amis have some distorted idea that their interests lie within those of the Cowboy Capitalists. I remember readinf some years ago on this board that 19% of Americans believe they are in the top 1% of earners. Don't EVEN get me started. DUMMHEIT PUR!

Therefore, I support ANY action that pulls back the curtain revealing the brick wall. (See: Wizard of Oz and Frank Zappa) It is WE who are running headlong into it.

I welcome the storm! YES INDEED, We the People CAN force the hand of the self-serving manipulators. They will attempt to fuck us over whether we do or don't. Whether they succeed unopposed may depend on whether we DO or don't. Where we're at is NOT sustainable. Propping it up only forestalls the inevitable.

This li'l o' black lady sashayed into her bank today to buy her a coupla silver coins in support of Max Keiser's campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCM7rMIqxmk

When I asked for a spot silver quote, after they'd jerked me around, hilarity ensued!

[krabigirl]

32. Well, did you see the video from the Iraq war logs? Sorry but that stuff needs to be released.

Also, i find it strange that you don't mind that the president that you love so much has renewed the patriot act, increased warrantless spying, ramped up the tsa/DHS as well as escalating the war in afghanistan.

[xultar]

41. Did i say that I wasn't for leaking? Did you read what I said?

[CBGLuthier]

35. zenophobic

[xultar]

42. Possibly. I'm not even patriotic. I do think we should clean up our own messes.

leak our own shit.

I'm all for that.

[JonLP24]

45. He doesn't only release US stuff

[spanone]

46. manning leaked it, assange published it...along with the nytimes and many other sources

[pipi_k]

48. I think others don't see your point...

For me, it's comparable to someone in your family broadcasting family secrets to the world as opposed to someone NOT in the family doing the same thing...

i.e. If my sister wants to tell people about something that's going on in the family, I may not like it all that much, but it's not nearly as obnoxious as a nosy neighbor doing the same thing after my sister tells her stuff.

[xultar]

51. Exactly. Why don't they understand that. I'll turn my brother in to the cops...not you.

I'll call my mom a hoochie...but not you.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't do the right thing...I'm saying we need to take ownership of our own and clean up our own. protest....call our own government into account and make it responsible.

I feel like i walked in to a den of knee jerker circle shooters.

[JonLP24]

53. On another note

It is said that website is created by people from all over the world, including the US. Understandably they don't release the names. The only person we know is the main spokesman.

[xultar]

60. I just don't think he should be the clearing house for publishing secrets

from around the world.

one person?

It needs to be individuals from within those countries releasing their own country's stuff.

It will make things less difficult to control and not make oneperson the focus.

IT is a lot harder catching a loose network of leakers than it is one ego maniac who isn't bad looking.

[JonLP24]

64. If he closes down Wikileaks...

who will step up to the plate?

I agree that we should but also help out other countries that have governments that try to suppress this kind of information. I've only known of Wikileaks. We don't find out shit here in the US til much, much later until Wikileaks came along. Though I don't think anyone here in the US would risk it. Justice Department wants to look into charges for Wikileaks, politicians called for Assange to be executed. It is probably safer to release stuff outside the US as long as you're outside the US. Though the CIA scares me no matter where I am in the world.

[laughingliberal]

76. Perhaps you'd like to volunteer.

BTW, Assange is not the sum total of Wikileaks. There are many working there. He's just the public face.

[xultar]

94. If I had shit to leak and it was important that the country know I would leak it.

If I saw soldiers doing shit in Iraq shooting civilians I'd leak that shit like a sieve. Is that how u spell it?

We are only as good as the least of us. I wouldn't want soldiers killing innocents in a war and not be punished. killing innocents, torturing all that shit is wrong.

[Mimosa]

55. 2007 Wikileaks released info re: abuses of GITMO prisoners

First I'd heard of Wikileaks was on another board in 2007 when a member posted info about prisoner abuses at Gitmo:

http://vincentandmorticiasspeakeasy14846.yuku.com/topic/988/t/SOP-at-Gitmo-Manual-for-handling-prisoners-leaked.html?page=1


George W. Bush was then President, right?

[laughingliberal]

58. +1 nt

[xultar]

98. Who didn't think abuses were going on @ Gitmo? Non News.

[Catherina]

101. Between *think* and *proof*, it's a long way. He gave us important proof. n/t

[laughingliberal]

56. Right!!! Cause the US NEVER does anything to affect or hurt other countries!

USA! USA! USA!

[PeaceNikki]

57. I will go on record as agreeing with you.

:thumbsup:

[xultar]

65. I thank you for understanding my pointl.

[PeaceNikki]

68. I've been on the fence about this whole Wikileaks thing

and I appreciate hearing all sides of this discussion. There's a fine line between exposing abuses and being the Perez Hilton of US Politics. It'll happen whether I scream for or against it. I would really hate to see diplomatic relations hurt, harm done that could escalate tensions in NK/SK, all for the sake of juicy gossip about the royals.

This is an interesting topic that I've been completely agnostic about and I can definitely buy into both arguments: full transparency vs potential harm to diplomatic relations. So I've remained blissfully on the fence and am taking n every point made with an open mind. There are few topics in politics on which I am able to take that stance and remain interested. So I will enjoy it for the moment.

However, the ego, drama and hero worship surrounding Julian has pushed me on the side of "just release it all or STFU". And I am also factoring in your point. So - thanks! :)


ETA: Oh, also - the fact that he's called for Obama and Clinton's resignation makes me want to smack him upside his ginormous dumb head. Fuck off, Aussie. I don't even care if they ASKED you.

[Lucinda]

80. He has said when he released in bulk, it overloaded people and things were overlooked

So now its done in batches.

[xultar]

81. EXACTLY, the EGO and Drama displayed by Assange makes me furios...THEN ASKING FOR RESIGNATIONS!

He can kiss my black ass on that shit.

FUCK YOU. If anyone is going ask for a resignation it will be one of us, not some ego driven playboy who has nice hair.

Fuck you Julian.

The leakers shouldn't be the message. The message should be the fucking message.

[Violet_Crumble]

113. Yr only point seems to be incredibly xenophobic..

And who apart from you gives a toss what colour yr arse is? I care even less about that than I care what nationality the spokesman for Wikileaks is. Here's a fact for you, xultar. Yr country has been responsible for so much death and destruction globally that we have every right to speak out against it any way we can. Apart from that, you are totally incorrect believing that Wikileaks didn't leak information back in the days of Bush. And as with the nationality of the leaker, whether it's a Republican or Democrat president is totally irrelevent when it comes to agreeing with Wikileaks or not...

[Luminous Animal]

121. El Pais explains why it is not being dumped all at once.

Here is a description of the process from El Pais (sorry for the poor Google translation).

"A daunting task

The material to be reviewed requires a daunting task. Cables are 250,000, , many of them lengthy reports that must pass the filter of a newspaper edition in order not to endanger human life. The information is stored in plain text CSV (comma-separated English values), a lot of files stored in rows separated by commas that make the text more closely resemble an Excel file with tables, a text legible. It is essential the work of the technicians who make them analyzable documents for journalists.

With the material chosen Wikileaks newspapers to publish. No financial transactions of any kind. The media report the White House that the information is in their power and expect the objections put Obama administration if it considers that in some cases put at risk the lives of people. Where appropriate, take into account their recommendations. In most cases, are ignored."

[Dappleganger]

63. I think a lot more sunshine is needed

on many, many things which our government and big business does behind closed doors. We've had too much secrecy which is hurting this planet and the poor/working class.

[laughingliberal]

67. +1,000,000 nt

[xultar]

72. I'm not saying sunshine isn't needed. I'm saying we should do it and publish it

ourselves.

[JonLP24]

74. Let's do it.

How do we get started?

[xultar]

78. Well we need to contact people who may have access and convince them

that it is the right thing to do.

Contact anyone in the military...or put out something and let them come to us.

then we ask them to give the information to 50 to 100 unconnected people

and have one release it. If something happens to them then we get the second person of the 50 to release it.

and we keep going down the line.

Releasing it means sending it to a tv, radio, newspaper, college newspaper

internet, mass email, billboards, overpass sheets.

hand out flyers.

the 50 to 100 people can choose their own method of release

that would keep them guessing about where, how, and who.

[JonLP24]

84. I think there is some good advice

From reading, what helped the Pentagon Papers was it was freely released to NYT. Where it becomes illegal is if a news organization is actively trying to get these files. That is where one of your suggestions could be illegal--talk to people connected in the military to do the right thing. What needs to happen is whoever, on their on free will, needs to deliver the information without whoever knowing about it beforehand.

[xultar]

92. True. I wonder how that private doode heard of Assange.

[Luminous Animal]

124. Same way you have.

By the way, the info isn't released to Assange. It is uploaded to Wikileaks.

[JonLP24]

73. Chomsky makes some very good points here

Read the transcript below the video if you prefer.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/30/noam_chomsky_wikileaks_cables_reveal_profound

He doesn't really talk about Wikileaks but mentions how the US is really a threat in a certain part of the world. This concerns me very much but I added this to expand on your point about "hurting this planet".

[earth mom]

66. Be honest-You don't like him because he makes Obama look bad. nt

[xultar]

77. I am not even an Obama fan. I didn't even care really. Nor about the state department shit.

I don't think it makes Obama and Hillary look bad.

Hell you are an idiot if you didn't think we were spying @ the UN or calling leaders names.

That is just office gossip.

To me Obama and Hillary are basically fraternal twins, they are about the same.

I don't doubt Obama is allowing torture to occur nor do doubt hillary would do it any differently.

I don't mind leakers. I wish it would have been done by us and released by someone here.

[Cleita]

75. Our media used to do this.

Our media exposed Richard Nixon and other political scandals in those years. They don't do it anymore so someone has to. The American who leaked the information to Assange is in prison, so you can see it's not safe for any American to do so anymore.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. And the paper went all the way to the USSC

which these days it would find all but a friendly hearing.

empires in decline are all kinds of fun.

[JackRiddler]

83. It's not "our shit" if we don't even know what it is. It's THEIR shit. Work on your pronouns.

Furthermore, statements like "Why is he just releasing our shit? Is it that he could only find one idiot on the planet willing to leak information on their own country to him and that idiot just happened to be from the USA?" show that, to put it in the terms you seem to prefer, you don't know shit and you haven't read shit.

[Metric System]

85. Thank you Xultar. ITA.

[fatbuckel]

86. So it`s OK for this tool to do it?

Warrant: NC sailor looked to sell military secrets


Warrant says sailor at Fort Bragg wanted to sell military secrets to foreign government


AP News

Dec 06, 2010 14:32 EST

A search warrant says a U.S. Navy sailor stationed at Fort Bragg sold classified documents to someone he thought worked for a foreign government.

The warrant, unsealed Friday in federal court, says 22-year-old Navy Reserve Intelligence Specialist 3rd Class Bryan Minkyu Martin of Mexico, N.Y., accepted $3,500 from an undercover FBI agent.

According to the warrant, Martin gave the agent dozens of pages of documents that were either secret or top secret. The case was first reported by The Fayetteville Observer.

Martin has not been charged. He's being held in Norfolk, Va.

Paul O'Donnell, a spokesman for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, says the agency does not believe Martin was able to pass any classified information to foreign agents.

Source: AP News

[xultar]

95. DUH! Did you read my fucking post. Lealked here. Released here.

selling to a foreign gov...IS NOT LEAKING HERE!

WTF? REALLY?

[Catherina]

103. Nobody sold anything to a foreign government. n/t

[WinkyDink]

88. Some people in other countries don't like our invasions, either.

[6000eliot]

90. I don't like nationalism.

[xultar]

93. I don't see myself as a nationalist nor am I patriotic. But if you think so I won't argue.

[ProudDad]

91. Meaningless Flame bait... (n/t)

[PeaceNikki]

96. Oh no it's not. It's a topic very worthy of discussion. Just because you don't like it doesn't make

it "flame bait".

[ProudDad]

106. WikiLeaks turns the 'conspiracy' against itself

Edumacate your bad, bad self...

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/WikiLeaks+turns+conspiracy+against+itself/3928284/story.html

[PeaceNikki]

109. So... if someone doesn't agree with you they aren't "educated"!?

Fuck off

[xultar]

110. That is the DU thing. You're stupid if you don't agree with me cuz I'm awesome don'tcha know.

[PeaceNikki]

112. Well... *you* are awesome.

That's a well-established/known fact.

:D

[xultar]

116. Thanks PeaceNikki. You have made a bad day a little brighter!!!

You my dear area doll. I love having you on DU. Brings some class to the joint!

[ProudDad]

119. What a quaintly jejune post

:rofl:

[ProudDad]

118. Nope, just ignorant of the facts

That's a temporary condition that you can easily remedy by edumacating your bad, bad self...

[LAGC]

97. Here's another big, fat Unrec for you.

If you seriously think any U.S. operation could have gotten away with anywhere near the scale of releases that WikiLeaks has accomplished, you'd deluded.

Only an organization located abroad such as WikiLeaks can be setting themselves up as as international clearinghouse for ALL nations' future secrets leaked.

What we've seen so far is just the very tip of the iceberg.

[xultar]

100. First. Thanks for the unrec. Second, it doesn't need to be as big as wikileaks

just individuals

thats all.

no big production.

individuals doing what is right. no hero worship necessary.

[LAGC]

104. It's much more convenient to have a one-stop anonymous drop, a clearing house for secrets.

I mean, dealing with the press is hit or miss. But with WikiLeaks, you know you have an advocate, someone going to bat for you, willing to put it all on the line to make sure your leak sees the light of day. I think WikiLeaks serves an important role in this regard, and in this age of government/corporate secrecy, we could use a hero right now... someone to rally around, as it gives a face to the organization, and makes others more likely to come forward with secret info.

[Mimosa]

108. Xultar, the CIA has been recruiting journalism majors for 50 years

Google 'Operation Mockingbird':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Much of the time the 'press' has been in collusion with government, more so in the past 25 years.

[xultar]

111. They've also been recruiting plumbers, electricians, pilots, drama majors.

[asdjrocky]

102. Classic. nt

[Xenotime]

105. Where was all these leaks when Bush was in office?!?!

We could have EASILY called for impeachment.

[Luminous Animal]

122. You should ask your fellow Americans that. Wikileaks can only publish what is leaked to them.

[Name removed]

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[Angry Dragon]

114. To have Assange leak these files makes perfect sense

This country has become the out-sourcing capital of the world.
So to have a foreigner do the job is the new American way...............

:hide: :patriot:

[Glassunion]

115. Ha +1

[xultar]

117. Best post in this entire thread! We don't clean up our own messes.

We make others do it for us.

sad
sad
sad shit.

[DirkGently]

120. If not him, who? An American who would instantly be silenced and imprisoned? If not this way, how?

Asking the government nicely to tell the truth? How's that been working?

Sorry, but I cannot agree Assange is a bad guy for facilitating the airing of American dirty laundry -- as well as that of others -- simply on the basis that he's not "one of us." We have an abscess that needs to be lanced and drained. The "new" administration has clearly stated that it's not only not interested in performing the surgery, but will actively prevent anyone else from trying it.

The "proper" instrument for the job -- the American press -- has abdicated its role, trading in its sharp tools for a seat on the sidelines and effortless access to easy quotes and handfeeding by motivated insiders.

Someone HAS to do this, and apparently, no one inside in the U.S. is willing or able. We can't afford to complain the guy doing it has the wrong accent or the wrong address, or embarrassed some people's favorite Democrats along the way.